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On 10/28/2014 11:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:26 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 9:40 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Today, I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06
right in my doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone
and went about my business.

While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy
across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the
street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front
of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was
still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved
itself outside. It certainly hadn't killed anyone, even with the
numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it
hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all
the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people.
Either the media is wrong or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in
the world.

The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the World. But if you
take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC and New Orleans, the United
States is 4th from the bottom for murders. These 4 Cities also have
the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States. And all 4 are
controlled by Democrats in City Hall.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right?

Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people
fat.

True or not, I like it... Does anybody here watch Dana? LOL! Surprised
harry hasn't been all over her, smoldering hot conservative with a
brain... Scariest thing in the world to a guy like him..

I googled "Dana conservative" and up she came at the top of the list,
but when I googled Harry Krause all I got was directions to a pay toilet.

Well, I was just trolling really. Did pretty good, got two big ones :)

You didn't "get" anyone ... not that it matters.
Your admiration of the Tea Party is duly noted.

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On 10/28/14 11:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 11:04 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door.
People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...

Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are
loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)

I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room
to room.

These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM

.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !

Why unloaded? Do you sleep walk?

Not usually, and I don't need Ambien! :) I don't feel a need to keep a
loaded handgun by the bed.

You can't really break into this house quietly...outside lights go off
at night, there's an alarm system, there are videocams ... Even a runty
full-patch motorcycle gang wannabe from Connecticut with delusions of
toughness couldn't sneak through. :)

There's plenty of time for me to grab the revolver and speedloader and
mate them up.

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Richard, that's true about tough illinois gun laws That is IF one takes into consideration and including Chicago gun law. The rest of the state isn't so strict, yes you must have an active FOID card, and register your guns, but trigger locks arnt mandatory nor is keeping them locked in a safe and storing ammunition separately isn't an issue either.

Interesting that down state illinois has very little gun crime. Cook county (Chicago) and St. Claire county (east St. Louis) are exceptions though. And that seems to be mostly gang related.

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On 10/28/2014 11:11 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 11:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:42 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:17 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door.
People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the
U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...

Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a
safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are
loaded
but kept in a safe.

I wouldn't leave a firearm out where it is easy to steal, or where a
passing neighborhood kid might grab it for a prank. Obviously, you
wouldn't, either.

No I wouldn't even if the laws governing their storage didn't exist.
I probably would if I lived in the wild west in 1840 but it doesn't
make any sense today.

Massachusetts maintains records on who owns what ... at least those
purchased since 1998. Having a firearm stolen without taking the
lawful
precautions regarding storage and/or failure to immediately report the
firearm as lost or stolen can make you share liability for any crime
that may be committed with it.

It also makes tracking easier for law enforcement. For example, a
restraining order against a gun owner can result in the owner having to
lose custody of his/her firearms.

There is no federal law that requires the reporting of a lost or stolen
firearm but several states have such laws. They include:

Mandatory Loss/Theft Reporting

Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Illinois
Maryland (handguns and assault weapons only)
Massachusetts
Michigan (thefts only)
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Rhode Island

I wasn't aware of that law, but I did assume if a firearm were stolen,
you'd report that to the local police.

Part of the reasoning behind the mandatory Loss/Theft reporting is that
if a crime was committed with the firearm or the owner was ordered by a
court to turn his/her firearms over due to something like a restraining
order, the owner just declared it had been stolen or lost.

It makes sense to me. Car insurance is another thing. Most states
require proof of having at least liability insurance on your cars. I
remember living in Illinois back in the early 70's. Illinois didn't
have a mandatory insurance requirement and many people tried to save
money by not carrying insurance. The Navy didn't buy it though. You
had to have proof of insurance in order to be issued a base sticker and
drive your vehicle on any military installation.

I always get a "paper trail" when I sell a firearm. I'm more than happy
to pay an FFL $20 for the transaction.

MA allows self documentation of a sale on-line, using a printable, state
electronic form. Both seller's and buyer's gun license numbers are
required along with serial number. It's up to the seller to confirm
that the buyer is licensed appropriately.

Recent state legislation attempted to get rid of reporting transfers
on-line and included a requirement to use a FFL instead. I believe the
legislation was defeated.

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On 10/28/2014 11:48 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's true about tough illinois gun laws That is IF one takes into consideration and including Chicago gun law. The rest of the state isn't so strict, yes you must have an active FOID card, and register your guns, but trigger locks arnt mandatory nor is keeping them locked in a safe and storing ammunition separately isn't an issue either.

Interesting that down state illinois has very little gun crime. Cook county (Chicago) and St. Claire county (east St. Louis) are exceptions though. And that seems to be mostly gang related.

So, your state gun laws differ and are less restrictive than local
Chicago laws or ordinances? Interesting.

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On 10/28/2014 11:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 11:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:26 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 9:40 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Today, I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06
right in my doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone
and went about my business.

While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy
across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the
street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front
of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was
still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved
itself outside. It certainly hadn't killed anyone, even with the
numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it
hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all
the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people.
Either the media is wrong or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in
the world.

The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the World. But if you
take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC and New Orleans, the United
States is 4th from the bottom for murders. These 4 Cities also have
the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States. And all 4 are
controlled by Democrats in City Hall.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right?

Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people
fat.

True or not, I like it... Does anybody here watch Dana? LOL!
Surprised
harry hasn't been all over her, smoldering hot conservative with a
brain... Scariest thing in the world to a guy like him..

I googled "Dana conservative" and up she came at the top of the list,
but when I googled Harry Krause all I got was directions to a pay
toilet.

Well, I was just trolling really. Did pretty good, got two big ones :)

Please...if someone bought a jar of honey for you and you sat outside
and poured it over your head, you couldn't troll for flies. You did get
a bite from FlaJim, of course, but he's just another 7th grader, like you.

I guess your girlish nibbles don't count. Eh Krowsie?

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Yes Richard t seems that way, contrary to some belief, in this manner , Cook county doesn't control the rest of the state. Illinois is mainly rural farm land which isn't affected by Cook county gun ordinances...thankfully.

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I thought I'd ad that I live about 250 mi south of Chicago and approx 100 mi due east of St. Louis. Just 50 miles from the indiana border.

I'm in a small farming community. No wild hogs here but a lot of white tail deer.

To hunt deer there are a lot of restrictions that are highly enforced , but not hard to comply with.

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On 10/28/14 12:19 PM, Tim wrote:
I thought I'd ad that I live about 250 mi south of Chicago and approx 100 mi due east of St. Louis. Just 50 miles from the indiana border.

I'm in a small farming community. No wild hogs here but a lot of white tail deer.

To hunt deer there are a lot of restrictions that are highly enforced , but not hard to comply with.

You just never know when a wild, marauding herd of deer will force their
way into your workshop and... :)

--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

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