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Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 31 July 2014 21:59:04 UTC-3, wrote: On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:52:41 PM UTC-4, True North wrote: Poor L'il Snottie doesn't realize that effective law enforcement is a good thing. One of the better uses of our tax dollars. Shut up stupid...he wasnt even talking to you. Ever notice how dickhead donnies replies all look just like his Masters (krause the slug) ?? I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective. How is the "law" ineffective? |
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Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
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Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
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Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
On Saturday, 2 August 2014 11:15:08 UTC-3, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl wrote: I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective. How is the "law" ineffective? Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better. === You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads if not for traffic enforcement. It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids". A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really contributing to safety that much. Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not drivers. In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little profiling. It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the process. If someone is going to run into me I'd rather they did it at the posted speed limit or lower, not 20 km above it. Up here you get hit with a 'stunting' charge if you're caught speeding at 50km above posted speed limits. (approx 30 mph) Usually the 1st fine is in the $2400.00 range http://autos.ca.msn.com/specials/roa...4319270&page=7 |
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Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
On 8/2/2014 10:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/2/14 10:55 AM, wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Saturday, 2 August 2014 11:15:08 UTC-3, wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl wrote: I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective. How is the "law" ineffective? Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better. === You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads if not for traffic enforcement. It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids". A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really contributing to safety that much. Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not drivers. In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little profiling. It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the process. If someone is going to run into me I'd rather they did it at the posted speed limit or lower, not 20 km above it. Up here you get hit with a 'stunting' charge if you're caught speeding at 50km above posted speed limits. (approx 30 mph) Usually the 1st fine is in the $2400.00 range http://autos.ca.msn.com/specials/roa...4319270&page=7 The question is who is more likely to hit you in the first place. My money is on a drunk or someone texting. A cop in the bushes with a radar gun probably won't catch either of them if they are within 10 MPH of the speed limit. Down here on Route 4 (you know it well), the most dangerous drivers after drunks are the teen-aged boys in their little muffler-less Hondas that mommy and daddy bought them. They drive recklessly and usually get themselves pulled over by the county's finest I thought you were the county's finest, no? -- "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them". Thomas Jefferson |
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Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
On 8/2/2014 10:22 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:10:13 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 10:15:08 -0400, wrote: In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little profiling. It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the process. === I agree with you on that. LCSO seems to be particularly adept in that department. I don't know about Estero but the cops in the Cape seem to catch a fair number of DWIs and red light violators. That's all good in my opinion. I wish they'd do more about noisy motorcycles and late night racing on the bridges however. There are also way too many LEO resources wasted on manatee enforcement in the river. Down here LCSO seems to be more interested in crime than traffic and that is a good thing. The problem with most of these efforts is it gets judged on production more than effectiveness. In that regard Maryland was much worse than anything I have seen here in Florida. They used to put 20 cops in one spot of the beltway and stop 20 cars, write them up as fast as they could, then stop 20 more. Everyone was speeding before they got to the speed trap and resumed speeding as soon as they passed it (knowing all the cops were there). It was purely revenue. The cops were ranked by how many tickets they could write in a day. They didn't do much else. Working a trap like this could get you 3 or 4 dozen in an 8 hour shift. They would have about half of the ticket filled out before you were caught. They just filled in the time, your info and the speed but it was usually 11 over, no matter how fast you were going. Show up in court and that was automatically reduced to 9 over (half the fine, half the points) if you would just pay it. Pure production at it's finest, not much about safety tho. Where I hang out in my boat, I seldom see any law enforcement. They are scared to come back here. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Local%20Knowledge.jpg It seems that Maryland cops are well trained to work the system and produce revenue. Wonder where they got their training? -- "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them". Thomas Jefferson |
#20
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Hey Dick! Seriously, read this... Pass it to your buds up there.
On 8/2/2014 10:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 08:33:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 00:43:10 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 20:49:20 -0400, Earl wrote: I rest my case, although I just wish the law was a little more effective. How is the "law" ineffective? Traffic laws have not really made the drivers any better. === You could argue that the laws don't make drivers better in the sense that their skills improve, but the laws certainly help keep them in check. I think you'd have a lot more reckless behavior on the roads if not for traffic enforcement. It is easy to argue that most accidents are caused by distracted driving, poor skills and intoxication. Most enforcement seems to be aimed at speeders, simply because that is far easier to detect and prosecute. In most places, state cops are just "speeder maids". A cop sitting in the bushes with a radar gun is not really contributing to safety that much. Most of the "laws" themselves are about equipment and emissions, not drivers. In a lot of places "traffic enforcement" is actually used as a means to conduct unconstitutional searches, involving more than a little profiling. It seems to be fairly productive, generating lots of non-traffic related arrests but a lot of innocent people are harassed in the process. I am quite aware of how the Eastern Mass Cops operate, from the little corrupt forces, right up to the State level... I got profiled all right.. I know he can't see in my truck, but he sure saw my CT plates |
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