Federal officials investigating missing semi-automatic rifles
Published August 18, 2014
Associated Press
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DES PLAINES, Ill. – Federal officials are investigating after two
semi-automatic rifles given to the Des Plaines police department more
than a decade ago were discovered missing.

The (Arlington Heights) Daily Herald reports the agency that manages the
Defense Department's surplus property program referred the matter to its
Office of the Inspector General.

Police Chief Bill Kushner says the department will cooperate "in every
possible way."

Des Plaines received a pair of M-16A1 rifles in 2002 through a
Department of Defense program that supplies local law enforcement with
surplus military equipment.

The police department reported the rifles missing in January after a
required weapons inventory.

Kushner said records keeping between 2007 and 2013 was "so muddled and
virtually nonexistent" it's been impossible to determine who used the
guns and how they were lost.

- - -

I'm not sure about this, but I think the M-16A1's are not *semi*
automatic. Why would the cops in a mostly German/Polish suburb of
Chicago like Des Plaines need full auto rifles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOUiohaZ7CY

On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:58:24 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:


SCREW OFF YOU USELESS BAG OF DOG****.

On 8/20/14 12:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:58:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Federal officials investigating missing semi-automatic rifles
Published August 18, 2014
Associated Press
Facebook146 Twitter302

DES PLAINES, Ill. – Federal officials are investigating after two
semi-automatic rifles given to the Des Plaines police department more
than a decade ago were discovered missing.

The (Arlington Heights) Daily Herald reports the agency that manages the
Defense Department's surplus property program referred the matter to its
Office of the Inspector General.

Police Chief Bill Kushner says the department will cooperate "in every
possible way."

Des Plaines received a pair of M-16A1 rifles in 2002 through a
Department of Defense program that supplies local law enforcement with
surplus military equipment.

The police department reported the rifles missing in January after a
required weapons inventory.

Kushner said records keeping between 2007 and 2013 was "so muddled and
virtually nonexistent" it's been impossible to determine who used the
guns and how they were lost.

- - -

I'm not sure about this, but I think the M-16A1's are not *semi*
automatic. Why would the cops in a mostly German/Polish suburb of
Chicago like Des Plaines need full auto rifles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOUiohaZ7CY

You can convert this to semi auto fairly easily by dropping AR15 parts
in it but it is just as easy to convert it back. BATF is not tricked.
This is still a Class III machine gun, no matter what sear and
selector is in it.
Unlike mere mortals, the cops can have all the NFA weapons they want,
even new manufacture and restored "de-mils".
That is how guys like "sons of guns" (TV show) does the stuff they
do.,



I know. The point, though, is that I don't think it is a good idea for
the cops to be so militarized. They're not that well-trained, they tend
to shoot first and never worry about "the questions," and why the hell
do they need full auto weaponry and the other military crap they are
getting.

I can see equipping a senior police officer's vehicle with a full auto
weapon, maybe.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:37:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/20/14 12:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:58:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Federal officials investigating missing semi-automatic rifles
Published August 18, 2014
Associated Press
Facebook146 Twitter302

DES PLAINES, Ill. – Federal officials are investigating after two
semi-automatic rifles given to the Des Plaines police department more
than a decade ago were discovered missing.

The (Arlington Heights) Daily Herald reports the agency that manages the
Defense Department's surplus property program referred the matter to its
Office of the Inspector General.

Police Chief Bill Kushner says the department will cooperate "in every
possible way."

Des Plaines received a pair of M-16A1 rifles in 2002 through a
Department of Defense program that supplies local law enforcement with
surplus military equipment.

The police department reported the rifles missing in January after a
required weapons inventory.

Kushner said records keeping between 2007 and 2013 was "so muddled and
virtually nonexistent" it's been impossible to determine who used the
guns and how they were lost.

- - -

I'm not sure about this, but I think the M-16A1's are not *semi*
automatic. Why would the cops in a mostly German/Polish suburb of
Chicago like Des Plaines need full auto rifles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOUiohaZ7CY

You can convert this to semi auto fairly easily by dropping AR15 parts
in it but it is just as easy to convert it back. BATF is not tricked.
This is still a Class III machine gun, no matter what sear and
selector is in it.
Unlike mere mortals, the cops can have all the NFA weapons they want,
even new manufacture and restored "de-mils".
That is how guys like "sons of guns" (TV show) does the stuff they
do.,



I know. The point, though, is that I don't think it is a good idea for
the cops to be so militarized. They're not that well-trained, they tend
to shoot first and never worry about "the questions," and why the hell
do they need full auto weaponry and the other military crap they are
getting.

I can see equipping a senior police officer's vehicle with a full auto
weapon, maybe.

===

The police need protection from tax cheats.

On 8/20/2014 7:36 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:37:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/20/14 12:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:58:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Federal officials investigating missing semi-automatic rifles
Published August 18, 2014
Associated Press
Facebook146 Twitter302

DES PLAINES, Ill. – Federal officials are investigating after two
semi-automatic rifles given to the Des Plaines police department more
than a decade ago were discovered missing.

The (Arlington Heights) Daily Herald reports the agency that manages the
Defense Department's surplus property program referred the matter to its
Office of the Inspector General.

Police Chief Bill Kushner says the department will cooperate "in every
possible way."

Des Plaines received a pair of M-16A1 rifles in 2002 through a
Department of Defense program that supplies local law enforcement with
surplus military equipment.

The police department reported the rifles missing in January after a
required weapons inventory.

Kushner said records keeping between 2007 and 2013 was "so muddled and
virtually nonexistent" it's been impossible to determine who used the
guns and how they were lost.

- - -

I'm not sure about this, but I think the M-16A1's are not *semi*
automatic. Why would the cops in a mostly German/Polish suburb of
Chicago like Des Plaines need full auto rifles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOUiohaZ7CY

You can convert this to semi auto fairly easily by dropping AR15 parts
in it but it is just as easy to convert it back. BATF is not tricked.
This is still a Class III machine gun, no matter what sear and
selector is in it.
Unlike mere mortals, the cops can have all the NFA weapons they want,
even new manufacture and restored "de-mils".
That is how guys like "sons of guns" (TV show) does the stuff they
do.,



I know. The point, though, is that I don't think it is a good idea for
the cops to be so militarized. They're not that well-trained, they tend
to shoot first and never worry about "the questions," and why the hell
do they need full auto weaponry and the other military crap they are
getting.

I can see equipping a senior police officer's vehicle with a full auto
weapon, maybe.

===

The police need protection from tax cheats.

Heavily armed tax cheats with the finest weaponry that money can buy. ;-)

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

On 8/20/14 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:37:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I know. The point, though, is that I don't think it is a good idea for
the cops to be so militarized. They're not that well-trained, they tend
to shoot first and never worry about "the questions," and why the hell
do they need full auto weaponry and the other military crap they are
getting.

I can see equipping a senior police officer's vehicle with a full auto
weapon, maybe.

I still would ask "why".
I doubt there have been a half dozen situations in the last several
decades that justified full auto fire. In fact I really can't think of
ONE.
This all came out of the bank robbery in LA where the bad guys had
automatic weapons but the most effective defense would have been
snipers with some modicum of skill and .308s with AP ammo. Spraying
the neighborhood with largely ineffective fire doesn't solve anything.

There was a study done in the 50s by LAPD where they compared cops
with shotguns and Thompsons (the go to submachine gun at the time)
The cops got more hits with shotgun pellets than they did with 45
rounds from the Thompson (throwing them 12 at a time).
That is why the 12ga was the standard backup gun in cop cars until the
80s.
This has more to do with the TV show "Miami Vice"
than it does any real law enforcement need.


I tried a "real" full auto machine gun once at a range in Kansas, and I
know someone with the bumpfire stock for his S&W M&P 15-22 which I might
try, but I really don't see the attraction of full auto fire outside of
a hot *real* war zone. Even .22LR ammo at five cents a round is a waste
of money and ammo in full auto.

The ammo gods were with me this week. I "scored" three 300-round boxes
of CCI .22LR "AR Tactical" for $24 a box from Cabelas. They look just
like the overpriced mini-mags, but are a hair lighter in the powder charge.

Bought a Silencerco Sparrow. My local FFL/Gunsmith says the paperwork is
taking about three months these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USRF4JA-eEU

On 8/20/2014 9:53 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/20/14 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:37:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I know. The point, though, is that I don't think it is a good idea for
the cops to be so militarized. They're not that well-trained, they tend
to shoot first and never worry about "the questions," and why the hell
do they need full auto weaponry and the other military crap they are
getting.

I can see equipping a senior police officer's vehicle with a full auto
weapon, maybe.

I still would ask "why".
I doubt there have been a half dozen situations in the last several
decades that justified full auto fire. In fact I really can't think of
ONE.
This all came out of the bank robbery in LA where the bad guys had
automatic weapons but the most effective defense would have been
snipers with some modicum of skill and .308s with AP ammo. Spraying
the neighborhood with largely ineffective fire doesn't solve anything.

There was a study done in the 50s by LAPD where they compared cops
with shotguns and Thompsons (the go to submachine gun at the time)
The cops got more hits with shotgun pellets than they did with 45
rounds from the Thompson (throwing them 12 at a time).
That is why the 12ga was the standard backup gun in cop cars until the
80s.
This has more to do with the TV show "Miami Vice"
than it does any real law enforcement need.


I tried a "real" full auto machine gun once at a range in Kansas, and
I know someone with the bumpfire stock for his S&W M&P 15-22 which I
might try, but I really don't see the attraction of full auto fire
outside of a hot *real* war zone. Even .22LR ammo at five cents a
round is a waste of money and ammo in full auto.

The ammo gods were with me this week. I "scored" three 300-round boxes
of CCI .22LR "AR Tactical" for $24 a box from Cabelas. They look just
like the overpriced mini-mags, but are a hair lighter in the powder
charge.

Bought a Silencerco Sparrow. My local FFL/Gunsmith says the paperwork
is taking about three months these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USRF4JA-eEU
Why would you want a silencer.
Possible answer: Because all your thug buddies have them?

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:17:06 PM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:

Why would you want a silencer.

Possible answer: Because all your thug buddies have the

He wants everyone here to THINK he has one. In reality, it's just another lie.

H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 8/20/2014 7:36 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:37:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/20/14 12:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:58:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Federal officials investigating missing semi-automatic rifles
Published August 18, 2014
Associated Press
Facebook146 Twitter302

DES PLAINES, Ill. – Federal officials are investigating after two
semi-automatic rifles given to the Des Plaines police department more
than a decade ago were discovered missing.

The (Arlington Heights) Daily Herald reports the agency that
manages the
Defense Department's surplus property program referred the matter
to its
Office of the Inspector General.

Police Chief Bill Kushner says the department will cooperate "in
every
possible way."

Des Plaines received a pair of M-16A1 rifles in 2002 through a
Department of Defense program that supplies local law enforcement
with
surplus military equipment.

The police department reported the rifles missing in January after a
required weapons inventory.

Kushner said records keeping between 2007 and 2013 was "so muddled
and
virtually nonexistent" it's been impossible to determine who used the
guns and how they were lost.

- - -

I'm not sure about this, but I think the M-16A1's are not *semi*
automatic. Why would the cops in a mostly German/Polish suburb of
Chicago like Des Plaines need full auto rifles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOUiohaZ7CY

You can convert this to semi auto fairly easily by dropping AR15 parts
in it but it is just as easy to convert it back. BATF is not tricked.
This is still a Class III machine gun, no matter what sear and
selector is in it.
Unlike mere mortals, the cops can have all the NFA weapons they want,
even new manufacture and restored "de-mils".
That is how guys like "sons of guns" (TV show) does the stuff they
do.,



I know. The point, though, is that I don't think it is a good idea for
the cops to be so militarized. They're not that well-trained, they tend
to shoot first and never worry about "the questions," and why the hell
do they need full auto weaponry and the other military crap they are
getting.

I can see equipping a senior police officer's vehicle with a full auto
weapon, maybe.

===

The police need protection from tax cheats.

Heavily armed tax cheats with the finest weaponry that money can buy. ;-)

And computers, lawn mowers, decks, generators, and - imaginary boats!

On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 20:24:36 -0400, Earl
wrote:

H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 8/20/2014 7:36 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:37:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/20/14 12:12 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:58:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Federal officials investigating missing semi-automatic rifles
Published August 18, 2014
Associated Press
Facebook146 Twitter302

DES PLAINES, Ill. – Federal officials are investigating after two
semi-automatic rifles given to the Des Plaines police department more
than a decade ago were discovered missing.

The (Arlington Heights) Daily Herald reports the agency that
manages the
Defense Department's surplus property program referred the matter
to its
Office of the Inspector General.

Police Chief Bill Kushner says the department will cooperate "in
every
possible way."

Des Plaines received a pair of M-16A1 rifles in 2002 through a
Department of Defense program that supplies local law enforcement
with
surplus military equipment.

The police department reported the rifles missing in January after a
required weapons inventory.

Kushner said records keeping between 2007 and 2013 was "so muddled
and
virtually nonexistent" it's been impossible to determine who used the
guns and how they were lost.

- - -

I'm not sure about this, but I think the M-16A1's are not *semi*
automatic. Why would the cops in a mostly German/Polish suburb of
Chicago like Des Plaines need full auto rifles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOUiohaZ7CY

You can convert this to semi auto fairly easily by dropping AR15 parts
in it but it is just as easy to convert it back. BATF is not tricked.
This is still a Class III machine gun, no matter what sear and
selector is in it.
Unlike mere mortals, the cops can have all the NFA weapons they want,
even new manufacture and restored "de-mils".
That is how guys like "sons of guns" (TV show) does the stuff they
do.,



I know. The point, though, is that I don't think it is a good idea for
the cops to be so militarized. They're not that well-trained, they tend
to shoot first and never worry about "the questions," and why the hell
do they need full auto weaponry and the other military crap they are
getting.

I can see equipping a senior police officer's vehicle with a full auto
weapon, maybe.

===

The police need protection from tax cheats.

Heavily armed tax cheats with the finest weaponry that money can buy. ;-)

And computers, lawn mowers, decks, generators, and - imaginary boats!

===

If you don't pay your taxes there's just no end of things you can buy,
for a while anyway.