On Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:58:25 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 1:14 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:02:09 -0400, Poco Loco

wrote:



On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400, wrote:





My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more

assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your

private life.

In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".



But not Krause!



Yup, if you are a union member you are, by definition, labor (not

management) and you just get in line, keep your ideas to yourself and

wait for your automatic promotions and raises.

Being better trumped by time in grade. If you have a lot of initiative

and self esteem, they will bludgeon it out of you.







Your assumptions, as usual, are wrong. And I doubt Herring has the

skills, strength, stamina, or brains to hold down even a hod carrier's

job in the construction trades. You might be able to hold down a job as

a punch-list guy, maybe.

Your assertions, as usual, are BS. I've worked alongside many union tradesmen over the years. There were a few that were as good as non-union. Most were just average. The difference is that there were also a fair amount that were mouthbreathers that had barely scraped by getting in, but now that they were in they were set for life. Unlike in non-union shops, where they could be ****-canned for lack of performance.

Performing a union job is absolutely nothing special. There is no incentive to perform beyond the lowest common denominator. In fact, doing so will get you "short-sheeted" by your coworkers, eh? Don't you dare stand out and make the rest look bad. They've "fought hard" to get what they have, if you consider coercion and thuggery as fighting hard.