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On 9/19/14, 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote: You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else. Problem is which Morse number. Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length. Transfer ends from one cable to the other. Yup that is how Yamaha cables work. You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the appropriate adapter kits for the terminations. When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick" Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that) I got them online. In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic. I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they are certainly not all that common. It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards. The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is "Electronic Command" You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or quads and that is people for whom money is no object. I just saw three outboard rigs with Mercs set up with electronic controls. Perhaps they're not yet available on the edge of Camp Swampy, where you live, but they are available up north. I'd guess Yamaha had them, too. |
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On 9/19/2014 1:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:52:52 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote: You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else. Problem is which Morse number. Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length. Transfer ends from one cable to the other. Yup that is how Yamaha cables work. You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the appropriate adapter kits for the terminations. When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick" Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that) I got them online. In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic. I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they are certainly not all that common. It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards. The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is "Electronic Command" You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or quads and that is people for whom money is no object. The new Mercury Verado line are electronic throttle and shift. Some of the big, top line Yamahas are as well. It's likely that 80% of what's sold is still mechanical. TR1 is an electronic steering for kickers. But most are still mechanical. Problem with the Yamaha shift cable is the length. Is 27 inches. And all the Teleflex / Morse cables I see are in even foot lengths. If you can't make do with a generic, you might have to pay the OEM prices. |
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On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:14:25 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/14, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote: You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else. Problem is which Morse number. Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length. Transfer ends from one cable to the other. Yup that is how Yamaha cables work. You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the appropriate adapter kits for the terminations. When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick" Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that) I got them online. In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic. I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they are certainly not all that common. It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards. The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is "Electronic Command" You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or quads and that is people for whom money is no object. I just saw three outboard rigs with Mercs set up with electronic controls. Perhaps they're not yet available on the edge of Camp Swampy, where you live, but they are available up north. I'd guess Yamaha had them, too. "These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic." Three does not equal "most". |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:25:42 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
I just saw three outboard rigs with Mercs set up with electronic controls. Perhaps they're not yet available on the edge of Camp Swampy, where you live, but they are available up north. I'd guess Yamaha had them, too. "These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic." Three does not equal "most". === Harry has comprehension problems. |
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On 9/19/14, 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:14:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/14, 11:52 AM, wrote: I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they are certainly not all that common. It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards. The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is "Electronic Command" You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or quads and that is people for whom money is no object. I just saw three outboard rigs with Mercs set up with electronic controls. Perhaps they're not yet available on the edge of Camp Swampy, where you live, but they are available up north. I'd guess Yamaha had them, too. Like someone posted above some of the larger motors have them but not midrange. The electronic control only makes sense on triple and quad installations and that is how Yamaha markets it. From their site "For multiple-engine applications, these controls feature automatic engine RPM synchronization. Not only that, but in quad configurations, the control box syncs port and port center engines together, and starboard and starboard center engines together. Commanding hundreds of horses doesn’t get much easier than this." In a single or even twin installation it just looks like unnecessary complexity for a fairly simple operation. I am not surprised that they try to sell it on high end engines since I am sure it is a very profitable option for them. It looks like it is only standard on the V-8, it is an option on the V-6 (on the Yamaha site) The inline motors don't even seem to offer it. (200 and below) The outboards and boats I was looking at this morning (I had an hour to kill before a meeting near BWI) all were electronically controlled. I'll have to stop at my friendly Deale dealer and see what is coming with the new Gradys and Parkers and Yamahas. I don't pay much attention to smaller outboards. |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:52:52 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote: You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else. Problem is which Morse number. Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length. Transfer ends from one cable to the other. Yup that is how Yamaha cables work. You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the appropriate adapter kits for the terminations. When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick" Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that) I got them online. In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic. I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they are certainly not all that common. It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards. The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is "Electronic Command" You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or quads and that is people for whom money is no object. My outboard, Yamaha 150, was not electronically controlled. Don't know where Krause comes up with his crap. |
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On 9/26/14 9:07 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:52:52 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote: You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else. Problem is which Morse number. Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length. Transfer ends from one cable to the other. Yup that is how Yamaha cables work. You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the appropriate adapter kits for the terminations. When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick" Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that) I got them online. In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic. I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they are certainly not all that common. It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards. The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is "Electronic Command" You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or quads and that is people for whom money is no object. My outboard, Yamaha 150, was not electronically controlled. Don't know where Krause comes up with his crap. How's your brother doing? |
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On 9/26/14 10:41 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:07:09 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:52:52 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote: You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else. Problem is which Morse number. Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length. Transfer ends from one cable to the other. Yup that is how Yamaha cables work. You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the appropriate adapter kits for the terminations. When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick" Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that) I got them online. In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic. I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they are certainly not all that common. It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards. The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is "Electronic Command" You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or quads and that is people for whom money is no object. My outboard, Yamaha 150, was not electronically controlled. Don't know where Krause comes up with his crap. The best I can tell none of the inline motors even offer electronic controls (200). If the model number ends in an A it is mechanical and B means electronic. (like F250*A and F250*B) Once again, a number of the outboard rigs I looked at recently at a dealer's showroom had electronic controls. I suspect a lot of rigs on display at the upcoming Ft. Lauderdale and Miami boat shows will have outboards with electronic controls, and in the not so distant future, the electronic controls will extend downward into the inline cylinder head engines. In the end, it will be cheaper to control outboards electronically. |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/26/14 10:41 AM, wrote: On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:07:09 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:52:52 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote: You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else. Problem is which Morse number. Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length. Transfer ends from one cable to the other. Yup that is how Yamaha cables work. You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the appropriate adapter kits for the terminations. When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick" Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that) I got them online. In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic. I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they are certainly not all that common. It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards. The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is "Electronic Command" You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or quads and that is people for whom money is no object. My outboard, Yamaha 150, was not electronically controlled. Don't know where Krause comes up with his crap. The best I can tell none of the inline motors even offer electronic controls (200). If the model number ends in an A it is mechanical and B means electronic. (like F250*A and F250*B) Once again, a number of the outboard rigs I looked at recently at a dealer's showroom had electronic controls. I suspect a lot of rigs on display at the upcoming Ft. Lauderdale and Miami boat shows will have outboards with electronic controls, and in the not so distant future, the electronic controls will extend downward into the inline cylinder head engines. In the end, it will be cheaper to control outboards electronically. But not steering. |
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