boating today.
 

Took the boat to the San Joaquin delta today. Beautiful, but hot weather.
Couple problems I have to fix. Did try fishing, but only undersized
stripers to be caught. Went to turn on the blower, and drops the voltage I
see about 2 volts. Must be frozen. And when went to shift my T8 Yamaha
kicker. The shifter broke. Shift cable seems to be frozen. That will be a
couple boat bucks. Nice motors, but Yamaha is very proud of the parts.

boating today.
 

On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:26:20 AM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
Took the boat to the San Joaquin delta today. Beautiful, but hot weather.

Couple problems I have to fix. Did try fishing, but only undersized

stripers to be caught. Went to turn on the blower, and drops the voltage I

see about 2 volts. Must be frozen. And when went to shift my T8 Yamaha

kicker. The shifter broke. Shift cable seems to be frozen. That will be a

couple boat bucks. Nice motors, but Yamaha is very proud of the parts.

Yamaha wanted over $550 for a solenoid for my 150hp. Tim got me going for about $23. I'd look around a whole lot before buying from Yamaha.

boating today.
 

John H wrote:
On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:26:20 AM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
Took the boat to the San Joaquin delta today. Beautiful, but hot weather.

Couple problems I have to fix. Did try fishing, but only undersized

stripers to be caught. Went to turn on the blower, and drops the voltage I

see about 2 volts. Must be frozen. And when went to shift my T8 Yamaha

kicker. The shifter broke. Shift cable seems to be frozen. That will be a

couple boat bucks. Nice motors, but Yamaha is very proud of the parts.

Yamaha wanted over $550 for a solenoid for my 150hp. Tim got me going for
about $23. I'd look around a whole lot before buying from Yamaha.

Cable is a specialized item. As well as the shifter casting. I think I
can weld up the casting with my mig welder. $122 on the internet for the
cable.

boating today.
 

On 9/18/2014 3:15 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:26:20 AM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
Took the boat to the San Joaquin delta today. Beautiful, but hot weather.

Couple problems I have to fix. Did try fishing, but only undersized

stripers to be caught. Went to turn on the blower, and drops the voltage I

see about 2 volts. Must be frozen. And when went to shift my T8 Yamaha

kicker. The shifter broke. Shift cable seems to be frozen. That will be a

couple boat bucks. Nice motors, but Yamaha is very proud of the parts.

Yamaha wanted over $550 for a solenoid for my 150hp. Tim got me going for
about $23. I'd look around a whole lot before buying from Yamaha.

Cable is a specialized item. As well as the shifter casting. I think I
can weld up the casting with my mig welder. $122 on the internet for the
cable.

You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50
unless Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

boating today.
 

Harrold wrote:
On 9/18/2014 3:15 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:26:20 AM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
Took the boat to the San Joaquin delta today. Beautiful, but hot weather.

Couple problems I have to fix. Did try fishing, but only undersized

stripers to be caught. Went to turn on the blower, and drops the voltage I

see about 2 volts. Must be frozen. And when went to shift my T8 Yamaha

kicker. The shifter broke. Shift cable seems to be frozen. That will be a

couple boat bucks. Nice motors, but Yamaha is very proud of the parts.

Yamaha wanted over $550 for a solenoid for my 150hp. Tim got me going for
about $23. I'd look around a whole lot before buying from Yamaha.

Cable is a specialized item. As well as the shifter casting. I think I
can weld up the casting with my mig welder. $122 on the internet for the
cable.

You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

boating today.
 

On 9/18/2014 6:25 PM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 9/18/2014 3:15 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:26:20 AM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
Took the boat to the San Joaquin delta today. Beautiful, but hot weather.

Couple problems I have to fix. Did try fishing, but only undersized

stripers to be caught. Went to turn on the blower, and drops the voltage I

see about 2 volts. Must be frozen. And when went to shift my T8 Yamaha

kicker. The shifter broke. Shift cable seems to be frozen. That will be a

couple boat bucks. Nice motors, but Yamaha is very proud of the parts.

Yamaha wanted over $550 for a solenoid for my 150hp. Tim got me going for
about $23. I'd look around a whole lot before buying from Yamaha.

Cable is a specialized item. As well as the shifter casting. I think I
can weld up the casting with my mig welder. $122 on the internet for the
cable.

You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.
Transfer ends from one cable to the other.

boating today.
 

On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:


You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.
Transfer ends from one cable to the other.

Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.
You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the
appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.
When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"
Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)
I got them online.


In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank
a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and
shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or
corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner
metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables
or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor
was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were
mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are
electronic.

boating today.
 

On 9/19/2014 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:


You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.
Transfer ends from one cable to the other.

Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.
You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the
appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.
When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"
Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)
I got them online.


In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank
a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and
shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or
corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner
metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables
or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor
was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were
mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are
electronic.

I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they
are certainly not all that common.
It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.
The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is
"Electronic Command"
You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or
quads and that is people for whom money is no object.


Thanks for clearing this up. Harry seems to have a reading comprehension
problem

boating today.
 

On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:52:52 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:





You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless

Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.



Problem is which Morse number.



Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.

Transfer ends from one cable to the other.



Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.

You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the

appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.

When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"

Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)

I got them online.





In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank

a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and

shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or

corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner

metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables

or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor

was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were

mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are

electronic.



I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they

are certainly not all that common.

It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.

The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is

"Electronic Command"

You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or

quads and that is people for whom money is no object.

The new Mercury Verado line are electronic throttle and shift. Some of the big, top line Yamahas are as well. It's likely that 80% of what's sold is still mechanical.

boating today.
 

wrote:
On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:52:52 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:





You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless

Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.



Problem is which Morse number.



Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.

Transfer ends from one cable to the other.



Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.

You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the

appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.

When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"

Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)

I got them online.





In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank

a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and

shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or

corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner

metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables

or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor

was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were

mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are

electronic.



I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they

are certainly not all that common.

It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.

The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is

"Electronic Command"

You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or

quads and that is people for whom money is no object.

The new Mercury Verado line are electronic throttle and shift. Some of
the big, top line Yamahas are as well. It's likely that 80% of what's
sold is still mechanical.

TR1 is an electronic steering for kickers. But most are still mechanical.
Problem with the Yamaha shift cable is the length. Is 27 inches. And all
the Teleflex / Morse cables I see are in even foot lengths.

boating today.
 

On 9/19/2014 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:52:52 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:





You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless

Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.



Problem is which Morse number.



Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.

Transfer ends from one cable to the other.



Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.

You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the

appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.

When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"

Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)

I got them online.





In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank

a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and

shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or

corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner

metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables

or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor

was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were

mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are

electronic.



I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they

are certainly not all that common.

It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.

The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is

"Electronic Command"

You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or

quads and that is people for whom money is no object.

The new Mercury Verado line are electronic throttle and shift. Some of the big, top line Yamahas are as well. It's likely that 80% of what's sold is still mechanical.

boating today.
 

On 9/19/14, 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:


You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.
Transfer ends from one cable to the other.

Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.
You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the
appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.
When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"
Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)
I got them online.


In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank
a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and
shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or
corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner
metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables
or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor
was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were
mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are
electronic.

I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they
are certainly not all that common.
It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.
The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is
"Electronic Command"
You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or
quads and that is people for whom money is no object.



I just saw three outboard rigs with Mercs set up with electronic
controls. Perhaps they're not yet available on the edge of Camp Swampy,
where you live, but they are available up north. I'd guess Yamaha had
them, too.

boating today.
 

On 9/19/2014 1:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:52:52 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:





You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless

Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.



Problem is which Morse number.



Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.

Transfer ends from one cable to the other.



Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.

You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the

appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.

When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"

Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)

I got them online.





In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank

a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and

shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or

corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner

metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables

or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor

was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were

mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are

electronic.



I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they

are certainly not all that common.

It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.

The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is

"Electronic Command"

You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or

quads and that is people for whom money is no object.

The new Mercury Verado line are electronic throttle and shift. Some of
the big, top line Yamahas are as well. It's likely that 80% of what's
sold is still mechanical.

TR1 is an electronic steering for kickers. But most are still mechanical.
Problem with the Yamaha shift cable is the length. Is 27 inches. And all
the Teleflex / Morse cables I see are in even foot lengths.


If you can't make do with a generic, you might have to pay the OEM prices.

boating today.
 

On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:14:25 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/14, 11:52 AM, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:





You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless

Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.



Problem is which Morse number.



Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.

Transfer ends from one cable to the other.



Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.

You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the

appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.

When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"

Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)

I got them online.





In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank

a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and

shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or

corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner

metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables

or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor

was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were

mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are

electronic.



I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they

are certainly not all that common.

It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.

The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is

"Electronic Command"

You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or

quads and that is people for whom money is no object.







I just saw three outboard rigs with Mercs set up with electronic

controls. Perhaps they're not yet available on the edge of Camp Swampy,

where you live, but they are available up north. I'd guess Yamaha had

them, too.


"These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic."

Three does not equal "most".

boating today.
 

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:25:42 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I just saw three outboard rigs with Mercs set up with electronic

controls. Perhaps they're not yet available on the edge of Camp Swampy,

where you live, but they are available up north. I'd guess Yamaha had

them, too.


"These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are electronic."

Three does not equal "most".

===

Harry has comprehension problems.

boating today.
 

On 9/19/14, 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:14:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/14, 11:52 AM, wrote:

I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they
are certainly not all that common.
It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.
The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is
"Electronic Command"
You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or
quads and that is people for whom money is no object.



I just saw three outboard rigs with Mercs set up with electronic
controls. Perhaps they're not yet available on the edge of Camp Swampy,
where you live, but they are available up north. I'd guess Yamaha had
them, too.

Like someone posted above some of the larger motors have them but not
midrange. The electronic control only makes sense on triple and quad
installations and that is how Yamaha markets it.

From their site
"For multiple-engine applications, these controls feature automatic
engine RPM synchronization. Not only that, but in quad configurations,
the control box syncs port and port center engines together, and
starboard and starboard center engines together. Commanding hundreds
of horses doesn’t get much easier than this."

In a single or even twin installation it just looks like unnecessary
complexity for a fairly simple operation. I am not surprised that they
try to sell it on high end engines since I am sure it is a very
profitable option for them.
It looks like it is only standard on the V-8, it is an option on the
V-6 (on the Yamaha site)
The inline motors don't even seem to offer it. (200 and below)



The outboards and boats I was looking at this morning (I had an hour to
kill before a meeting near BWI) all were electronically controlled. I'll
have to stop at my friendly Deale dealer and see what is coming with the
new Gradys and Parkers and Yamahas. I don't pay much attention to
smaller outboards.

boating today.
 

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:52:52 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:


You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.
Transfer ends from one cable to the other.

Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.
You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the
appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.
When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"
Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)
I got them online.


In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank
a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and
shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or
corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner
metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables
or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor
was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were
mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are
electronic.

I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they
are certainly not all that common.
It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.
The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is
"Electronic Command"
You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or
quads and that is people for whom money is no object.

My outboard, Yamaha 150, was not electronically controlled. Don't know
where Krause comes up with his crap.

boating today.
 

On 9/26/14 9:07 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:52:52 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:


You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.
Transfer ends from one cable to the other.

Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.
You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the
appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.
When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"
Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)
I got them online.


In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank
a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and
shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or
corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner
metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables
or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor
was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were
mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are
electronic.

I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they
are certainly not all that common.
It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.
The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is
"Electronic Command"
You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or
quads and that is people for whom money is no object.

My outboard, Yamaha 150, was not electronically controlled. Don't know
where Krause comes up with his crap.



How's your brother doing?

boating today.
 

On 9/26/14 10:41 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:07:09 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:52:52 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:


You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.
Transfer ends from one cable to the other.

Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.
You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the
appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.
When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"
Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)
I got them online.


In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank
a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and
shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or
corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner
metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables
or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor
was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were
mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are
electronic.

I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they
are certainly not all that common.
It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.
The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is
"Electronic Command"
You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or
quads and that is people for whom money is no object.

My outboard, Yamaha 150, was not electronically controlled. Don't know
where Krause comes up with his crap.

The best I can tell none of the inline motors even offer electronic
controls (200). If the model number ends in an A it is mechanical and
B means electronic. (like F250*A and F250*B)


Once again, a number of the outboard rigs I looked at recently at a
dealer's showroom had electronic controls. I suspect a lot of rigs on
display at the upcoming Ft. Lauderdale and Miami boat shows will have
outboards with electronic controls, and in the not so distant future,
the electronic controls will extend downward into the inline cylinder
head engines. In the end, it will be cheaper to control outboards
electronically.

boating today.
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/26/14 10:41 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:07:09 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:52:52 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold wrote:


You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around $50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.
Transfer ends from one cable to the other.

Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.
You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the
appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.
When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"
Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)
I got them online.


In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or sank
a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and
shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of sand or
corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner
metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the cables
or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days, labor
was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were
mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are
electronic.

I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they
are certainly not all that common.
It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.
The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is
"Electronic Command"
You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or
quads and that is people for whom money is no object.

My outboard, Yamaha 150, was not electronically controlled. Don't know
where Krause comes up with his crap.

The best I can tell none of the inline motors even offer electronic
controls (200). If the model number ends in an A it is mechanical and
B means electronic. (like F250*A and F250*B)


Once again, a number of the outboard rigs I looked at recently at a
dealer's showroom had electronic controls. I suspect a lot of rigs on
display at the upcoming Ft. Lauderdale and Miami boat shows will have
outboards with electronic controls, and in the not so distant future, the
electronic controls will extend downward into the inline cylinder head
engines. In the end, it will be cheaper to control outboards electronically.

But not steering.

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On 9/26/14 11:45 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:51:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/26/14 10:41 AM, wrote:

The best I can tell none of the inline motors even offer electronic
controls (200). If the model number ends in an A it is mechanical and
B means electronic. (like F250*A and F250*B)


Once again, a number of the outboard rigs I looked at recently at a
dealer's showroom had electronic controls. I suspect a lot of rigs on
display at the upcoming Ft. Lauderdale and Miami boat shows will have
outboards with electronic controls, and in the not so distant future,
the electronic controls will extend downward into the inline cylinder
head engines. In the end, it will be cheaper to control outboards
electronically.

Dealers are going to show the highest profit lines on their floor

They may have a few cheaper boats around, just to have something
people can afford but they are in business to maximize profits.

This electronic thing may be a higher profit to Yamaha but it is not
cheaper for the customer and it is not going to be as reliable over
time.
You are trading a cable for an electronic control center and the
actuators in the motor. You still end up with a cable but it is
electrical instead of just a stiff wire. The mechanical linkage in the
motor does not change that much.
The way Yamaha markets this right now does make sense tho If you are
running trip or quad outboards, electronic controllers do reduce
complexity.
In a single or even twins ... not so much. It is extra complexity with
very little added functionality.



Funny stuff. I reported what I saw, and I'm predicting what might happen
with electronic controls for outboards in the future, and you're playing
Flatlander. Wait until you get to Pointland.

I suppose if fly by wire were as unreliable as you claim, you wouldn't
find it in airliners. Oh, wait...

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On 9/26/2014 10:51 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Once again, a number of the outboard rigs I looked at recently at a
dealer's showroom had electronic controls. I suspect a lot of rigs on
display at the upcoming Ft. Lauderdale and Miami boat shows will have
outboards with electronic controls, and in the not so distant future,
the electronic controls will extend downward into the inline cylinder
head engines. In the end, it will be cheaper to control outboards
electronically.

These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm are
electronic.


I think you meant to say some,not most. Right, Goober?

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On 9/26/14 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:52:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/26/14 11:45 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:51:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/26/14 10:41 AM, wrote:

The best I can tell none of the inline motors even offer electronic
controls (200). If the model number ends in an A it is mechanical and
B means electronic. (like F250*A and F250*B)


Once again, a number of the outboard rigs I looked at recently at a
dealer's showroom had electronic controls. I suspect a lot of rigs on
display at the upcoming Ft. Lauderdale and Miami boat shows will have
outboards with electronic controls, and in the not so distant future,
the electronic controls will extend downward into the inline cylinder
head engines. In the end, it will be cheaper to control outboards
electronically.

Dealers are going to show the highest profit lines on their floor

They may have a few cheaper boats around, just to have something
people can afford but they are in business to maximize profits.

This electronic thing may be a higher profit to Yamaha but it is not
cheaper for the customer and it is not going to be as reliable over
time.
You are trading a cable for an electronic control center and the
actuators in the motor. You still end up with a cable but it is
electrical instead of just a stiff wire. The mechanical linkage in the
motor does not change that much.
The way Yamaha markets this right now does make sense tho If you are
running trip or quad outboards, electronic controllers do reduce
complexity.
In a single or even twins ... not so much. It is extra complexity with
very little added functionality.



Funny stuff. I reported what I saw, and I'm predicting what might happen
with electronic controls for outboards in the future, and you're playing
Flatlander. Wait until you get to Pointland.

I suppose if fly by wire were as unreliable as you claim, you wouldn't
find it in airliners. Oh, wait...

Are we using a little false equivalency (or whatever bull**** term you
come up with)

Yeah a $7,000 outboard is exactly like a $200 million airplane.




It's only a matter of time. There are plenty of boats out there with
electronic controls. You're just a "decrepit tech" kind of guy.

boating today.
 

On 9/26/2014 3:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:12:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/26/14 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:52:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Funny stuff. I reported what I saw, and I'm predicting what might happen
with electronic controls for outboards in the future, and you're playing
Flatlander. Wait until you get to Pointland.

I suppose if fly by wire were as unreliable as you claim, you wouldn't
find it in airliners. Oh, wait...

Are we using a little false equivalency (or whatever bull**** term you
come up with)

Yeah a $7,000 outboard is exactly like a $200 million airplane.




It's only a matter of time. There are plenty of boats out there with
electronic controls. You're just a "decrepit tech" kind of guy.


I am just not a fan of changing something that works, simply because a
company can make more money by selling me something with no added
benefit.

You luddite, you.

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On 9/26/14 3:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:12:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/26/14 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:52:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Funny stuff. I reported what I saw, and I'm predicting what might happen
with electronic controls for outboards in the future, and you're playing
Flatlander. Wait until you get to Pointland.

I suppose if fly by wire were as unreliable as you claim, you wouldn't
find it in airliners. Oh, wait...

Are we using a little false equivalency (or whatever bull**** term you
come up with)

Yeah a $7,000 outboard is exactly like a $200 million airplane.




It's only a matter of time. There are plenty of boats out there with
electronic controls. You're just a "decrepit tech" kind of guy.

I am just not a fan of changing something that works, simply because a
company can make more money by selling me something with no added
benefit.


I thought you'd love it...after all, it'll help eliminate the jobs of
most of the riggers who have to feed heavy cables through the bilges.

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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 9/26/14 9:07 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:52:52 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:31:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/18/14 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:38:26 -0400, Harrold
wrote:


You should be able to buy a Morse or Teleflex cable for around
$50 unless
Yamaha does cables differently than everyone else.

Problem is which Morse number.

Call a parts house. You pretty much only need to specify length.
Transfer ends from one cable to the other.

Yup that is how Yamaha cables work.
You buy the generic cable with threaded ends and you get the
appropriate adapter kits for the terminations.
When I got my cables they were about $50 each for the new "slick"
Yamaha branded cable (TFX or something like that)
I got them online.


In the good old days, when one of my father's customers swamped or
sank
a boat, or it went down in a storm and was rescued, the throttle and
shift control cable to the outboard usually froze up because of
sand or
corrosion. One of the shop guys would remove the ends, pull the inner
metal cables out of their rubbery covers, and either replace the
cables
or clean and grease them and put them back in. Back in those days,
labor
was still less expensive than new parts, and the controls were
mechanical. These days, sadly, most outboard controls from the helm
are
electronic.

I have not seen any fly by wire outboards yet. They have them but they
are certainly not all that common.
It is not even an option on small and midrange outboards.
The Yamaha "command link" is just instrumentation. I know there is
"Electronic Command"
You usually would only see the electronic controllers on trips or
quads and that is people for whom money is no object.

My outboard, Yamaha 150, was not electronically controlled. Don't know
where Krause comes up with his crap.



How's your brother doing?

Asshole.

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Greg, I'm glad you brought up AMC, in 1983 they were prototyping a gas over electric hybrid car then. I suppose it was dropped due to insufficient battery technology at the day. If they'd made it reliable at the time it probably would have saved the company...

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Actually I know you were talking about OMC the marine outboard company, but I thought I'd throw the AMC story in there to show that a lot of new stuff today was used years ago.

Yes the electric shift on the outboards was really cool and was reasonably reliable. My pontoons 85 horse Evinrude had it and I had no problems with it for the two years I ran it.

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On 9/27/14 3:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:32:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Actually I know you were talking about OMC the marine outboard company, but I thought I'd throw the AMC story in there to show that a lot of new stuff today was used years ago.

Yes the electric shift on the outboards was really cool and was reasonably reliable. My pontoons 85 horse Evinrude had it and I had no problems with it for the two years I ran it.

Mopar had it on the old Torqeflight tranny too.
It just seems like unnecessary complexity for a fairly simple
mechanism. My wife's Lincoln doesn't have electric shifting and it has
more doodads than anyone really needs.
Like I said, if I had trips or quads, it would make sense.
Maybe those are the boats that attract Harry's attention.
I look at them like fashion models. They are fun to look at but too
expensive and too high maintenance for me.



Again with the fallacious assumptions. None of the boats I saw with
electronically controlled engines were trips or quads. In all the year
I've been boating on the Bay, I doubt if I have seen more than a handful
of boats with triple outboards, and the only time I have seen a quad was
last spring down in Ft. Lauderdale. My guess is at the upcoming Miami
powerboat show, there will be plenty of outboard boats on display with
electronic controls. Not everyone disdains technological advances as
much as you.

boating today.
 

On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:35:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Again with the fallacious assumptions. None of the boats I saw with
electronically controlled engines were trips or quads. In all the year
I've been boating on the Bay, I doubt if I have seen more than a handful
of boats with triple outboards

===

I've seen at least a dozen in the last couple of days running through
the ICW in North Carolina and South Carolina. The Chesapeake seems to
have a lot more classic inboard fishing boats than many other places.

boating today.
 

On 9/27/14 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:35:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/27/14 3:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:32:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Actually I know you were talking about OMC the marine outboard company, but I thought I'd throw the AMC story in there to show that a lot of new stuff today was used years ago.

Yes the electric shift on the outboards was really cool and was reasonably reliable. My pontoons 85 horse Evinrude had it and I had no problems with it for the two years I ran it.

Mopar had it on the old Torqeflight tranny too.
It just seems like unnecessary complexity for a fairly simple
mechanism. My wife's Lincoln doesn't have electric shifting and it has
more doodads than anyone really needs.
Like I said, if I had trips or quads, it would make sense.
Maybe those are the boats that attract Harry's attention.
I look at them like fashion models. They are fun to look at but too
expensive and too high maintenance for me.



Again with the fallacious assumptions. None of the boats I saw with
electronically controlled engines were trips or quads. In all the year
I've been boating on the Bay, I doubt if I have seen more than a handful
of boats with triple outboards, and the only time I have seen a quad was
last spring down in Ft. Lauderdale. My guess is at the upcoming Miami
powerboat show, there will be plenty of outboard boats on display with
electronic controls. Not everyone disdains technological advances as
much as you.

The open question is whether this is actually an "advance". What
exactly are they advancing except corporate profits, something you
usually attack. They are fixing a problem that doesn't exist. They are
replacing a $40 cable with an $1100 electronic control option (the
difference in price on a Yamaha F200 with and without DEC) plus
whatever the difference is in controllers.



Well, then, you probably shouldn't equip your next V6 or V8 outboard
with electronic controls.

boating today.
 

On 9/27/2014 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:35:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/27/14 3:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:32:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Actually I know you were talking about OMC the marine outboard company, but I thought I'd throw the AMC story in there to show that a lot of new stuff today was used years ago.

Yes the electric shift on the outboards was really cool and was reasonably reliable. My pontoons 85 horse Evinrude had it and I had no problems with it for the two years I ran it.

Mopar had it on the old Torqeflight tranny too.
It just seems like unnecessary complexity for a fairly simple
mechanism. My wife's Lincoln doesn't have electric shifting and it has
more doodads than anyone really needs.
Like I said, if I had trips or quads, it would make sense.
Maybe those are the boats that attract Harry's attention.
I look at them like fashion models. They are fun to look at but too
expensive and too high maintenance for me.



Again with the fallacious assumptions. None of the boats I saw with
electronically controlled engines were trips or quads. In all the year
I've been boating on the Bay, I doubt if I have seen more than a handful
of boats with triple outboards, and the only time I have seen a quad was
last spring down in Ft. Lauderdale. My guess is at the upcoming Miami
powerboat show, there will be plenty of outboard boats on display with
electronic controls. Not everyone disdains technological advances as
much as you.

The open question is whether this is actually an "advance". What
exactly are they advancing except corporate profits, something you
usually attack. They are fixing a problem that doesn't exist. They are
replacing a $40 cable with an $1100 electronic control option (the
difference in price on a Yamaha F200 with and without DEC) plus
whatever the difference is in controllers.



Probably just following Detroit's lead. When power windows and door
locks were first introduced they were a novelty reserved for high-end
car models. Now they are standard in just about every car, mainly
because the electric motors and solenoids are cheaper to manufacture
than a manual, crank powered window or lock assembly.

boating today.
 

On 9/27/14 5:54 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:53:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/27/14 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:35:38 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 9/27/14 3:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:32:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Actually I know you were talking about OMC the marine outboard company, but I thought I'd throw the AMC story in there to show that a lot of new stuff today was used years ago.

Yes the electric shift on the outboards was really cool and was reasonably reliable. My pontoons 85 horse Evinrude had it and I had no problems with it for the two years I ran it.

Mopar had it on the old Torqeflight tranny too.
It just seems like unnecessary complexity for a fairly simple
mechanism. My wife's Lincoln doesn't have electric shifting and it has
more doodads than anyone really needs.
Like I said, if I had trips or quads, it would make sense.
Maybe those are the boats that attract Harry's attention.
I look at them like fashion models. They are fun to look at but too
expensive and too high maintenance for me.



Again with the fallacious assumptions. None of the boats I saw with
electronically controlled engines were trips or quads. In all the year
I've been boating on the Bay, I doubt if I have seen more than a handful
of boats with triple outboards, and the only time I have seen a quad was
last spring down in Ft. Lauderdale. My guess is at the upcoming Miami
powerboat show, there will be plenty of outboard boats on display with
electronic controls. Not everyone disdains technological advances as
much as you.

The open question is whether this is actually an "advance". What
exactly are they advancing except corporate profits, something you
usually attack. They are fixing a problem that doesn't exist. They are
replacing a $40 cable with an $1100 electronic control option (the
difference in price on a Yamaha F200 with and without DEC) plus
whatever the difference is in controllers.



Well, then, you probably shouldn't equip your next V6 or V8 outboard
with electronic controls.

Your contention was that this was going to come down to midrange.

If I can believe the slick ads, 250s and 350s are all used in 2s or
3s..
If you are spending $50,000-125,000 on motors, what the hell is
another couple grand?

I see a Yellowfin 36 running around here with twin Seven Marines. I
bet some corporation is paying for that.


Yamaha 150s and 200s in twin configurations are popular around here. I
wouldn't be surprised to see electronic controls being made available
for them.

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On Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:19:02 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:

Yamaha wanted over $550 for a solenoid for my 150hp. Tim got me going for about $23. I'd look around a whole lot before buying from Yamaha.

What do you expect from ****ing Chinks?

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On 9/27/2014 11:30 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:19:02 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:

Yamaha wanted over $550 for a solenoid for my 150hp. Tim got me going for about $23. I'd look around a whole lot before buying from Yamaha.

What do you expect from ****ing Chinks?


Need a job? Of course you do.
http://yamaha-motor.com/corporate/ya...areers_dr.aspx

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