Cabbie and the nun
 

On 10/22/14 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/22/14 4:16 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/22/14 1:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:08:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/21/14, 5:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:20:14 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:39:23 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/21/2014 2:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/21/14 1:41 PM, True North wrote:
Is that the best you can come up with?
Better go back to swabbing the decks and chipping rust off old tubs.
Oh wait...you don't boat anymore....and probably haven't since you
wore a Popeye outfit back in the 60's.


If you are referring to FlaJim, our Navy boy, he's a cowardly pussy and
properly wore Olive Oyl's outfit when he was in uniform learning how to
repair obsolete outdrives.


Cmon Krausie. You're supposed to be a creative writer.

===

I understand he was very creative with his loan applications - lucky
he's not in jail.

Hard to believe Krausie can call one who served in our armed forces a
'cowardly pussy'.


FlaJim is a cowardly pussy.

Actually, he served - you ran. Who's the cowardly pussy?



Ran? My local draft board always knew where I was. But, like most young
men in my age group, I wasn't drafted. I had better options than going
off to SE Asia to participate in war mongering against people who were no
threat to anyone other than a right-wing dictator. Yes, it took brave men
like you and FlaJim to help our country fight a war in which we burned
villages and non-combatant men, women, and children, and sprayed chemical
warfare weapons on their forests and jungles.

However, my referring to FlaJim as a cowardly pussy has nothing to do
with the time he hid out in the navy.




All brought to you by a Democrat POTUS!



Actually, my student status didn't really end until the end of 1968, so
Nixon would have been POTUS, probably, if I had ever received a letter to report. :)


Yup, but LBJ brought us the big war. Gulf of Tonkin lie!!!!!!



You're not going to get an argument from me that every POTUS from
Eisenhower through Nixon had dirty hands in regard to Vietnam, and that
LBJ's were the dirtiest. We have this horrific habit in this country of
supporting dictatorships against their people. That's one of the reasons
why we have so much **** to deal with in Iraq, Iran, and other countries
in the Muslim Middle East.

--
Of life’s simple pleasures, few are more satisfying than being attacked
by the right-wing trash in rec.boats. :)

Cabbie and the nun
 

On 10/22/2014 6:13 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/22/14 5:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/22/2014 5:10 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/22/14 4:16 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/22/14 1:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:08:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 10/21/14, 5:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:20:14 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:39:23 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 10/21/2014 2:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/21/14 1:41 PM, True North wrote:
Is that the best you can come up with?
Better go back to swabbing the decks and chipping rust off old
tubs.
Oh wait...you don't boat anymore....and probably haven't since
you
wore a Popeye outfit back in the 60's.


If you are referring to FlaJim, our Navy boy, he's a cowardly
pussy and
properly wore Olive Oyl's outfit when he was in uniform
learning how to
repair obsolete outdrives.


Cmon Krausie. You're supposed to be a creative writer.

===

I understand he was very creative with his loan applications -
lucky
he's not in jail.

Hard to believe Krausie can call one who served in our armed
forces a
'cowardly pussy'.


FlaJim is a cowardly pussy.

Actually, he served - you ran. Who's the cowardly pussy?



Ran? My local draft board always knew where I was. But, like most
young
men in my age group, I wasn't drafted. I had better options than going
off to SE Asia to participate in war mongering against people who
were no
threat to anyone other than a right-wing dictator. Yes, it took brave
men
like you and FlaJim to help our country fight a war in which we burned
villages and non-combatant men, women, and children, and sprayed
chemical
warfare weapons on their forests and jungles.

However, my referring to FlaJim as a cowardly pussy has nothing to do
with the time he hid out in the navy.




All brought to you by a Democrat POTUS!



Actually, my student status didn't really end until the end of 1968, so
Nixon would have been POTUS, probably, if I had ever received a letter
to report. :)




I really don't care if you were subject to the draft or not. Not
everyone got a notice. However, 1968 was the peak of the number of
people who were at least notified to report for a physical. The lottery
system didn't start until late 1969.

A school deferment was pretty much automatic and could be extended if
you then enrolled in a graduate program although that ended in 1968. The
relative number of people enrolled in school from 1964 through 1972 very
closely follows the draft numbers, peaking in 1968. After 1968 the
number drafted and the number enrolled in school quickly began to
decline. The last person drafted was at the end of 1972. The draft was
officially abolished in 1979.




Most guys my age did not get a notice to report for a pre-draft physical
during the 1960s. Most guys my age were not drafted. My student
deferment ended in 1968 and my draft board knew it.

I certainly wasn't going to go enlist at that point so I could go kill
SE Asians who were *absolutely no threat* to my country. I didn't see
any reason then and I don't see any reason now for us to do what we did
there to prop up one horrific right-wing dictator after another and use
chemical weapons on the indigenous people there. Oh, wait...some of you
believe that bull**** "my country right or wrong" bull****, n'est-ce pas?


So how many people who served in the military during that period did so
solely with the goal to "kill SE Asians"? Not many. The draft removed
any choice for many. For others it was a means of service to the country
which was considered an honorable thing to do. Many joined was a means
of getting job training and/or educational benefits. Others joined
simply for the adventure of something new.

Bottom line is ... it's a dirty job but someone has to do it. (with an
acknowledgement nod to Mike Rowe)

Cabbie and the nun
 

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:13:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Most guys my age did not get a notice to report for a pre-draft physical
during the 1960s. Most guys my age were not drafted.

===

That's all horse ****. I'm about your age and know the facts.

Cabbie and the nun
 

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:21:14 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

We have this horrific habit in this country of
supporting dictatorships against their people. That's one of the reasons
why we have so much **** to deal with in Iraq, Iran, and other countries
in the Muslim Middle East.

===

Sadly, I have come around to the point of view that much of that
region is ungovernable without a dictatorship. Their culture has
none of the underpinning history and infrastructure required to make
democracy work.

Cabbie and the nun
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/22/14 6:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/22/14 4:16 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/22/14 1:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:08:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/21/14, 5:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:20:14 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:39:23 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/21/2014 2:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/21/14 1:41 PM, True North wrote:
Is that the best you can come up with?
Better go back to swabbing the decks and chipping rust off old tubs.
Oh wait...you don't boat anymore....and probably haven't since you
wore a Popeye outfit back in the 60's.


If you are referring to FlaJim, our Navy boy, he's a cowardly pussy and
properly wore Olive Oyl's outfit when he was in uniform learning how to
repair obsolete outdrives.


Cmon Krausie. You're supposed to be a creative writer.

===

I understand he was very creative with his loan applications - lucky
he's not in jail.

Hard to believe Krausie can call one who served in our armed forces a
'cowardly pussy'.


FlaJim is a cowardly pussy.

Actually, he served - you ran. Who's the cowardly pussy?



Ran? My local draft board always knew where I was. But, like most young
men in my age group, I wasn't drafted. I had better options than going
off to SE Asia to participate in war mongering against people who were no
threat to anyone other than a right-wing dictator. Yes, it took brave men
like you and FlaJim to help our country fight a war in which we burned
villages and non-combatant men, women, and children, and sprayed chemical
warfare weapons on their forests and jungles.

However, my referring to FlaJim as a cowardly pussy has nothing to do
with the time he hid out in the navy.




All brought to you by a Democrat POTUS!



Actually, my student status didn't really end until the end of 1968, so
Nixon would have been POTUS, probably, if I had ever received a letter to report. :)


Yup, but LBJ brought us the big war. Gulf of Tonkin lie!!!!!!



You're not going to get an argument from me that every POTUS from
Eisenhower through Nixon had dirty hands in regard to Vietnam, and that
LBJ's were the dirtiest. We have this horrific habit in this country of
supporting dictatorships against their people. That's one of the reasons
why we have so much **** to deal with in Iraq, Iran, and other countries
in the Muslim Middle East.


Truman also. He let the French have it back. Then we supplied the French
with munitions.

Cabbie and the nun
 

On 10/22/2014 7:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:21:14 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

We have this horrific habit in this country of
supporting dictatorships against their people. That's one of the reasons
why we have so much **** to deal with in Iraq, Iran, and other countries
in the Muslim Middle East.

===

Sadly, I have come around to the point of view that much of that
region is ungovernable without a dictatorship. Their culture has
none of the underpinning history and infrastructure required to make
democracy work.



Very true and the biggest mistake Bush and his administration made was
thinking otherwise.

Cabbie and the nun
 

On 10/22/14 7:51 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:13:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Most guys my age did not get a notice to report for a pre-draft physical
during the 1960s. Most guys my age were not drafted.

===

That's all horse ****. I'm about your age and know the facts.



No, you don't. Most guys my age were not drafted.

From Wikipedia:

There were 8,744,000 service members between 1964 and 1975, of whom
3,403,000 were deployed to Southeast Asia. From a pool of approximately
27 million, the draft raised 2,215,000 men for military service (in the
United States, Vietnam, West Germany, and elsewhere) during the Vietnam
era. The draft has also been credited with "encouraging" many of the 8.7
million "volunteers" to join rather than risk being drafted. The
majority of servicemen deployed to Vietnam were volunteers.

Of the nearly 16 million men not engaged in active military service, 57%
were exempted (typically because of jobs including other military
service), deferred (usually for educational reasons), or disqualified
(usually for physical and mental deficiencies but also for criminal
records including draft violations). Nearly 500,000 men were
disqualified for criminal records, but less than 10,000 of them were
convicted of draft violations. Finally, as many as 100,000 draft
eligible men fled the country.


http://tinyurl.com/n6spnsl


Let’s see. A pool of 27 million men, and less than 10% were drafted. Not
a big percentage. Some 8.7 million volunteered, less than a third of
those 27 million in the pool.

--
Of life’s simple pleasures, few are more satisfying than being attacked
by the right-wing trash in rec.boats. :)

Cabbie and the nun
 

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:19:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/22/14 7:51 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:13:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Most guys my age did not get a notice to report for a pre-draft physical
during the 1960s. Most guys my age were not drafted.

===

That's all horse ****. I'm about your age and know the facts.



No, you don't. Most guys my age were not drafted.

From Wikipedia:

There were 8,744,000 service members between 1964 and 1975, of whom
3,403,000 were deployed to Southeast Asia. From a pool of approximately
27 million, the draft raised 2,215,000 men for military service (in the
United States, Vietnam, West Germany, and elsewhere) during the Vietnam
era. The draft has also been credited with "encouraging" many of the 8.7
million "volunteers" to join rather than risk being drafted. The
majority of servicemen deployed to Vietnam were volunteers.

Of the nearly 16 million men not engaged in active military service, 57%
were exempted (typically because of jobs including other military
service), deferred (usually for educational reasons), or disqualified
(usually for physical and mental deficiencies but also for criminal
records including draft violations). Nearly 500,000 men were
disqualified for criminal records, but less than 10,000 of them were
convicted of draft violations. Finally, as many as 100,000 draft
eligible men fled the country.


http://tinyurl.com/n6spnsl


Let’s see. A pool of 27 million men, and less than 10% were drafted. Not
a big percentage. Some 8.7 million volunteered, less than a third of
those 27 million in the pool.

===

Just because a person was not drafted does not mean that their life
was not altered by the war and threat of the draft. Lots of people
enlisted to get their choice of service branch or specialty, and
countless others joined the reserves or national guard if they were
lucky enough to get in. Usually by the time you had to report for a
physical it was too late for the other options.

Cabbie and the nun
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:19:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/22/14 7:51 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:13:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Most guys my age did not get a notice to report for a pre-draft physical
during the 1960s. Most guys my age were not drafted.

===

That's all horse ****. I'm about your age and know the facts.



No, you don't. Most guys my age were not drafted.

From Wikipedia:

There were 8,744,000 service members between 1964 and 1975, of whom
3,403,000 were deployed to Southeast Asia. From a pool of approximately
27 million, the draft raised 2,215,000 men for military service (in the
United States, Vietnam, West Germany, and elsewhere) during the Vietnam
era. The draft has also been credited with "encouraging" many of the 8.7
million "volunteers" to join rather than risk being drafted. The
majority of servicemen deployed to Vietnam were volunteers.

Of the nearly 16 million men not engaged in active military service, 57%
were exempted (typically because of jobs including other military
service), deferred (usually for educational reasons), or disqualified
(usually for physical and mental deficiencies but also for criminal
records including draft violations). Nearly 500,000 men were
disqualified for criminal records, but less than 10,000 of them were
convicted of draft violations. Finally, as many as 100,000 draft
eligible men fled the country.


http://tinyurl.com/n6spnsl


LetÂ’s see. A pool of 27 million men, and less than 10% were drafted. Not
a big percentage. Some 8.7 million volunteered, less than a third of
those 27 million in the pool.

===

Just because a person was not drafted does not mean that their life
was not altered by the war and threat of the draft. Lots of people
enlisted to get their choice of service branch or specialty, and
countless others joined the reserves or national guard if they were
lucky enough to get in. Usually by the time you had to report for a
physical it was too late for the other options.

My draft notice was sent to the wrong address. Gave me time to get in the
Air Force instead of army draftee.

Cabbie and the nun
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:21:14 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

We have this horrific habit in this country of
supporting dictatorships against their people. That's one of the reasons
why we have so much **** to deal with in Iraq, Iran, and other countries
in the Muslim Middle East.

===

Sadly, I have come around to the point of view that much of that
region is ungovernable without a dictatorship. Their culture has
none of the underpinning history and infrastructure required to make
democracy work.

Same reason most of Africa is a disaster. Tribal mentality. Fight with
other tribes, and do what the chief says. Vote for who the chief says.