On 8/30/14 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully
assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can,
however, buy a fully assembled lower.

I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing.
I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle.
I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600
rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds


Right, because everyone knows a 30-30 or .308 won't inflict grievous
wounds. I like the AR platform because the rifles are easy to customize
and maintain, and, for me, at least, they are accurate enough and, of
course, I only inflict "grievous wounds" on plastic and aluminum bottles
and cans and paper target. Besides, .308 ammo, American-made in brass
casings, is twice as expensive or more than brass-cased U.S.-made .223
REM ammo, and 30-30 Win is even more expensive.

On 8/30/14 1:49 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:21:21 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:14:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully
assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can,
however, buy a fully assembled lower.

I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing.
I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle.
I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600
rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds

===

An AR-15 should be very effective against alligators and wild boars.

I would rather have something that hit a little harder. I don't want
to wait for them to bleed to death.

Perhaps you ought to get yourself a Louisville Slugger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woY5dHF8hPs

On 8/30/2014 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully
assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can,
however, buy a fully assembled lower.

I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing.
I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle.
I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600
rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds

I wonder what Harry's need for or attraction to military weaponry is?
Back in the sixties when Uncle Sam would have appreciated him picking up
a gun and serving his country, Harry preferred to seek a scholars
deferment to attend a third rate school for girls in, of all places, Kansas.

On Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:37:29 AM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

Yeah, well, I'm not your "cop buddy" shooting, so I judge a firearm's

accuracy on its innate accuracy and my ability to shoot it accurately.

I'm not a fan of full auto fire. Waste of ammo.

Just like you're a waste of skin, pusbag.

On Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:49:45 AM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/30/14 7:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/30/14 12:04 AM, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:26 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:31:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend:



http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq



The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for.

Terrific

rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my

standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel. Much

more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles.



Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my

.223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR



http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot



===



I don't see anything about optics. Does it have a Weaver rail that

will acept a standard scope mount? Can the trigger be customized?



It does say "quad rail" so I assume they mean the forward hand guard

is a quad picatinny rail.

The good news it takes anything "Weaver" but it won't take a regular

.22 "tip off" scope unless you put longer screws on it.



I still do not see the allure of this kind of gun unless you are

channeling some Vietnam war fantasy.





The M&P 15-22 will accept a lot of AR "accessories" without modification

to either. I have a scope I use on mine with an "AR type" mount. The

front and rear sights that come standard with the rifle are the

removable AR sights that slide right on or off the rail. An AR

aftermarket trigger will drop in, as will an AR stock and an AR

handgrip. I changed the handgrip on mine to a Hogue model I like better.

I also installed an ambi safety. I still have the stock trigger, which

seems ok to me.



The "allure" to me was the rifle's light weight, ergonomics, accuracy

out of the box. It's easy for me to shoot it accurately off-hand. You'd

have to spend a lot of money on a Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot as

accurately off-hand as the M&P 15-22.



There are a ka-zillion different firearms out there. Obviously, allure

is in the mind of the beholder.





Here's a photo of mine:



http://tinyurl.com/m68gjgj



Shows scope, scope mount, Hogue grip, empty 25-round mag (with arrow for

my non-shooting friends..(as in, this part points towards the muzzle

when you load up ), right-hand side of ambi safety (just above and

to rear of trigger). Flash suppressor on barrel muzzle will be removed

when my sound suppressor paperwork comes back (takes two to three

months, I am told). Sometimes I fasten a red dot to the rails.

Where'd you steal that picture, asswipe?

LMAO.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/29/14 9:27 PM, Roger wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend:

http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq

The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for.
Terrific rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size
just like my standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in
diameter barrel. Much more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR
rifles.

Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my
.223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR

http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot
But it LOOKS like an ASSAULT rifle!! How do you know it's more
accurate than a 10/22?


Personal experience and the reports of literally hundreds of shooters,
including many who compete regularly. The Ruger 10/22's need all sorts
of add-on part$ to shoot accurately.

The day after I got mine, I was "killing" one liter empty soft drink
plastic bottles at 25 to 35 yards with iron sights and no modifications.

I own three 10/22's. The oldest is maybe 20 years old or better. I've
shot 4" diameter smiley faces in pumpkins from 100 feet with a cheap
scope. They are very accurate.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/30/14 12:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:26 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:31:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend:

http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq

The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for.
Terrific
rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just like my
standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel.
Much
more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles.

Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my
.223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR

http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot

===

I don't see anything about optics. Does it have a Weaver rail that
will acept a standard scope mount? Can the trigger be customized?

It does say "quad rail" so I assume they mean the forward hand guard
is a quad picatinny rail.
The good news it takes anything "Weaver" but it won't take a regular
.22 "tip off" scope unless you put longer screws on it.

I still do not see the allure of this kind of gun unless you are
channeling some Vietnam war fantasy.


The M&P 15-22 will accept a lot of AR "accessories" without
modification to either. I have a scope I use on mine with an "AR type"
mount. The front and rear sights that come standard with the rifle are
the removable AR sights that slide right on or off the rail. An AR
aftermarket trigger will drop in, as will an AR stock and an AR
handgrip. I changed the handgrip on mine to a Hogue model I like
better. I also installed an ambi safety. I still have the stock
trigger, which seems ok to me.

The "allure" to me was the rifle's light weight, ergonomics, accuracy
out of the box. It's easy for me to shoot it accurately off-hand.
You'd have to spend a lot of money on a Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot
as accurately off-hand as the M&P 15-22.

There are a ka-zillion different firearms out there. Obviously, allure
is in the mind of the beholder.

It certainly is.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/30/14 7:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/30/14 12:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:26 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:31:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

... .22LR rifle, PSA has a pretty good sale on these this weekend:

http://tinyurl.com/opnxuaq

The $299 price is $50 to $100 less than these usually sell for.
Terrific
rifle, very accurate right out of the box, looks and size just
like my
standard AR 15 other than the slightly smaller in diameter barrel.
Much
more accurate than the more common Ruger .22LR rifles.

Here's a snap of mags from each of the rifles, a 10-round PMAG for my
.223 Rem AR 15, and the 25-round S&W mag for the .22LR

http://tinyurl.com/otkdvot

===

I don't see anything about optics. Does it have a Weaver rail that
will acept a standard scope mount? Can the trigger be customized?

It does say "quad rail" so I assume they mean the forward hand guard
is a quad picatinny rail.
The good news it takes anything "Weaver" but it won't take a regular
.22 "tip off" scope unless you put longer screws on it.

I still do not see the allure of this kind of gun unless you are
channeling some Vietnam war fantasy.


The M&P 15-22 will accept a lot of AR "accessories" without modification
to either. I have a scope I use on mine with an "AR type" mount. The
front and rear sights that come standard with the rifle are the
removable AR sights that slide right on or off the rail. An AR
aftermarket trigger will drop in, as will an AR stock and an AR
handgrip. I changed the handgrip on mine to a Hogue model I like better.
I also installed an ambi safety. I still have the stock trigger, which
seems ok to me.

The "allure" to me was the rifle's light weight, ergonomics, accuracy
out of the box. It's easy for me to shoot it accurately off-hand. You'd
have to spend a lot of money on a Ruger 10/22 to get it to shoot as
accurately off-hand as the M&P 15-22.

There are a ka-zillion different firearms out there. Obviously, allure
is in the mind of the beholder.


Here's a photo of mine:

http://tinyurl.com/m68gjgj

Shows scope, scope mount, Hogue grip, empty 25-round mag (with arrow
for my non-shooting friends..(as in, this part points towards the
muzzle when you load up ), right-hand side of ambi safety (just
above and to rear of trigger). Flash suppressor on barrel muzzle will
be removed when my sound suppressor paperwork comes back (takes two to
three months, I am told). Sometimes I fasten a red dot to the rails.




The arrows are for your non-shooting friends? Do you lend out your
firearms? Why do you want a suppressor for a .22LR?

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:42:08 -0400, BAR wrote:



I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing.
I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle.
I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600
rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds

There is always the AR-15's Daddy, the AR-10.

That is just taking an inferior idea and expanding to a Russian
slightly better idea. Look at the sturmgewehr, where this reduced
power round came from.

Buy an M1A and get on with your life ... out to 1000 yards.

The original AR was a 308. That is what the AR-10 is. Is nice with every
thing in line with the shoulder to reduce climb between shots.

wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:16:49 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 8/30/2014 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:00:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Another of our weird regs concerns AR-15s. If you buy one fully
assembled, it has to be one of only a couple of HBAR models. You can,
however, buy a fully assembled lower.

I guess I just never had the "black gun" thing.
I like wood and full power 30 cal if I am buying a center fire rifle.
I understand the attraction for the military but I am not packing 600
rounds into a fire fight, nor is my intent to inflict grievous wounds

I wonder what Harry's need for or attraction to military weaponry is?
Back in the sixties when Uncle Sam would have appreciated him picking up
a gun and serving his country, Harry preferred to seek a scholars
deferment to attend a third rate school for girls in, of all places, Kansas.

My point exactly. He could have stepped up and they would have given
him a M16-A1 and let him shoot gooks with it. Now he lives that life
vicariously shooting Evian bottles.

He would have been one of two things in the service. Clerk, or paper
pusher or cannon fodder. That liberal arts degree would not get a skilled
position. Why I got to fix radar on airplanes instead of jungle fighting.
Had skills that counted.