Last German state to do away with university tuition fees

The Times
September 23, 2014 7:00AM


ALL GERMAN universities will be free of charge when term starts next
week after fees were abandoned in Lower Saxony, the last of seven states
to charge.

“Tuition fees are socially unjust,� said Dorothee Stapelfeldt, senator
for science in Hamburg, which scrapped charges in 2012.

“They particularly discourage young people who do not have a traditional
academic family background from taking up studies. It is a core task of
politics to ensure that young women and men can study with a high
quality standard free of charge in Germany.�

The experiment with tuition fees, which began in 2006, was overturned by
democratic pressure against the conservative-led state governments, all
in the west of Germany, which decided to charge euros 1,000 ($A1436) a year.

They were able to do so after a constitutional court ruling that
moderate fees combined with loans did not contradict the country’s
commitment to universal higher education.

Within eight years, all the states have changed their minds, with Lower
Saxony the last to give way after the defeat of its Christian Democrat
rulers last year. It means that this autumn’s student intake will enjoy
free university courses.

“We got rid of tuition fees because we do not want higher education
which depends on the wealth of the parents,� said Gabriele
Heinen-Kljajic of the Green party, the minister for science and culture
in Lower Saxony.

Under Germany’s federal system, state governments run education policy.

_ _ _

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

On 9/30/2014 11:19 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:08:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Last German state to do away with university tuition fees

The Times
September 23, 2014 7:00AM


ALL GERMAN universities will be free of charge when term starts next
week after fees were abandoned in Lower Saxony, the last of seven states
to charge.

“Tuition fees are socially unjust,� said Dorothee Stapelfeldt, senator
for science in Hamburg, which scrapped charges in 2012.

“They particularly discourage young people who do not have a traditional
academic family background from taking up studies. It is a core task of
politics to ensure that young women and men can study with a high
quality standard free of charge in Germany.�

The experiment with tuition fees, which began in 2006, was overturned by
democratic pressure against the conservative-led state governments, all
in the west of Germany, which decided to charge euros 1,000 ($A1436) a year.

They were able to do so after a constitutional court ruling that
moderate fees combined with loans did not contradict the country’s
commitment to universal higher education.

Within eight years, all the states have changed their minds, with Lower
Saxony the last to give way after the defeat of its Christian Democrat
rulers last year. It means that this autumn’s student intake will enjoy
free university courses.

“We got rid of tuition fees because we do not want higher education
which depends on the wealth of the parents,� said Gabriele
Heinen-Kljajic of the Green party, the minister for science and culture
in Lower Saxony.

Under Germany’s federal system, state governments run education policy.

_ _ _

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Maybe if our universities only charged $1500 a year, I would agree
with federal funding.


Do you really want politicians running our educational system?
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2...PsL/story.html

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

On 9/30/2014 11:19 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:08:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Last German state to do away with university tuition fees

The Times
September 23, 2014 7:00AM


ALL GERMAN universities will be free of charge when term starts next
week after fees were abandoned in Lower Saxony, the last of seven states
to charge.

“Tuition fees are socially unjust,� said Dorothee Stapelfeldt, senator
for science in Hamburg, which scrapped charges in 2012.

“They particularly discourage young people who do not have a traditional
academic family background from taking up studies. It is a core task of
politics to ensure that young women and men can study with a high
quality standard free of charge in Germany.�

The experiment with tuition fees, which began in 2006, was overturned by
democratic pressure against the conservative-led state governments, all
in the west of Germany, which decided to charge euros 1,000 ($A1436)
a year.

They were able to do so after a constitutional court ruling that
moderate fees combined with loans did not contradict the country’s
commitment to universal higher education.

Within eight years, all the states have changed their minds, with Lower
Saxony the last to give way after the defeat of its Christian Democrat
rulers last year. It means that this autumn’s student intake will enjoy
free university courses.

“We got rid of tuition fees because we do not want higher education
which depends on the wealth of the parents,� said Gabriele
Heinen-Kljajic of the Green party, the minister for science and culture
in Lower Saxony.

Under Germany’s federal system, state governments run education policy.

_ _ _

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in
debt.

Maybe if our universities only charged $1500 a year, I would agree
with federal funding.



Just what the USA needs. Federally financed "free" college. Heck, it's
only another entitlement program to add to the list that has grown by
over 700 percent since 1960. With federal (tax payer) financing comes
standardization and government "approved" courses of study. Yup, that's
the way to level the playing field.

There are many ways to acquire a college degree that don't require
tuition loans and the generation of a huge debt. You may (gasp) have to
*earn* your tuition payments either through work/school programs, GI
bill benefits, employer assisted education programs, scholarships, etc.

Another thing. In the real world that employs the vast majority of
people, the particular school you attended really doesn't mean much.
It's far more important that you went. People who struggled through
school attending community colleges and then continue on to a four year
degree are just as valuable (if not more) to most employers than the
graduate of a prestigious Ivy League University.

I'd like to see some regulation on how colleges and universities spend
their funds through. A requirement to spend 80 or 90 percent of
received revenues on actual education direct costs might work. Students
should not be helping to pay for expansion programs or some academic's
favorite research project out of their tuition payments.

On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history

On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

On 10/1/14 11:37 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 05:35:54 -0400, Harrold wrote:


Do you really want politicians running our educational system?

They already do.



Now you've done it...you've increased Stupid FlaJim's "now-lidge" base.