On 11/24/2014 8:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/24/14 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Watching the various media networks hyping up the potential
demonstrations when the Grand Jury decision is announced about a half
hour from now.

Watch them come back with a 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charge.

All the wind will be taken out of the network sails.



I dunno. It's not easy to indict a cop in a killing, especially of a
minority kid.



Politics may play a role.

I don't know what to think. None of us have all the evidence and data.
I admit that I can't ignore the fact that shortly before he encountered
Wilson the "Gentle Giant" was recorded in a convenience store stealing a
box of cigars and manhandling the proprietor.

Apparently pot was found in his system in the autopsies. Cigars laced
with PCP are documented as producing a feeling of invincibility in some
people.

Not a judgement. It's just that I don't think he was the fine,
outstanding citizen he's been made out to be.

There's also the altercation in the patrol car that has been
acknowledged by all, including Brown's defenders.

Bottom line is that I think this event has taken on two different
agendas. The first is the event itself and was Wilson to blame.

The other is the issue of minorities being singled out and stereotyped
by the police. The demonstrations so far center on this.

Many have complained that a predominantly black neighborhood has a
police department made up of mostly whites. I've heard some say that
they should have mostly black officers in these neighborhoods.

So what direction are we headed? In some ways it seems it's back to
racial segregation like back in the 40's and 50's.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/24/2014 8:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/24/14 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Watching the various media networks hyping up the potential
demonstrations when the Grand Jury decision is announced about a half
hour from now.

Watch them come back with a 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charge.

All the wind will be taken out of the network sails.



I dunno. It's not easy to indict a cop in a killing, especially of a
minority kid.



Politics may play a role.

I don't know what to think. None of us have all the evidence and data.
I admit that I can't ignore the fact that shortly before he encountered
Wilson the "Gentle Giant" was recorded in a convenience store stealing a
box of cigars and manhandling the proprietor.

Apparently pot was found in his system in the autopsies. Cigars laced
with PCP are documented as producing a feeling of invincibility in some people.

Not a judgement. It's just that I don't think he was the fine,
outstanding citizen he's been made out to be.

There's also the altercation in the patrol car that has been acknowledged
by all, including Brown's defenders.

Bottom line is that I think this event has taken on two different
agendas. The first is the event itself and was Wilson to blame.

The other is the issue of minorities being singled out and stereotyped by
the police. The demonstrations so far center on this.

Many have complained that a predominantly black neighborhood has a police
department made up of mostly whites. I've heard some say that they
should have mostly black officers in these neighborhoods.

So what direction are we headed? In some ways it seems it's back to
racial segregation like back in the 40's and 50's.

My friends in the Kansas City area tell me that Missouri has moved
backwards and to the far right in the last two decades. I assume that
includes racially.

There have been many incidents nationally of white cops brutalizing and
murdering minorities all out of proportion to any alleged crimes.
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On 11/24/2014 8:55 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/24/2014 8:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/24/14 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Watching the various media networks hyping up the potential
demonstrations when the Grand Jury decision is announced about a half
hour from now.

Watch them come back with a 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charge.

All the wind will be taken out of the network sails.



I dunno. It's not easy to indict a cop in a killing, especially of a
minority kid.



Politics may play a role.

I don't know what to think. None of us have all the evidence and data.
I admit that I can't ignore the fact that shortly before he encountered
Wilson the "Gentle Giant" was recorded in a convenience store stealing a
box of cigars and manhandling the proprietor.

Apparently pot was found in his system in the autopsies. Cigars laced
with PCP are documented as producing a feeling of invincibility in some people.

Not a judgement. It's just that I don't think he was the fine,
outstanding citizen he's been made out to be.

There's also the altercation in the patrol car that has been acknowledged
by all, including Brown's defenders.

Bottom line is that I think this event has taken on two different
agendas. The first is the event itself and was Wilson to blame.

The other is the issue of minorities being singled out and stereotyped by
the police. The demonstrations so far center on this.

Many have complained that a predominantly black neighborhood has a police
department made up of mostly whites. I've heard some say that they
should have mostly black officers in these neighborhoods.

So what direction are we headed? In some ways it seems it's back to
racial segregation like back in the 40's and 50's.

My friends in the Kansas City area tell me that Missouri has moved
backwards and to the far right in the last two decades. I assume that
includes racially.

There have been many incidents nationally of white cops brutalizing and
murdering minorities all out of proportion to any alleged crimes.



Did you happen to catch "Meet the Press" yesterday?

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was debating this subject with
Georgetown professor Michael Dyson. Got very heated.

At one point Giuliani said to Dyson (who is black), “White police
officers wouldn’t be there if you weren’t killing each other.� and,
"Why don't you cut it down so that so many white police officers don't
have to be in black areas?�

Dyson fired back, “When I become mayor, I’ll do that� and then called
Giuliani a "White Supremacist"

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:16:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/24/2014 8:55 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/24/2014 8:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/24/14 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Watching the various media networks hyping up the potential
demonstrations when the Grand Jury decision is announced about a half
hour from now.

Watch them come back with a 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charge.

All the wind will be taken out of the network sails.



I dunno. It's not easy to indict a cop in a killing, especially of a
minority kid.



Politics may play a role.

I don't know what to think. None of us have all the evidence and data.
I admit that I can't ignore the fact that shortly before he encountered
Wilson the "Gentle Giant" was recorded in a convenience store stealing a
box of cigars and manhandling the proprietor.

Apparently pot was found in his system in the autopsies. Cigars laced
with PCP are documented as producing a feeling of invincibility in some people.

Not a judgement. It's just that I don't think he was the fine,
outstanding citizen he's been made out to be.

There's also the altercation in the patrol car that has been acknowledged
by all, including Brown's defenders.

Bottom line is that I think this event has taken on two different
agendas. The first is the event itself and was Wilson to blame.

The other is the issue of minorities being singled out and stereotyped by
the police. The demonstrations so far center on this.

Many have complained that a predominantly black neighborhood has a police
department made up of mostly whites. I've heard some say that they
should have mostly black officers in these neighborhoods.

So what direction are we headed? In some ways it seems it's back to
racial segregation like back in the 40's and 50's.

My friends in the Kansas City area tell me that Missouri has moved
backwards and to the far right in the last two decades. I assume that
includes racially.

There have been many incidents nationally of white cops brutalizing and
murdering minorities all out of proportion to any alleged crimes.



Did you happen to catch "Meet the Press" yesterday?

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was debating this subject with
Georgetown professor Michael Dyson. Got very heated.

At one point Giuliani said to Dyson (who is black), “White police
officers wouldn’t be there if you weren’t killing each other.” and,
"Why don't you cut it down so that so many white police officers don't
have to be in black areas?”

Dyson fired back, “When I become mayor, I’ll do that” and then called
Giuliani a "White Supremacist"

That's just Giuliani's 'ingrained racism' coming to the fore. You
should know that anyone who suggests that blacks in the inner cities
may be contributing to their own problems is an 'ingrained racist'.

On 11/25/2014 9:03 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:16:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/24/2014 8:55 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/24/2014 8:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/24/14 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Watching the various media networks hyping up the potential
demonstrations when the Grand Jury decision is announced about a half
hour from now.

Watch them come back with a 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charge.

All the wind will be taken out of the network sails.



I dunno. It's not easy to indict a cop in a killing, especially of a
minority kid.



Politics may play a role.

I don't know what to think. None of us have all the evidence and data.
I admit that I can't ignore the fact that shortly before he encountered
Wilson the "Gentle Giant" was recorded in a convenience store stealing a
box of cigars and manhandling the proprietor.

Apparently pot was found in his system in the autopsies. Cigars laced
with PCP are documented as producing a feeling of invincibility in some people.

Not a judgement. It's just that I don't think he was the fine,
outstanding citizen he's been made out to be.

There's also the altercation in the patrol car that has been acknowledged
by all, including Brown's defenders.

Bottom line is that I think this event has taken on two different
agendas. The first is the event itself and was Wilson to blame.

The other is the issue of minorities being singled out and stereotyped by
the police. The demonstrations so far center on this.

Many have complained that a predominantly black neighborhood has a police
department made up of mostly whites. I've heard some say that they
should have mostly black officers in these neighborhoods.

So what direction are we headed? In some ways it seems it's back to
racial segregation like back in the 40's and 50's.

My friends in the Kansas City area tell me that Missouri has moved
backwards and to the far right in the last two decades. I assume that
includes racially.

There have been many incidents nationally of white cops brutalizing and
murdering minorities all out of proportion to any alleged crimes.



Did you happen to catch "Meet the Press" yesterday?

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was debating this subject with
Georgetown professor Michael Dyson. Got very heated.

At one point Giuliani said to Dyson (who is black), “White police
officers wouldn’t be there if you weren’t killing each other.” and,
"Why don't you cut it down so that so many white police officers don't
have to be in black areas?”

Dyson fired back, “When I become mayor, I’ll do that” and then called
Giuliani a "White Supremacist"

That's just Giuliani's 'ingrained racism' coming to the fore. You
should know that anyone who suggests that blacks in the inner cities
may be contributing to their own problems is an 'ingrained racist'.



That phrase really got to you, huh? Why?

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:28:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/25/2014 9:03 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:16:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/24/2014 8:55 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/24/2014 8:28 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/24/14 8:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Watching the various media networks hyping up the potential
demonstrations when the Grand Jury decision is announced about a half
hour from now.

Watch them come back with a 2nd degree murder or manslaughter charge.

All the wind will be taken out of the network sails.



I dunno. It's not easy to indict a cop in a killing, especially of a
minority kid.



Politics may play a role.

I don't know what to think. None of us have all the evidence and data.
I admit that I can't ignore the fact that shortly before he encountered
Wilson the "Gentle Giant" was recorded in a convenience store stealing a
box of cigars and manhandling the proprietor.

Apparently pot was found in his system in the autopsies. Cigars laced
with PCP are documented as producing a feeling of invincibility in some people.

Not a judgement. It's just that I don't think he was the fine,
outstanding citizen he's been made out to be.

There's also the altercation in the patrol car that has been acknowledged
by all, including Brown's defenders.

Bottom line is that I think this event has taken on two different
agendas. The first is the event itself and was Wilson to blame.

The other is the issue of minorities being singled out and stereotyped by
the police. The demonstrations so far center on this.

Many have complained that a predominantly black neighborhood has a police
department made up of mostly whites. I've heard some say that they
should have mostly black officers in these neighborhoods.

So what direction are we headed? In some ways it seems it's back to
racial segregation like back in the 40's and 50's.

My friends in the Kansas City area tell me that Missouri has moved
backwards and to the far right in the last two decades. I assume that
includes racially.

There have been many incidents nationally of white cops brutalizing and
murdering minorities all out of proportion to any alleged crimes.



Did you happen to catch "Meet the Press" yesterday?

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was debating this subject with
Georgetown professor Michael Dyson. Got very heated.

At one point Giuliani said to Dyson (who is black), “White police
officers wouldn’t be there if you weren’t killing each other.” and,
"Why don't you cut it down so that so many white police officers don't
have to be in black areas?”

Dyson fired back, “When I become mayor, I’ll do that” and then called
Giuliani a "White Supremacist"

That's just Giuliani's 'ingrained racism' coming to the fore. You
should know that anyone who suggests that blacks in the inner cities
may be contributing to their own problems is an 'ingrained racist'.



That phrase really got to you, huh? Why?

Because it was so appropriate and from such an emminently respectable
person, what else? And, of course, being right on top of Toad's racism
comment made it even *more* significant!