How's fishing CalifBill?
 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

jps wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html

Salt water fishing is good, depending where you are. I was fishing off the
Santa Monica pier yesterday with the granddaughters. Couple mackerel and a
small calico bass. Sad about the lakes. Love Oroville. And was planning
on Union Valley Lake and Ice House later this month, but the King Fire at a
100k acres is too close I think. Was out with the boat 2 weeks ago, in the
delta, but boat problems prevented any decent fishing. Broke shifter,
frozen cable on the kicker. Decent Albacore Tuna fishing out of Fort Bragg
and Eureka.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 9/29/14 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.



Florida...the next desert.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

No buffaloes to recharge the Oglala aquifer. Was the buffalo wallows that
broke through the hard pan so the water went in to the ground. Here in
California they finally changed the law on pumping ground water. About 3
weeks ago. We have subsidence of a foot a year in parts of the Central
Valley. Fresno has some areas of 30 feet subsidence. 80% of our water
goes to agriculture. And if you had water claim before 1913 you get all
the water in the river or area. Downriver has no right to it. 1908, the
mayor of Los Angeles nailed hand written signs to the trees on the southern
Sierra claiming the water. Why they have dewatered the Owens Valley, and
Mammoth lakes area. And AG is planting more almond orchards. One of the
thirstiest crops to grow. Even more than cotton and alfalfa.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/29/14 9:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.



Florida...the next desert.

Actually the Democrats are the problem with the water here. They control
politics in California. AG controls politicians. Resnick of Beverly Hills
is one of the biggest donors to Dem's. Last water contract from the Feds,
was at $6-9 and acre foot, and can be resold. Reselling water that costs
the people $60 to deliver, for $300-1500 an acre foot. Before they could
not resell unused allotment. 40 year contract. 2000 AG got about 10
million acre feet. 2013 they got about 15 million acre feet.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

BAR wrote:
In article 1303433033433735174.669339bmckeenospam-
, says...

wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

No buffaloes to recharge the Oglala aquifer. Was the buffalo wallows that
broke through the hard pan so the water went in to the ground. Here in
California they finally changed the law on pumping ground water. About 3
weeks ago. We have subsidence of a foot a year in parts of the Central
Valley. Fresno has some areas of 30 feet subsidence. 80% of our water
goes to agriculture. And if you had water claim before 1913 you get all
the water in the river or area. Downriver has no right to it. 1908, the
mayor of Los Angeles nailed hand written signs to the trees on the southern
Sierra claiming the water. Why they have dewatered the Owens Valley, and
Mammoth lakes area. And AG is planting more almond orchards. One of the
thirstiest crops to grow. Even more than cotton and alfalfa.

Are you, the royal California you, still citing people for not watering
their yards?

We are allowed two 15 minute watering of the lawn a week in our area. Lots
of artificial lawns going in. We are required in our district 25%
reduction in usage. Seems to be no reduction, only a request in SoCal.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

BAR wrote:
In article 1926133915433740400.112227bmckeenospam-
, says...

BAR wrote:
In article 1303433033433735174.669339bmckeenospam-
, says...

wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

No buffaloes to recharge the Oglala aquifer. Was the buffalo wallows that
broke through the hard pan so the water went in to the ground. Here in
California they finally changed the law on pumping ground water. About 3
weeks ago. We have subsidence of a foot a year in parts of the Central
Valley. Fresno has some areas of 30 feet subsidence. 80% of our water
goes to agriculture. And if you had water claim before 1913 you get all
the water in the river or area. Downriver has no right to it. 1908, the
mayor of Los Angeles nailed hand written signs to the trees on the southern
Sierra claiming the water. Why they have dewatered the Owens Valley, and
Mammoth lakes area. And AG is planting more almond orchards. One of the
thirstiest crops to grow. Even more than cotton and alfalfa.

Are you, the royal California you, still citing people for not watering
their yards?

We are allowed two 15 minute watering of the lawn a week in our area. Lots
of artificial lawns going in. We are required in our district 25%
reduction in usage. Seems to be no reduction, only a request in SoCal.

Way back in 1992 I watered my lawn for one quarter, water billing
period. When I got the bill I was shocked at the cost and decided that I
would not water my lawn ever again. In the winter the grass turns brown,
in the spring it tuns green, in the summer it turns brown and in the
fall it tuns green again.

Water is not that bad priced. Where we live we get water and sewage charge
on the bill. About $60 I think. Former abode, we got the sewage charge as
an annual charge on our tax bill. Let us deduct it from taxes.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 9/30/2014 3:00 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:12:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


Way back in 1992 I watered my lawn for one quarter, water billing
period. When I got the bill I was shocked at the cost and decided that I
would not water my lawn ever again. In the winter the grass turns brown,
in the spring it tuns green, in the summer it turns brown and in the
fall it tuns green again.

Water is not that bad priced. Where we live we get water and sewage charge
on the bill. About $60 I think. Former abode, we got the sewage charge as
an annual charge on our tax bill. Let us deduct it from taxes.

That may be part of the problem out there. Water is pretty expensive
here and they don't even have that much of a shortage. I think it is
something like $13 a 1000 gallons with the sewer (the sewer is as much
as the water and based on water use)



We still have a well, but they made us all put in sewer a while back,
Since we have a well, we pay about 350 /year in sewage tax.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:12:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


Way back in 1992 I watered my lawn for one quarter, water billing
period. When I got the bill I was shocked at the cost and decided that I
would not water my lawn ever again. In the winter the grass turns brown,
in the spring it tuns green, in the summer it turns brown and in the
fall it tuns green again.

Water is not that bad priced. Where we live we get water and sewage charge
on the bill. About $60 I think. Former abode, we got the sewage charge as
an annual charge on our tax bill. Let us deduct it from taxes.

That may be part of the problem out there. Water is pretty expensive
here and they don't even have that much of a shortage. I think it is
something like $13 a 1000 gallons with the sewer (the sewer is as much
as the water and based on water use)

The problem is AG gets the water at $9 an acre foot. And can resell for
hundreds of $$$. And they get 80% of the water.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:00:52 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:12:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


Way back in 1992 I watered my lawn for one quarter, water billing
period. When I got the bill I was shocked at the cost and decided that I
would not water my lawn ever again. In the winter the grass turns brown,
in the spring it tuns green, in the summer it turns brown and in the
fall it tuns green again.

Water is not that bad priced. Where we live we get water and sewage charge
on the bill. About $60 I think. Former abode, we got the sewage charge as
an annual charge on our tax bill. Let us deduct it from taxes.

That may be part of the problem out there. Water is pretty expensive
here and they don't even have that much of a shortage. I think it is
something like $13 a 1000 gallons with the sewer (the sewer is as much
as the water and based on water use)

Wow. My last water bill was $2.95/1000gal. The sewer charge is based
on winter water consumption and ran $6.55/1000gal. I guess I shouldn't
bitch too much.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:56:57 -0400, wrote:


On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:11:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 9/30/2014 3:00 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:12:37 -0500, Califbill
wrote:


Way back in 1992 I watered my lawn for one quarter, water billing
period. When I got the bill I was shocked at the cost and decided that I
would not water my lawn ever again. In the winter the grass turns brown,
in the spring it tuns green, in the summer it turns brown and in the
fall it tuns green again.

Water is not that bad priced. Where we live we get water and sewage charge
on the bill. About $60 I think. Former abode, we got the sewage charge as
an annual charge on our tax bill. Let us deduct it from taxes.

That may be part of the problem out there. Water is pretty expensive
here and they don't even have that much of a shortage. I think it is
something like $13 a 1000 gallons with the sewer (the sewer is as much
as the water and based on water use)



We still have a well, but they made us all put in sewer a while back,
Since we have a well, we pay about 350 /year in sewage tax.

I am still on well and septic but I am sure they will make us hook up
some day. The city system is at the end of the street. I wouldn't mind
the sewer but I am not thrilled with the city water. It is expensive
and basically the same water I am getting now. The wells they use are
in the same aquifer about a mile and a half away.
I think they will let me keep an "irrigation" well and I might do it
even though I do not really irrigate much.
I do have the plumbing separated anyway. It would be an easy hookup
for them..

When we lived in Tampa, there were lots of folks with 'irrigation'
wells and city water. That St Augustine grass did well on ground
water.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 21:04:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

And that water has been used mostly to water cows.

Sad.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/1/2014 6:42 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 21:04:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

And that water has been used mostly to water cows.

Sad.



You have something against cows?

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/1/2014 6:42 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 21:04:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

And that water has been used mostly to water cows.

Sad.



You have something against cows?

More like subsidized ethanol.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 19:38:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/1/2014 6:42 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 21:04:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html


I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long
before we run out of oil.
California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the
biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes.
It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer
might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow
melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of
years to replace.

And that water has been used mostly to water cows.

Sad.



You have something against cows?


Cows were herded by cowboys. Cowboys fended off rustlers,
rattlesnakes, and indians with guns. Ergo, cowboys were bad - and that
makes cows bad.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

Poco Loco wrote:




On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 19:38:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



On 10/1/2014 6:42 PM, jps wrote:



On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 21:04:35 -0400, wrote:



On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5843534.html



I have been saying for a long time that we will run out of water long before we run out of oil. California is one of the best examples. They have taken a some of the biggest rivers in the US and turned them into mud holes. It is not the only one tho, What they are doing to Ogalalla aquifer might actually be harder to fix. That is not simply overusing snow melt, they are pumping down fossil water that will take thousands of years to replace.



And that water has been used mostly to water cows. Sad.



You have something against cows?



Cows were herded by cowboys. Cowboys fended off rustlers, rattlesnakes, and indians with guns. Ergo, cowboys were bad - and that makes cows bad.

They had guns...

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/4/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:30:22 -0400, Roger wrote:



Roger, I bet a lot of folks are going to have trouble with that HTML


What kind of trouble?

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:11:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:53:19 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/4/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:30:22 -0400, Roger wrote:



Roger, I bet a lot of folks are going to have trouble with that HTML


What kind of trouble?

Some news readers do not open it automatically.

Agent gives me a popup, but it also gives me the option of not seeing
the popup again.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/5/14 12:18 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:29:08 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:11:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:53:19 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/4/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:30:22 -0400, Roger wrote:



Roger, I bet a lot of folks are going to have trouble with that HTML


What kind of trouble?

Some news readers do not open it automatically.

Agent gives me a popup, but it also gives me the option of not seeing
the popup again.

Mine just shows an icon and gives me the option to save and open it or
not.
It is probably because I have my security settings as tight as I can
get them and I don't let my machine open much of anything (executable)
without me knowing it.

You can cause a lot of mischief in an HTML package, not that any of
the folks here are likely to do it.



Gosh, I have even better security. I simply don't open/read posts from
Roger-Dodger. :)

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/5/2014 11:11 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:53:19 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/4/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:30:22 -0400, Roger wrote:



Roger, I bet a lot of folks are going to have trouble with that HTML


What kind of trouble?

Some news readers do not open it automatically.


Is Forte Agent 1.91 one of them?

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/5/2014 11:29 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:11:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:53:19 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/4/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:30:22 -0400, Roger wrote:



Roger, I bet a lot of folks are going to have trouble with that HTML


What kind of trouble?

Some news readers do not open it automatically.

Agent gives me a popup, but it also gives me the option of not seeing
the popup again.


Are you running an antique version of Agent?

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 13:02:03 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/5/2014 11:29 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:11:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:53:19 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/4/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:30:22 -0400, Roger wrote:



Roger, I bet a lot of folks are going to have trouble with that HTML


What kind of trouble?

Some news readers do not open it automatically.

Agent gives me a popup, but it also gives me the option of not seeing
the popup again.


Are you running an antique version of Agent?

Agent 7.20/32...about as recent as you can get. I couldn't get my old
version to work with Win 7. Had to fork over $19. 'Bout killed me.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

Roger wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:29:08 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:11:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:53:19 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/4/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:30:22 -0400, Roger wrote:


Roger, I bet a lot of folks are going to have trouble with that HTML

What kind of trouble?
Some news readers do not open it automatically.
Agent gives me a popup, but it also gives me the option of not seeing
the popup again.
Mine just shows an icon and gives me the option to save and open it or
not.
It is probably because I have my security settings as tight as I can
get them and I don't let my machine open much of anything (executable)
without me knowing it.

You can cause a lot of mischief in an HTML package, not that any of
the folks here are likely to do it.
Strange. It's just text.

You can embed scripts in HTML. So smart people do not open them.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 23:46:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:34:37 -0400, Roger wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:29:08 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:11:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:53:19 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/4/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:30:22 -0400, Roger wrote:


Roger, I bet a lot of folks are going to have trouble with that HTML

What kind of trouble?
Some news readers do not open it automatically.
Agent gives me a popup, but it also gives me the option of not seeing
the popup again.
Mine just shows an icon and gives me the option to save and open it or
not.
It is probably because I have my security settings as tight as I can
get them and I don't let my machine open much of anything (executable)
without me knowing it.

You can cause a lot of mischief in an HTML package, not that any of
the folks here are likely to do it.
Strange. It's just text.

HTML may be text but it can have embedded hyperlinks to malware sites
among other things.
Once you let HTML run, you may also be running malicious Java scripts
or just about anything else that could happen on a Russian web site.

Uncheck 'View/Display HTML content' That solves the problem in Agent
7.2.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:27:08 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 23:46:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:34:37 -0400, Roger wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:29:08 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:11:25 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 08:53:19 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/4/2014 11:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:30:22 -0400, Roger wrote:


Roger, I bet a lot of folks are going to have trouble with that HTML

What kind of trouble?
Some news readers do not open it automatically.
Agent gives me a popup, but it also gives me the option of not seeing
the popup again.
Mine just shows an icon and gives me the option to save and open it or
not.
It is probably because I have my security settings as tight as I can
get them and I don't let my machine open much of anything (executable)
without me knowing it.

You can cause a lot of mischief in an HTML package, not that any of
the folks here are likely to do it.
Strange. It's just text.

HTML may be text but it can have embedded hyperlinks to malware sites
among other things.
Once you let HTML run, you may also be running malicious Java scripts
or just about anything else that could happen on a Russian web site.

Uncheck 'View/Display HTML content' That solves the problem in Agent
7.2.

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 4:58:57 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Tell us about your alarm system and surveillance video cameras again.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:30:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 4:58:57 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Tell us about your alarm system and surveillance video cameras again.

And the conversations with cops 'perceived threats'!

"That's not a baby kicking, dear bride, that's just a fetus."
Harold Krause

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/14 5:55 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:30:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 4:58:57 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Tell us about your alarm system and surveillance video cameras again.

And the conversations with cops 'perceived threats'!

"If you are black, move back." John Herring



--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/2014 7:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.



Yesterday I fired up the iMac for the first time in about 3 months. I
tried to update the software because apparently there have been some
hacks on the OSX system recently. I received notice via email to make
sure I updated the system.

Had to go through four windows asking me to sign with passwords into my
Apple account, "iCloud" account (which I never created), my "iTunes"
account (which drives me nuts), and my Apple "Apps" account, all of
which was requested in order to simply update the OS. I shut the thing off.

I think the iMac is a very nice, well built computer but Apple's way of
doing things just isn't for me. The Windows laptop I use everyday
works just fine, updates itself when required and doesn't require me to
sign in to a "Windows" account on a regular basis to use. Also never
had any problems with viruses or malware and I've been using it since
2009. I credit the AVG anti-virus software for much of that.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/14 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.



Yesterday I fired up the iMac for the first time in about 3 months. I
tried to update the software because apparently there have been some
hacks on the OSX system recently. I received notice via email to make
sure I updated the system.

Had to go through four windows asking me to sign with passwords into my
Apple account, "iCloud" account (which I never created), my "iTunes"
account (which drives me nuts), and my Apple "Apps" account, all of
which was requested in order to simply update the OS. I shut the thing
off.

I think the iMac is a very nice, well built computer but Apple's way of
doing things just isn't for me. The Windows laptop I use everyday
works just fine, updates itself when required and doesn't require me to
sign in to a "Windows" account on a regular basis to use. Also never
had any problems with viruses or malware and I've been using it since
2009. I credit the AVG anti-virus software for much of that.



Your machine isn't set up properly. When there is an update, I get an
on-screen notice and I am asked if I want it. If I say yes, the update
downloads and installs automatically.

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/2014 7:51 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.



Yesterday I fired up the iMac for the first time in about 3 months. I
tried to update the software because apparently there have been some
hacks on the OSX system recently. I received notice via email to make
sure I updated the system.

Had to go through four windows asking me to sign with passwords into my
Apple account, "iCloud" account (which I never created), my "iTunes"
account (which drives me nuts), and my Apple "Apps" account, all of
which was requested in order to simply update the OS. I shut the thing
off.

I think the iMac is a very nice, well built computer but Apple's way of
doing things just isn't for me. The Windows laptop I use everyday
works just fine, updates itself when required and doesn't require me to
sign in to a "Windows" account on a regular basis to use. Also never
had any problems with viruses or malware and I've been using it since
2009. I credit the AVG anti-virus software for much of that.



Your machine isn't set up properly. When there is an update, I get an
on-screen notice and I am asked if I want it. If I say yes, the update
downloads and installs automatically.



That's what it did. When I booted it I saw the on-screen notice about
updates and said "yes". It then started with the requests for sign-in
and passwords for the Apple accounts I listed. I signed into the
general Apple account because it was the only password I could remember
and just hit "cancel" on the other Apple account requests. I thought it
started the update process and left to take care of some other things I
had to do. Came back an hour or so later and it reported update was not
complete until I signed into iCloud, iTunes, etc. That's when I just
shut the thing down and said, "screw it".

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/2014 7:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:51 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.



Yesterday I fired up the iMac for the first time in about 3 months. I
tried to update the software because apparently there have been some
hacks on the OSX system recently. I received notice via email to make
sure I updated the system.

Had to go through four windows asking me to sign with passwords into my
Apple account, "iCloud" account (which I never created), my "iTunes"
account (which drives me nuts), and my Apple "Apps" account, all of
which was requested in order to simply update the OS. I shut the thing
off.

I think the iMac is a very nice, well built computer but Apple's way of
doing things just isn't for me. The Windows laptop I use everyday
works just fine, updates itself when required and doesn't require me to
sign in to a "Windows" account on a regular basis to use. Also never
had any problems with viruses or malware and I've been using it since
2009. I credit the AVG anti-virus software for much of that.



Your machine isn't set up properly. When there is an update, I get an
on-screen notice and I am asked if I want it. If I say yes, the update
downloads and installs automatically.



That's what it did. When I booted it I saw the on-screen notice about
updates and said "yes". It then started with the requests for sign-in
and passwords for the Apple accounts I listed. I signed into the
general Apple account because it was the only password I could remember
and just hit "cancel" on the other Apple account requests. I thought it
started the update process and left to take care of some other things I
had to do. Came back an hour or so later and it reported update was not
complete until I signed into iCloud, iTunes, etc. That's when I just
shut the thing down and said, "screw it".



In his haste to be "right" he didn't notice the very first sentence in
your post suggesting it had been "three months" since you "fired it
up"... Most rational folks would assume it's set up right reading your
posts here all year, and all it needed was some time to do three months
worth of updates... again, all of us are smarter than krause.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/14 7:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:51 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.



Yesterday I fired up the iMac for the first time in about 3 months. I
tried to update the software because apparently there have been some
hacks on the OSX system recently. I received notice via email to make
sure I updated the system.

Had to go through four windows asking me to sign with passwords into my
Apple account, "iCloud" account (which I never created), my "iTunes"
account (which drives me nuts), and my Apple "Apps" account, all of
which was requested in order to simply update the OS. I shut the thing
off.

I think the iMac is a very nice, well built computer but Apple's way of
doing things just isn't for me. The Windows laptop I use everyday
works just fine, updates itself when required and doesn't require me to
sign in to a "Windows" account on a regular basis to use. Also never
had any problems with viruses or malware and I've been using it since
2009. I credit the AVG anti-virus software for much of that.



Your machine isn't set up properly. When there is an update, I get an
on-screen notice and I am asked if I want it. If I say yes, the update
downloads and installs automatically.



That's what it did. When I booted it I saw the on-screen notice about
updates and said "yes". It then started with the requests for sign-in
and passwords for the Apple accounts I listed. I signed into the
general Apple account because it was the only password I could remember
and just hit "cancel" on the other Apple account requests. I thought it
started the update process and left to take care of some other things I
had to do. Came back an hour or so later and it reported update was not
complete until I signed into iCloud, iTunes, etc. That's when I just
shut the thing down and said, "screw it".



Any liberal arts majors in your neighborhood?

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/14 7:59 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:31:13 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.

Tell that to Jennifer Lawrence, not that anyone wants to see you
naked.


So, are you a prepper?

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/14 8:27 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:51 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a
binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.



Yesterday I fired up the iMac for the first time in about 3
months. I
tried to update the software because apparently there have been some
hacks on the OSX system recently. I received notice via email to make
sure I updated the system.

Had to go through four windows asking me to sign with passwords into my
Apple account, "iCloud" account (which I never created), my "iTunes"
account (which drives me nuts), and my Apple "Apps" account, all of
which was requested in order to simply update the OS. I shut the thing
off.

I think the iMac is a very nice, well built computer but Apple's way of
doing things just isn't for me. The Windows laptop I use everyday
works just fine, updates itself when required and doesn't require me to
sign in to a "Windows" account on a regular basis to use. Also never
had any problems with viruses or malware and I've been using it since
2009. I credit the AVG anti-virus software for much of that.



Your machine isn't set up properly. When there is an update, I get an
on-screen notice and I am asked if I want it. If I say yes, the update
downloads and installs automatically.



That's what it did. When I booted it I saw the on-screen notice about
updates and said "yes". It then started with the requests for sign-in
and passwords for the Apple accounts I listed. I signed into the
general Apple account because it was the only password I could remember
and just hit "cancel" on the other Apple account requests. I thought it
started the update process and left to take care of some other things I
had to do. Came back an hour or so later and it reported update was not
complete until I signed into iCloud, iTunes, etc. That's when I just
shut the thing down and said, "screw it".



In his haste to be "right" he didn't notice the very first sentence in
your post suggesting it had been "three months" since you "fired it
up"... Most rational folks would assume it's set up right reading your
posts here all year, and all it needed was some time to do three months
worth of updates... again, all of us are smarter than krause.


Three months worth of updates on the apple OS probably amounts to no
more than a weeks worth of updates on windoze.

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/2014 8:47 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:51 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a
binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.



Yesterday I fired up the iMac for the first time in about 3
months. I
tried to update the software because apparently there have been some
hacks on the OSX system recently. I received notice via email to make
sure I updated the system.

Had to go through four windows asking me to sign with passwords into my
Apple account, "iCloud" account (which I never created), my "iTunes"
account (which drives me nuts), and my Apple "Apps" account, all of
which was requested in order to simply update the OS. I shut the thing
off.

I think the iMac is a very nice, well built computer but Apple's way of
doing things just isn't for me. The Windows laptop I use everyday
works just fine, updates itself when required and doesn't require me to
sign in to a "Windows" account on a regular basis to use. Also never
had any problems with viruses or malware and I've been using it since
2009. I credit the AVG anti-virus software for much of that.



Your machine isn't set up properly. When there is an update, I get an
on-screen notice and I am asked if I want it. If I say yes, the update
downloads and installs automatically.



That's what it did. When I booted it I saw the on-screen notice about
updates and said "yes". It then started with the requests for sign-in
and passwords for the Apple accounts I listed. I signed into the
general Apple account because it was the only password I could remember
and just hit "cancel" on the other Apple account requests. I thought it
started the update process and left to take care of some other things I
had to do. Came back an hour or so later and it reported update was not
complete until I signed into iCloud, iTunes, etc. That's when I just
shut the thing down and said, "screw it".



Any liberal arts majors in your neighborhood?


It's not that I can't do what Apple tells me to do. I just have no
interest in constantly responding to their demands in order to use the
computer. It's set up fine but I've found that Apple is really a higher
maintenance OS than Windows Vista or Win 7.

It's really a shame. Ms.E and I bought each other iMacs last Christmas.
Her's is the 27-inch, mine the 21.5". She rarely uses hers because
she does everything on her iPhone. (which drives me nuts also because
she has that stupid thing in her face all day).

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/2014 8:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 8:27 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:51 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a
binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.



Yesterday I fired up the iMac for the first time in about 3
months. I
tried to update the software because apparently there have been some
hacks on the OSX system recently. I received notice via email to make
sure I updated the system.

Had to go through four windows asking me to sign with passwords
into my
Apple account, "iCloud" account (which I never created), my "iTunes"
account (which drives me nuts), and my Apple "Apps" account, all of
which was requested in order to simply update the OS. I shut the
thing
off.

I think the iMac is a very nice, well built computer but Apple's
way of
doing things just isn't for me. The Windows laptop I use everyday
works just fine, updates itself when required and doesn't require
me to
sign in to a "Windows" account on a regular basis to use. Also never
had any problems with viruses or malware and I've been using it since
2009. I credit the AVG anti-virus software for much of that.



Your machine isn't set up properly. When there is an update, I get an
on-screen notice and I am asked if I want it. If I say yes, the update
downloads and installs automatically.



That's what it did. When I booted it I saw the on-screen notice about
updates and said "yes". It then started with the requests for sign-in
and passwords for the Apple accounts I listed. I signed into the
general Apple account because it was the only password I could remember
and just hit "cancel" on the other Apple account requests. I thought it
started the update process and left to take care of some other things I
had to do. Came back an hour or so later and it reported update was not
complete until I signed into iCloud, iTunes, etc. That's when I just
shut the thing down and said, "screw it".



In his haste to be "right" he didn't notice the very first sentence in
your post suggesting it had been "three months" since you "fired it
up"... Most rational folks would assume it's set up right reading your
posts here all year, and all it needed was some time to do three months
worth of updates... again, all of us are smarter than krause.


Three months worth of updates on the apple OS probably amounts to no
more than a weeks worth of updates on windoze.



Nonsense.

I very rarely shut this HP laptop off. When I'm finished using it I put
it in "sleep" mode.

About once a month I'll notice that it "woke up" automatically in order
to download and install updates from Microsoft. The entire process is
done without my intervention, supplying passwords or any other action.
It just updates and works.

How's fishing CalifBill?
 

On 10/7/2014 9:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:59:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/7/2014 7:51 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/7/2014 7:31 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 7:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:58:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:05 PM, wrote:

In the level I run, I have to actually agree to launch an HTML.
Usually it never comes up in a "text only" group.
The only reason you would want to use HTML is if you are embedding
graphics or scripts. If you are doing that you should be in a binary
group.



Thanks...the paranoia in this newsgroup always makes me smile.

Ignorance is bliss.



Are you the official newsgroup prepper?

Sorry, but my computer operating system ain't the target yours is.



Yesterday I fired up the iMac for the first time in about 3 months. I
tried to update the software because apparently there have been some
hacks on the OSX system recently. I received notice via email to make
sure I updated the system.

Had to go through four windows asking me to sign with passwords into my
Apple account, "iCloud" account (which I never created), my "iTunes"
account (which drives me nuts), and my Apple "Apps" account, all of
which was requested in order to simply update the OS. I shut the thing
off.

I think the iMac is a very nice, well built computer but Apple's way of
doing things just isn't for me. The Windows laptop I use everyday
works just fine, updates itself when required and doesn't require me to
sign in to a "Windows" account on a regular basis to use. Also never
had any problems with viruses or malware and I've been using it since
2009. I credit the AVG anti-virus software for much of that.



Your machine isn't set up properly. When there is an update, I get an
on-screen notice and I am asked if I want it. If I say yes, the update
downloads and installs automatically.



That's what it did. When I booted it I saw the on-screen notice about
updates and said "yes". It then started with the requests for sign-in
and passwords for the Apple accounts I listed. I signed into the
general Apple account because it was the only password I could remember
and just hit "cancel" on the other Apple account requests. I thought it
started the update process and left to take care of some other things I
had to do. Came back an hour or so later and it reported update was not
complete until I signed into iCloud, iTunes, etc. That's when I just
shut the thing down and said, "screw it".


My guess is that Harry has his security settings at "come **** me" so
he is auto logged onto everything. He doesn't think anyone can hack an
apple.



I don't know but I suspect the Apple OS is no more "hack proof" than
Microsoft's Windows. In fact, I recently read an article that claimed
that Windows has become much more secure ... even more so than the
latest Apple OSX.

In the past the relatively low number of Macs in use compared to Windows
machines made the hacking not worth the effort. Lately though it seems
that both the iPhone/iPad OS and the OSX used in the computers are
coming under increasing attacks.