On 8/28/14 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:00:25 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:25:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Not that I have anyone in particular in mind.

Krause will be all over that, lying in his answers to every question.

http://time.com/3136687/narcissist-quiz/


I suppose a lot would have to do with if you are answering about how
you act at work and how you are in your private life.


That's a weird answer, but, then, I didn't bother with Yellowstreak's or
Racist's URL.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:59:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:00:25 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:25:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Not that I have anyone in particular in mind.

Krause will be all over that, lying in his answers to every question.

http://time.com/3136687/narcissist-quiz/


I suppose a lot would have to do with if you are answering about how
you act at work and how you are in your private life.


That's a weird answer, but, then, I didn't bother with Yellowstreak's or
Racist's URL.

Then you have no point of reference, why even bother answering?

My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more
assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your
private life.
In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".

But not Krause!

On 8/28/14 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:02:09 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400, wrote:


My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more
assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your
private life.
In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".

But not Krause!

Yup, if you are a union member you are, by definition, labor (not
management) and you just get in line, keep your ideas to yourself and
wait for your automatic promotions and raises.
Being better trumped by time in grade. If you have a lot of initiative
and self esteem, they will bludgeon it out of you.



Your assumptions, as usual, are wrong. And I doubt Herring has the
skills, strength, stamina, or brains to hold down even a hod carrier's
job in the construction trades. You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.

On Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:58:25 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 1:14 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:02:09 -0400, Poco Loco

wrote:



On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400, wrote:





My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more

assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your

private life.

In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".



But not Krause!



Yup, if you are a union member you are, by definition, labor (not

management) and you just get in line, keep your ideas to yourself and

wait for your automatic promotions and raises.

Being better trumped by time in grade. If you have a lot of initiative

and self esteem, they will bludgeon it out of you.







Your assumptions, as usual, are wrong. And I doubt Herring has the

skills, strength, stamina, or brains to hold down even a hod carrier's

job in the construction trades. You might be able to hold down a job as

a punch-list guy, maybe.

Your assertions, as usual, are BS. I've worked alongside many union tradesmen over the years. There were a few that were as good as non-union. Most were just average. The difference is that there were also a fair amount that were mouthbreathers that had barely scraped by getting in, but now that they were in they were set for life. Unlike in non-union shops, where they could be ****-canned for lack of performance.

Performing a union job is absolutely nothing special. There is no incentive to perform beyond the lowest common denominator. In fact, doing so will get you "short-sheeted" by your coworkers, eh? Don't you dare stand out and make the rest look bad. They've "fought hard" to get what they have, if you consider coercion and thuggery as fighting hard.

On 8/28/2014 2:27 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:58:25 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 1:14 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:02:09 -0400, Poco Loco

wrote:



On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400, wrote:





My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more

assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your

private life.

In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".



But not Krause!



Yup, if you are a union member you are, by definition, labor (not

management) and you just get in line, keep your ideas to yourself and

wait for your automatic promotions and raises.

Being better trumped by time in grade. If you have a lot of initiative

and self esteem, they will bludgeon it out of you.







Your assumptions, as usual, are wrong. And I doubt Herring has the

skills, strength, stamina, or brains to hold down even a hod carrier's

job in the construction trades. You might be able to hold down a job as

a punch-list guy, maybe.

Your assertions, as usual, are BS. I've worked alongside many union tradesmen over the years. There were a few that were as good as non-union. Most were just average. The difference is that there were also a fair amount that were mouthbreathers that had barely scraped by getting in, but now that they were in they were set for life. Unlike in non-union shops, where they could be ****-canned for lack of performance.

Performing a union job is absolutely nothing special. There is no incentive to perform beyond the lowest common denominator. In fact, doing so will get you "short-sheeted" by your coworkers, eh? Don't you dare stand out and make the rest look bad. They've "fought hard" to get what they have, if you consider coercion and thuggery as fighting hard.


You got that right... They told me to slow down, or they would take me out.

On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

On Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:30:54 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:

Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.


I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

None of those are special union skills. The only specialized union skill is how to sandbag your own productivity without being obvious.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:30:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

===

None of those skills are particularly difficult to learn for someone
who is moderately intelligent, motivated and reasonably fit.

I guess that leaves you out.

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.

On 8/28/2014 3:25 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:30:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

===

None of those skills are particularly difficult to learn for someone
who is moderately intelligent, motivated and reasonably fit.

I guess that leaves you out.

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.


That's why he sucks up to the Apple genius.

On 8/28/2014 4:25 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:30:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

===

None of those skills are particularly difficult to learn for someone
who is moderately intelligent, motivated and reasonably fit.

I guess that leaves you out.

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.


or can read the side of the box....