F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 13 Aug 2014 16:17:05 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Harry is schizophrenic in this regard. On the one hand he touts
college for everyone and then he talks about how wonderful the
training is in the trade unions.

I tend to agree that some of the best job opportunities will lie in
the trades.

I know a lot of guys in skilled trades with four year college degrees.

That doesn't say much for the education then does it.

D'oh. Most of them got their degrees while working in the trades. You
know...intellectual pursuits. Close friend, a plumber, just got an M.A. in
philosophy. Apparently not everyone is satisfied ossifying mentally in SW
Florida.

And that liberal arts degree did what for his income? Is a hobby only.

On 8/13/14, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 13 Aug 2014 16:17:05 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Harry is schizophrenic in this regard. On the one hand he touts
college for everyone and then he talks about how wonderful the
training is in the trade unions.

I tend to agree that some of the best job opportunities will lie in
the trades.

I know a lot of guys in skilled trades with four year college degrees.

That doesn't say much for the education then does it.

D'oh. Most of them got their degrees while working in the trades. You
know...intellectual pursuits. Close friend, a plumber, just got an M.A. in
philosophy. Apparently not everyone is satisfied ossifying mentally in SW
Florida.

And that liberal arts degree did what for his income? Is a hobby only.



and once again you display your utter ignorance...

Califbill wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
Califbill wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:00:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:18:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Meanwhile, unskilled jobs will continue to decline. Higher education
will continue to be a prime prerequisite for those jobs that exist even
in small businesses. The days of expecting middle class wages and
enjoying a middle class lifestyle with nothing more than a high school
diploma are over.


===

I understand your point and half agree with your conclusion. There's
no question that skills are the key to a good job and competetive
compensation but there will always be people who manage to acquire
those skills in non-traditional ways. Additionally, there are
certains skills that have almost always been acquired through on the
job training and hard work. I'm thinking specifically of contractors,
electricians, cabinet makers, finish carpenters, specialty welders,
small business owners, oil field workers, etc.
Harry is schizophrenic in this regard. On the one hand he touts
college for everyone and then he talks about how wonderful the
training is in the trade unions.

I tend to agree that some of the best job opportunities will lie in
the trades.
I know a lot of guys in skilled trades with four year college degrees.
Found out an English lit degree could not feed the family?
Most of my liberal arts grad friends who have salaried jobs are earning mid
to high six figures...more than you ever earned in salary.

Jealous of those friends? And you have no idea of my salaried years! And
your friends, like your boat, are not typical.

Or real.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 8/13/14, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 13 Aug 2014 16:17:05 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Harry is schizophrenic in this regard. On the one hand he touts
college for everyone and then he talks about how wonderful the
training is in the trade unions.

I tend to agree that some of the best job opportunities will lie in
the trades.

I know a lot of guys in skilled trades with four year college degrees.

That doesn't say much for the education then does it.

D'oh. Most of them got their degrees while working in the trades. You
know...intellectual pursuits. Close friend, a plumber, just got an M.A. in
philosophy. Apparently not everyone is satisfied ossifying mentally in SW
Florida.

And that liberal arts degree did what for his income? Is a hobby only.



and once again you display your utter ignorance...

Bull****! He is a plumber. Does not need an M.A. In philosophy. So is a
hobby degree. How much did the tax payers kick in for his degree? I take
some fun courses at the local college sometimes. Art welding, music. They
are all for my entertainment. And the tax payers help pay for my
entertainment. But since I pay my taxes unlike some, maybe it is just
using my own tax money. I do not have a problem with a plumber getting a
degree, I have a problem with you stating that it is part of his job
performance. All the plumber needs to know is **** runs downhill, and
water, depending on the pressure, will go above ground level. And he needs
to know is how to make the connections good and what the building code is
for his area.

Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 8/13/14, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 13 Aug 2014 16:17:05 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Harry is schizophrenic in this regard. On the one hand he touts
college for everyone and then he talks about how wonderful the
training is in the trade unions.

I tend to agree that some of the best job opportunities will lie in
the trades.

I know a lot of guys in skilled trades with four year college degrees.

That doesn't say much for the education then does it.

D'oh. Most of them got their degrees while working in the trades. You
know...intellectual pursuits. Close friend, a plumber, just got an M.A. in
philosophy. Apparently not everyone is satisfied ossifying mentally in SW
Florida.

And that liberal arts degree did what for his income? Is a hobby only.



and once again you display your utter ignorance...

Bull****! He is a plumber. Does not need an M.A. In philosophy. So is a
hobby degree. How much did the tax payers kick in for his degree? I take
some fun courses at the local college sometimes. Art welding, music. They
are all for my entertainment. And the tax payers help pay for my
entertainment. But since I pay my taxes unlike some, maybe it is just
using my own tax money. I do not have a problem with a plumber getting a
degree, I have a problem with you stating that it is part of his job
performance. All the plumber needs to know is **** runs downhill, and
water, depending on the pressure, will go above ground level. And he needs
to know is how to make the connections good and what the building code is
for his area.

Unlike you, the plumber in question is a thinker. I never said it was part
of his job. Part of your problem is that you don't understand what you
read. 😀
--
Posted from my iPhone

F.O.A.D. wrote:
Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 8/13/14, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 13 Aug 2014 16:17:05 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Harry is schizophrenic in this regard. On the one hand he touts
college for everyone and then he talks about how wonderful the
training is in the trade unions.

I tend to agree that some of the best job opportunities will lie in
the trades.

I know a lot of guys in skilled trades with four year college degrees.

That doesn't say much for the education then does it.

D'oh. Most of them got their degrees while working in the trades. You
know...intellectual pursuits. Close friend, a plumber, just got an M.A. in
philosophy. Apparently not everyone is satisfied ossifying mentally in SW
Florida.

And that liberal arts degree did what for his income? Is a hobby only.



and once again you display your utter ignorance...

Bull****! He is a plumber. Does not need an M.A. In philosophy. So is a
hobby degree. How much did the tax payers kick in for his degree? I take
some fun courses at the local college sometimes. Art welding, music. They
are all for my entertainment. And the tax payers help pay for my
entertainment. But since I pay my taxes unlike some, maybe it is just
using my own tax money. I do not have a problem with a plumber getting a
degree, I have a problem with you stating that it is part of his job
performance. All the plumber needs to know is **** runs downhill, and
water, depending on the pressure, will go above ground level. And he needs
to know is how to make the connections good and what the building code is
for his area.

Unlike you, the plumber in question is a thinker. I never said it was part
of his job. Part of your problem is that you don't understand what you
read. 😀

You do not understand what you write.

BAR wrote:
In article 1665186019429651526.492762bmckeenospam-
, says...

F.O.A.D. wrote:
Califbill wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:00:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:18:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Meanwhile, unskilled jobs will continue to decline. Higher education
will continue to be a prime prerequisite for those jobs that exist even
in small businesses. The days of expecting middle class wages and
enjoying a middle class lifestyle with nothing more than a high school
diploma are over.



===

I understand your point and half agree with your conclusion. There's
no question that skills are the key to a good job and competetive
compensation but there will always be people who manage to acquire
those skills in non-traditional ways. Additionally, there are
certains skills that have almost always been acquired through on the
job training and hard work. I'm thinking specifically of contractors,
electricians, cabinet makers, finish carpenters, specialty welders,
small business owners, oil field workers, etc.

Harry is schizophrenic in this regard. On the one hand he touts
college for everyone and then he talks about how wonderful the
training is in the trade unions.

I tend to agree that some of the best job opportunities will lie in
the trades.

I know a lot of guys in skilled trades with four year college degrees.

Found out an English lit degree could not feed the family?

Most of my liberal arts grad friends who have salaried jobs are earning mid
to high six figures...more than you ever earned in salary.


Jealous of those friends? And you have no idea of my salaried years! And
your friends, like your boat, are not typical.

Salaried jobs are not in the mid to high six figures. Most of those jobs
are where performance bonus's get you above 300K.

Maybe they are Goldman Sackus workers? There are mid to high 6 figure
salaries around here. But most are senior VP and above positions. In the
high tech jobs. I doubt most of those go to an English lit graduate.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:38:38 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:28:59 -0400, BAR wrote:


No argument from me on that. People always riot and loot when things
don't go their way.

I want to know why they don't go to the rich people's neighborhoods and
riot and loot there? I would imagine they are lazy and can't be troubled
to take a few steps.

I am not sure about everywhere but they might find themselves
outgunned in a lot of those neighborhoods.

===

You bet, especially mine.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:03:13 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 12:37:54 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/13/2014 9:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:


There are two ways to respond to your assessment. The first is to cast
the blame on those who have been successful and demand a cut of the
fruits of their labor.

The second is to qualify oneself via training and education for the jobs
that exist in a highly competitive world ... that is only becoming
*more* competitive.

For most, the second route was drilled into us as youngsters. Unlike
today, we were never taught to "expect" it due to some societal right.
The required education may be acquired in many ways. It doesn't
necessarily require daddy's fat checkbook.

I'd also add that it often takes many years of work to rise to the
"middle class" financial category. Some people seem to think it's a
"right" and should start as soon as you become an adult. I didn't
achieve a "middle class" lifestyle until well into my 30's.

If you believe the assessment made by millionaire media and author
types, I never have.
There is a story floating around the talk shows now that you need
$150,000 for the basic necessities of life ... what bull****!

===

It depends on your life style and expectations. $150K sounds a bit
short to me but we probably live better than many.

On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:30:06 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:


History will reveal that labor unions and the liberalization of America
will be the cause of death of the once greatest nation on earth.

That needed to be quoted. :-)