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On 10/2/14 8:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:21:35 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:16:54 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

The teachers union does not want us to actually test how well our
students are learning. They also do not want to be paid based on
performance, only time in grade and post graduate education (paid for
by the school system).

Guess they don't trust you to measure performance. Hardly surprising.

Who said anything about ME measuring anything except the insanities
brought by the unions. We were talking about 3d party testing of the
students.

What's your solution? I'm sure nearly everybody with any experience in
education will disagree with it.

Nearly everybody "with experience in education" will say there is no
problem with what we are doing. We spend more than just about every
other country in the world and rank somewhere around #26 in results.

It is clear we should all disagree with them.

Why? I've seen numbers that say as a pct of GDP we rank about 50th in
spending.

what the hell does GDP have to do with it?

And you can chalk those so-called "results" up to the
student's and their parents stupidity. This is America.
Teachers don't "teach," they can only guide the willing to learn.
So I don't agree with you, and you're not clear at all.
BTW, the "results" are just another ****ing test. You really like the
tests, don't you? But only tests you agree with.

How would you rank students? How well the teacher thinks (s)he is
doing with no testing?
The reality is, everything important in this country comes from the
result of a test.
Virtually all professions have a test and most trades do too.. You
need to do well on a test to get into a decent college, there are lots
of tests in the military and a lot of employers have tests.

Until you propose changes that show positive results, it's clear that
you're not an educator; you're just a nag.

There are plenty of people who agree with me.
The unions usually run them out of town, even when they have good
results. Ever hear of Michelle Rhee and her experiences in DC.

Ms. Rhee's results in DC were questionable.

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