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On 12/13/2014 12:11 PM, Keyser SÃ¶ze wrote:
On 12/13/14 12:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2014 11:52 AM, Keyser SÃ¶ze wrote:
On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser SÃ¶ze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser SÃ¶ze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars.
Right?

And 2 that weren't called wars.

Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea?

I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th
century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is
the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by
formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh?

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars,
including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its
geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a
buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of
what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway.

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.

Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were
Democrats, right?

Your perspectives on history lack...perspective.

Come on Harry. Have you forgotten about Saddam invading Kuwait and the
34 nations who joined with the US to boot him out?

As for war planning, the Pentagon (under any president) is constantly
developing "what if" scenarios for virtually any conflict or contingency.

Greg posited that *all* the wars in which we engaged in the 20th Century
were entered when Democratic presidents were in office. My counterposit
was that Greg was incorrect, and I offered an example.

The cause of that first Gulf War is not relevant to either Greg's claim
or my counterclaim. And of course your second point about planning is
correct.

Retrospective analysis of complex actions like wars usually requires
looking beyond simple reasons. Trying to attribute them to the party of
the party in the White House is simple minded.

Actually, Greg is correct. Technically Korea, Vietnam, "Operation
Desert Storm " (and all others since WWII) were not "declared wars".
Only two wars declared by Congress in the 20th Century have occurred;
WWI under a Democrat (Wilson) and WWII under a Democrat (Roosevelt).

All in all, Congress has declared war 11 times.

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