On Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:30:54 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:

Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.


I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

None of those are special union skills. The only specialized union skill is how to sandbag your own productivity without being obvious.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:30:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

===

None of those skills are particularly difficult to learn for someone
who is moderately intelligent, motivated and reasonably fit.

I guess that leaves you out.

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.

On 8/28/2014 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.


Krause is an extremely poor judge of...........everything that matters
to anyone.

On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?

On 8/28/2014 3:25 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:30:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

===

None of those skills are particularly difficult to learn for someone
who is moderately intelligent, motivated and reasonably fit.

I guess that leaves you out.

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.


That's why he sucks up to the Apple genius.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:58:32 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?

I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.

On 8/28/14 6:42 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:58:32 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?

I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.



You would certainly be the "go to" guy for jobs requiring no useful
skills, but mixing a bag of sakcrete was not what I was describing. And,
actually, carrying or lifting 40 to 50 pound block all day long does
require some training so that you don't injure yourself or others. But,
as I said previously, you don't have the skills to qualify as a hod
carrier.

On Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:44:41 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:





You would certainly be the "go to" guy for jobs requiring no useful

skills, but mixing a bag of sakcrete was not what I was describing. And,

actually, carrying or lifting 40 to 50 pound block all day long does

require some training so that you don't injure yourself or others. But,

as I said previously, you don't have the skills to qualify as a hod

carrier.

Too bad " blocks " ...DONT weigh 40 to 50 pounds, but I'm sure a Union drudge like you would imagine they do.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 6:42 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:58:32 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?

I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not
require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing
directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.



You would certainly be the "go to" guy for jobs requiring no useful
skills, but mixing a bag of sakcrete was not what I was describing. And,
actually, carrying or lifting 40 to 50 pound block all day long does
require some training so that you don't injure yourself or others. But,
as I said previously, you don't have the skills to qualify as a hod carrier.

Does not take a union card to be able weld nuclear plant tubes. About 6
months training. My brother did weld on a nuclear plant, and that is after
a couple months navy schooling. He was able to weld before joining the
service, you can go to my local JC and take a 2 year welding course and
get certified. Not union.

On 8/28/2014 2:27 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:58:25 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 1:14 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:02:09 -0400, Poco Loco

wrote:



On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400, wrote:





My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more

assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your

private life.

In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".



But not Krause!



Yup, if you are a union member you are, by definition, labor (not

management) and you just get in line, keep your ideas to yourself and

wait for your automatic promotions and raises.

Being better trumped by time in grade. If you have a lot of initiative

and self esteem, they will bludgeon it out of you.







Your assumptions, as usual, are wrong. And I doubt Herring has the

skills, strength, stamina, or brains to hold down even a hod carrier's

job in the construction trades. You might be able to hold down a job as

a punch-list guy, maybe.

Your assertions, as usual, are BS. I've worked alongside many union tradesmen over the years. There were a few that were as good as non-union. Most were just average. The difference is that there were also a fair amount that were mouthbreathers that had barely scraped by getting in, but now that they were in they were set for life. Unlike in non-union shops, where they could be ****-canned for lack of performance.

Performing a union job is absolutely nothing special. There is no incentive to perform beyond the lowest common denominator. In fact, doing so will get you "short-sheeted" by your coworkers, eh? Don't you dare stand out and make the rest look bad. They've "fought hard" to get what they have, if you consider coercion and thuggery as fighting hard.


You got that right... They told me to slow down, or they would take me out.