glock 18c
 

On 12/18/14 11:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/18/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?


One of the pistols I had or have (maybe it's the Walther?) has a safety
but they call it a "decocker". I *think* you are supposed to be able
to decock it without firing a round that may be loaded but I've never
trusted it to try it. May not be the Walther. I can't remember.



I seem to prefer sidearms with visible hammers and traditional safeties.
I wouldn't be adverse to another striker-fired pistol, but the only one
I've seen lately that appeals is that Walther PPQ M2. Great trigger,
even though it is double action only.

glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:35:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/18/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?


One of the pistols I had or have (maybe it's the Walther?) has a safety
but they call it a "decocker". I *think* you are supposed to be able
to decock it without firing a round that may be loaded but I've never
trusted it to try it. May not be the Walther. I can't remember.

The Sig decocker allows the hammer to come forward, but not enough to
engage the firing pin. Then the pistol becomes a DA. I've tried it at
the range several times. Works like a charm.

glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:41:40 -0500, Toad Gigger
wrote:

The Sig decocker allows the hammer to come forward, but not enough to
engage the firing pin. Then the pistol becomes a DA. I've tried it at
the range several times. Works like a charm.

===

It would concern me unless I was at a range. In my mind there are
just too many things that could go wrong if there is a live round in
the chamber.

glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

glock 18c
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed.

glock 18c
 

On 12/18/14 2:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed.



Another reason to prefer an actual safety to a decocker. When the safety
is on, it doesn't matter if there is a round in the chamber...you can't
pull the trigger and make the firearm discharge.

glock 18c
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/18/14 2:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed.



Another reason to prefer an actual safety to a decocker. When the safety
is on, it doesn't matter if there is a round in the chamber...you can't
pull the trigger and make the firearm discharge.

It was a 6 shooter with the hammer on an empty chamber. Trigger was
pulled.

glock 18c
 

On 12/18/14 3:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/18/14 2:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

Can ruin a door jam also. Relative did that deed.



Another reason to prefer an actual safety to a decocker. When the safety
is on, it doesn't matter if there is a round in the chamber...you can't
pull the trigger and make the firearm discharge.

It was a 6 shooter with the hammer on an empty chamber. Trigger was
pulled.



That'll do it! :)

glock 18c
 

On 12/18/2014 11:41 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:35:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/18/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?


One of the pistols I had or have (maybe it's the Walther?) has a safety
but they call it a "decocker". I *think* you are supposed to be able
to decock it without firing a round that may be loaded but I've never
trusted it to try it. May not be the Walther. I can't remember.

The Sig decocker allows the hammer to come forward, but not enough to
engage the firing pin. Then the pistol becomes a DA. I've tried it at
the range several times. Works like a charm.



I have a Sig 2XX (something). I'll have to check how the safety works
on it.

glock 18c
 

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:55:58 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:36:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:39:18 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:30:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/17/14 8:25 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/16/14 10:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
New gun for Harry. Shoot up a few thousand rounds quickly
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L_D9weITWDI


Please tell us, Bilious, why *this* would be a new "gun for Harry"?

I've posted here a number of times that:

1. I don't much like fully auto firearms
2. I don't like striker-fired pistols
3. I don't like polymer pistols
4. I don't like semi-auto pistols without a traditional safety

The first pistol I bought many years ago was a semi-auto Glock, and
while I had no issues with it, I got rid of it about a year later and
bought another 9 mm pistol, an all-steel one, with an ambi safety.






I should amend this... I did get to fire and I do like the relatively
new Walther PPQ M2, a 9 mm striker-fired pistol with a terrific trigger
right out of the box, much better than the Glocks I have fired. No
traditional safety, partly polymer, but still a really nice sidearm.
Wouldn't mind owning one.

Which part bothers you, the fact that it is striker fired or that it
is DAO?

Actually it is fairly common that DAO SAs don't have a safety. It is
the same theory as why revolvers don't have safeties.
My Ruger doesn't either. You simply decock it when you are not
actively shooting.
That is part of my regular drill, starting at retention, finger on the
slide, firing 2 quick rounds and returning to retention, finger on the
slide, while decocking. I have just built the muscle memory so it is
instinctive.

===

You decock the hammer with a round in the chamber?

What if?

These newer DAs have a decock lever, where the safety would be. It
blocks the firing pin and drops the hammer. It is scary the first time
you do it tho. ;-)

===

Yes, but what if... ?

I'd want to have some really safe place to point the gun while doing
that. An accidental discharge can really ruin your entire day.

That's why God made the ground!