On 7/26/14, 2:21 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:52:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/25/14, 8:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:25:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/25/14, 4:56 PM, Tim wrote:
But Harry, if your state has tougher gun laws than Virginia, then why does your state have double the murder rate per capita than Virginia ? http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...-state#MRalpha


Gee, Tim, why did Virginia have nearly as many gun murders (250) in 2010
as Maryland (293)?

Oh, I get it. You're playing the dumb stats game.

Maybe because Virginia has about 40% more people?
Would you want to compare your gun murder rate to Wyoming?


There have been any number of news stories over the years that discuss
the number of Maryland criminals who take advantage of the "paperless"
and "recordless" private sales of guns in Virginia. In fact, Virginia
has a well-deserved rep as *the* state on the East Coast where anyone
can buy about any firearm they want sans even the instant check.


All of those sales are illegal. Do you think that more laws would fix
it?


Are they? Apparently sales between individuals in Virginia are not
regulated. When I sold my SIG some years ago to a Virginia buyer, I
called the Virginia state police and was told point blank they didn't care.

This was the Virginia law a few years ago:


http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

What are the laws concerning the private sale of a handgun?

To privately sell a firearm, it is recommended that you safeguard
information pertaining to the transaction such as the date the firearm
was sold, the complete name and address of the buyer, and the make,
model, and serial number of the firearm. The seller and buyer of a
handgun must be a resident of the state in which the transfer occurs.
Additionally, Virginia’s handgun purchase limitation applies in private
transactions. Refer to http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Mul ...
chase.shtm for additional information on multiple handgun purchases.
Should the firearm ever be located at a crime scene, trace of the
firearm will determine the licensed dealer who last sold the firearm and
will identify the last buyer of the firearm. To have your name removed
from this process, you may consider placing your firearm on consignment
with a licensed dealer. This will also ensure that the firearm is
transferred only to a lawfully eligible individual.


Read mo
http://vagunforum.net/virginia-laws/...#ixzz38WztUrc4

You can be sure the non-dealers selling out of the back of their cars at
Virginia gun shows aren't verifying the statehood of their buyers beyond
asking whether they are residents of Virginia. It's not as if there is a
form.

If a private seller is going to violate a FEDERAL law about selling to
out of state buyers, why would a state law like you have in Maryland
deter them?
If the gun is stolen, as most crime guns are, the whole question is
ludicrous anyway.



D'oh. How is an individual seller at a Virginia gun show supposed to
know with certainly where a prospective buyer lives? There's no
paperwork or record-keeping requirement for these sales in Virginia.
"Yeah, he showed me a license."