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On 6/14/14, 5:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 5:39 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 3:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 12:07 PM, BAR wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 6/14/2014 11:14 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 11:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:



I don't shoot critters.


You swerve and run over people and critters.


No, Bilious, I don't swerve to run over people but I do swerve to
avoid
hitting a critter.


You already stated you broke a burglars legs via your truck.
Therefore you
swerve to run over people.


Yet another example of how what is left of your brain malfunctions.
What makes you think a "swerve" was involved? You just assumed
that. The
conclusions you draw from what is posted here usually are wrong.


You did not drive straight, or you would not have pinned the
burglar. As
usual, you are truth challenged.


We'll explain this for the terminally stupid...

The thief was in my garage, loading up his car with my stuff. When I
clicked on the opener in my truck, the garage door opened and the
thief
crossed from the passenger side of his car and over to the driver
side
of my truck. I drove straight forward and pinned him.

Do you need a diagram?



How courageous of you. Was he threatening you in any way?

If the theif was in Harry's garage loading up his, the theif's, car
with
Harry's stuff there shouldn't have been enough room in Harry's garage
for the theif's car and Harry's truck. Harry should be been charged
with
assault and battery, Harry was in a safe location, inside his truck,
and
Harry should have let the theif leave.



That's certainly what JPS would say.



Doubtful, because JPS would have remembered that I was outside the
garage when I engaged the garage door opener, and never stated I or my
truck were inside the garage. I pulled into the driveway and when I
opened the door, the thief's car was directly in front of me.




My comment had nothing to do with your truck being inside the garage,
nor was Bar's comment. Bar said, ".... Harry was in a safe location,
inside his truck, and Harry should have let the theif (sic) leave."

That's what prompted my comment about JPS. He has advocated on more
than one occasion that victims of crimes should just back off and let
the criminals do their dirty work.





Uh-huh. Why wouldn't there have been room in the garage for the thief's
car and my truck? And why would I have been charged with assault if the
thief was coming at me with a tire iron? Bert had no idea whether I was
or was not in a safe place.




--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

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On 6/14/14, 5:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 5:41 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 3:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 12:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 12:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 11:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:



I don't shoot critters.


You swerve and run over people and critters.


No, Bilious, I don't swerve to run over people but I do swerve to
avoid
hitting a critter.


You already stated you broke a burglars legs via your truck.
Therefore you
swerve to run over people.


Yet another example of how what is left of your brain malfunctions.
What makes you think a "swerve" was involved? You just assumed
that. The
conclusions you draw from what is posted here usually are wrong.


You did not drive straight, or you would not have pinned the
burglar. As
usual, you are truth challenged.


We'll explain this for the terminally stupid...

The thief was in my garage, loading up his car with my stuff. When I
clicked on the opener in my truck, the garage door opened and the
thief
crossed from the passenger side of his car and over to the driver
side of
my truck. I drove straight forward and pinned him.

Do you need a diagram?




Attempted murder? Assault by deadly weapon? If you had shot him in the
leg
with a 1/2 oz bullet jail time as he was not a danger to you. No you
attack with a 5000 pound bullet. You still steered the vehicle.



Nice wiggle, Bilious. He was coming at me with the same tire iron he
used to pry open the front door of the house. No steering or swerving
was involved. He got a 20-year sentence (he was involved in a lot of
break-ins and drug sales) and his girlfriend accomplice got a shorter
sentence for testifying against him.

I actually wrote to the prosecutor and objected to the length of the
sentence. Far too long.



Let me get this straight. A guy with a previous record of multiple
break-ins and drug sales breaks into your house/garage, starts loading
his vehicle with your stuff, threatens you with a tire iron and you
objected to the length of his prison sentence?


At the time, the prosecutors and judges in that area were handing out
7-1/2 year sentences for second degree murder. Remember, this was
Florida, where life is cheap. I thought 20 years for a burglar was
steep. Nowadays, of course, if you are white and in Florida, you can
shoot a black kid and not be found guilty.




According to you he wasn't "just" a burglar. He was also a drug dealer
with multiple records.



He gpt 20 years on the burglaries. I don't remember the details, but I
got a letter from the prosecutor. I had asked her why some of the
murderers she prosecuted got relatively short sentences.

Almost unique in the western world, we hand out astonishingly long
sentences to criminals. I wonder how much of that has to do with the
privatization of prisons and contractual requirements to keep the cells
filled.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Whoohooo!! Gun games!!!
 

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:59:09 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 22:11:14 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:29:19 -0400, wrote:

I did go look and Wash State has some real "nanny state" laws for new
drivers. I suspect the driving school lobby spent some money there.

===

That's OK with me. The more hoops that kids have to jump through
before they drive, the better. I rolled out the hoops one by one with
my kids and neither of them ever had a traffic violation or a serious
accident. My oldest had a fender bender and we conducted an
investigation and family hearing to determine if he should be
permitted to continue driving. I think it shook him up a bit and
taught him something.

I have no problem with making teenagers a little better drivers before
we turn them loose on society with a 4000 pound weapon.
All of this still avoids the problem with JP's statement that
something would be solved if these shooters were just a little better
shots.

Better shot? I don't think we have a lot of control over that but we
can teach people how to remain safe with a weapon, including how to
react to various circumstances, when it is or when it is not
advisable.

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On 6/14/14, 6:21 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:59:09 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 22:11:14 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:29:19 -0400, wrote:

I did go look and Wash State has some real "nanny state" laws for new
drivers. I suspect the driving school lobby spent some money there.

===

That's OK with me. The more hoops that kids have to jump through
before they drive, the better. I rolled out the hoops one by one with
my kids and neither of them ever had a traffic violation or a serious
accident. My oldest had a fender bender and we conducted an
investigation and family hearing to determine if he should be
permitted to continue driving. I think it shook him up a bit and
taught him something.

I have no problem with making teenagers a little better drivers before
we turn them loose on society with a 4000 pound weapon.
All of this still avoids the problem with JP's statement that
something would be solved if these shooters were just a little better
shots.

Better shot? I don't think we have a lot of control over that but we
can teach people how to remain safe with a weapon, including how to
react to various circumstances, when it is or when it is not
advisable.



There are some posters here on wrecked boats I wouldn't trust with an
eight-crayon box of Crayolas, let alone a working firearm.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

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On 6/14/2014 5:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 5:41 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 3:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 12:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 12:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 11:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:



I don't shoot critters.


You swerve and run over people and critters.


No, Bilious, I don't swerve to run over people but I do swerve to
avoid
hitting a critter.


You already stated you broke a burglars legs via your truck.
Therefore you
swerve to run over people.


Yet another example of how what is left of your brain malfunctions.
What makes you think a "swerve" was involved? You just assumed
that. The
conclusions you draw from what is posted here usually are wrong.


You did not drive straight, or you would not have pinned the
burglar. As
usual, you are truth challenged.


We'll explain this for the terminally stupid...

The thief was in my garage, loading up his car with my stuff. When I
clicked on the opener in my truck, the garage door opened and the
thief
crossed from the passenger side of his car and over to the driver
side of
my truck. I drove straight forward and pinned him.

Do you need a diagram?




Attempted murder? Assault by deadly weapon? If you had shot him in the
leg
with a 1/2 oz bullet jail time as he was not a danger to you. No you
attack with a 5000 pound bullet. You still steered the vehicle.



Nice wiggle, Bilious. He was coming at me with the same tire iron he
used to pry open the front door of the house. No steering or swerving
was involved. He got a 20-year sentence (he was involved in a lot of
break-ins and drug sales) and his girlfriend accomplice got a shorter
sentence for testifying against him.

I actually wrote to the prosecutor and objected to the length of the
sentence. Far too long.



Let me get this straight. A guy with a previous record of multiple
break-ins and drug sales breaks into your house/garage, starts loading
his vehicle with your stuff, threatens you with a tire iron and you
objected to the length of his prison sentence?


At the time, the prosecutors and judges in that area were handing out
7-1/2 year sentences for second degree murder. Remember, this was
Florida, where life is cheap. I thought 20 years for a burglar was
steep. Nowadays, of course, if you are white and in Florida, you can
shoot a black kid and not be found guilty.




According to you he wasn't "just" a burglar. He was also a drug dealer
with multiple records.


You have to remember that Harry has a soft spot for law breakers, having
broken a few himself.

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On 6/14/2014 5:55 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 5:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 5:39 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 3:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 12:07 PM, BAR wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 6/14/2014 11:14 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 11:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:



I don't shoot critters.


You swerve and run over people and critters.


No, Bilious, I don't swerve to run over people but I do
swerve to
avoid
hitting a critter.


You already stated you broke a burglars legs via your truck.
Therefore you
swerve to run over people.


Yet another example of how what is left of your brain
malfunctions.
What makes you think a "swerve" was involved? You just assumed
that. The
conclusions you draw from what is posted here usually are wrong.


You did not drive straight, or you would not have pinned the
burglar. As
usual, you are truth challenged.


We'll explain this for the terminally stupid...

The thief was in my garage, loading up his car with my stuff. When I
clicked on the opener in my truck, the garage door opened and the
thief
crossed from the passenger side of his car and over to the driver
side
of my truck. I drove straight forward and pinned him.

Do you need a diagram?



How courageous of you. Was he threatening you in any way?

If the theif was in Harry's garage loading up his, the theif's, car
with
Harry's stuff there shouldn't have been enough room in Harry's garage
for the theif's car and Harry's truck. Harry should be been charged
with
assault and battery, Harry was in a safe location, inside his truck,
and
Harry should have let the theif leave.



That's certainly what JPS would say.



Doubtful, because JPS would have remembered that I was outside the
garage when I engaged the garage door opener, and never stated I or my
truck were inside the garage. I pulled into the driveway and when I
opened the door, the thief's car was directly in front of me.




My comment had nothing to do with your truck being inside the garage,
nor was Bar's comment. Bar said, ".... Harry was in a safe location,
inside his truck, and Harry should have let the theif (sic) leave."

That's what prompted my comment about JPS. He has advocated on more
than one occasion that victims of crimes should just back off and let
the criminals do their dirty work.





Uh-huh. Why wouldn't there have been room in the garage for the thief's
car and my truck? And why would I have been charged with assault if the
thief was coming at me with a tire iron? Bert had no idea whether I was
or was not in a safe place.




Amazing that the guy had the presence of mind to carry the tire iron
around with him while he was helping himself to your stuff. Or that he
thought about where he left his tire iron and grabbed it at the time of
his discovery. Musta been a pretty cool cucumber.

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On 6/14/2014 6:14 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 5:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 5:41 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 3:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 12:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 12:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 11:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:



I don't shoot critters.


You swerve and run over people and critters.


No, Bilious, I don't swerve to run over people but I do
swerve to
avoid
hitting a critter.


You already stated you broke a burglars legs via your truck.
Therefore you
swerve to run over people.


Yet another example of how what is left of your brain
malfunctions.
What makes you think a "swerve" was involved? You just assumed
that. The
conclusions you draw from what is posted here usually are wrong.


You did not drive straight, or you would not have pinned the
burglar. As
usual, you are truth challenged.


We'll explain this for the terminally stupid...

The thief was in my garage, loading up his car with my stuff. When I
clicked on the opener in my truck, the garage door opened and the
thief
crossed from the passenger side of his car and over to the driver
side of
my truck. I drove straight forward and pinned him.

Do you need a diagram?




Attempted murder? Assault by deadly weapon? If you had shot him in
the
leg
with a 1/2 oz bullet jail time as he was not a danger to you. No you
attack with a 5000 pound bullet. You still steered the vehicle.



Nice wiggle, Bilious. He was coming at me with the same tire iron he
used to pry open the front door of the house. No steering or swerving
was involved. He got a 20-year sentence (he was involved in a lot of
break-ins and drug sales) and his girlfriend accomplice got a shorter
sentence for testifying against him.

I actually wrote to the prosecutor and objected to the length of the
sentence. Far too long.



Let me get this straight. A guy with a previous record of multiple
break-ins and drug sales breaks into your house/garage, starts loading
his vehicle with your stuff, threatens you with a tire iron and you
objected to the length of his prison sentence?


At the time, the prosecutors and judges in that area were handing out
7-1/2 year sentences for second degree murder. Remember, this was
Florida, where life is cheap. I thought 20 years for a burglar was
steep. Nowadays, of course, if you are white and in Florida, you can
shoot a black kid and not be found guilty.




According to you he wasn't "just" a burglar. He was also a drug dealer
with multiple records.



He gpt 20 years on the burglaries. I don't remember the details, but I
got a letter from the prosecutor. I had asked her why some of the
murderers she prosecuted got relatively short sentences.

Almost unique in the western world, we hand out astonishingly long
sentences to criminals. I wonder how much of that has to do with the
privatization of prisons and contractual requirements to keep the cells
filled.


Only you would wonder about that. Big Business. Most of us are happy
to see criminals off the streets.

Whoohooo!! Gun games!!!
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 5:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 5:39 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 3:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 12:07 PM, BAR wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 6/14/2014 11:14 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 11:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:



I don't shoot critters.


You swerve and run over people and critters.


No, Bilious, I don't swerve to run over people but I do swerve to
avoid
hitting a critter.


You already stated you broke a burglars legs via your truck.
Therefore you
swerve to run over people.


Yet another example of how what is left of your brain malfunctions.
What makes you think a "swerve" was involved? You just assumed
that. The
conclusions you draw from what is posted here usually are wrong.


You did not drive straight, or you would not have pinned the
burglar. As
usual, you are truth challenged.


We'll explain this for the terminally stupid...

The thief was in my garage, loading up his car with my stuff. When I
clicked on the opener in my truck, the garage door opened and the
thief
crossed from the passenger side of his car and over to the driver
side
of my truck. I drove straight forward and pinned him.

Do you need a diagram?



How courageous of you. Was he threatening you in any way?

If the theif was in Harry's garage loading up his, the theif's, car
with
Harry's stuff there shouldn't have been enough room in Harry's garage
for the theif's car and Harry's truck. Harry should be been charged
with
assault and battery, Harry was in a safe location, inside his truck,
and
Harry should have let the theif leave.



That's certainly what JPS would say.



Doubtful, because JPS would have remembered that I was outside the
garage when I engaged the garage door opener, and never stated I or my
truck were inside the garage. I pulled into the driveway and when I
opened the door, the thief's car was directly in front of me.




My comment had nothing to do with your truck being inside the garage,
nor was Bar's comment. Bar said, ".... Harry was in a safe location,
inside his truck, and Harry should have let the theif (sic) leave."

That's what prompted my comment about JPS. He has advocated on more
than one occasion that victims of crimes should just back off and let
the criminals do their dirty work.





Uh-huh. Why wouldn't there have been room in the garage for the thief's
car and my truck? And why would I have been charged with assault if the
thief was coming at me with a tire iron? Bert had no idea whether I was
or was not in a safe place.





Because you could have reversed the truck and got out of the way.

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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 12:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 11:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:



I don't shoot critters.


You swerve and run over people and critters.


No, Bilious, I don't swerve to run over people but I do swerve to avoid
hitting a critter.


You already stated you broke a burglars legs via your truck. Therefore you
swerve to run over people.


Yet another example of how what is left of your brain malfunctions.
What makes you think a "swerve" was involved? You just assumed that. The
conclusions you draw from what is posted here usually are wrong.


You did not drive straight, or you would not have pinned the burglar. As
usual, you are truth challenged.


We'll explain this for the terminally stupid...

The thief was in my garage, loading up his car with my stuff. When I
clicked on the opener in my truck, the garage door opened and the thief
crossed from the passenger side of his car and over to the driver side of
my truck. I drove straight forward and pinned him.

Do you need a diagram?




Attempted murder? Assault by deadly weapon? If you had shot him in the leg
with a 1/2 oz bullet jail time as he was not a danger to you. No you
attack with a 5000 pound bullet. You still steered the vehicle.



Nice wiggle, Bilious. He was coming at me with the same tire iron he used
to pry open the front door of the house. No steering or swerving was
involved. He got a 20-year sentence (he was involved in a lot of
break-ins and drug sales) and his girlfriend accomplice got a shorter
sentence for testifying against him.

I actually wrote to the prosecutor and objected to the length of the
sentence. Far too long.


You were safe. Just put the truck in reverse. Brandish a gun in your
scenario, and you are committing a large crime. Probably bigger than the
assault and battery you did commit.

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On 6/14/14, 7:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 6:14 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 5:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 5:41 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 3:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2014 12:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 12:05 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/14/14, 11:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:21 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:



I don't shoot critters.


You swerve and run over people and critters.


No, Bilious, I don't swerve to run over people but I do
swerve to
avoid
hitting a critter.


You already stated you broke a burglars legs via your truck.
Therefore you
swerve to run over people.


Yet another example of how what is left of your brain
malfunctions.
What makes you think a "swerve" was involved? You just assumed
that. The
conclusions you draw from what is posted here usually are wrong.


You did not drive straight, or you would not have pinned the
burglar. As
usual, you are truth challenged.


We'll explain this for the terminally stupid...

The thief was in my garage, loading up his car with my stuff.
When I
clicked on the opener in my truck, the garage door opened and the
thief
crossed from the passenger side of his car and over to the driver
side of
my truck. I drove straight forward and pinned him.

Do you need a diagram?




Attempted murder? Assault by deadly weapon? If you had shot him in
the
leg
with a 1/2 oz bullet jail time as he was not a danger to you. No
you
attack with a 5000 pound bullet. You still steered the vehicle.



Nice wiggle, Bilious. He was coming at me with the same tire iron he
used to pry open the front door of the house. No steering or swerving
was involved. He got a 20-year sentence (he was involved in a lot of
break-ins and drug sales) and his girlfriend accomplice got a shorter
sentence for testifying against him.

I actually wrote to the prosecutor and objected to the length of the
sentence. Far too long.



Let me get this straight. A guy with a previous record of multiple
break-ins and drug sales breaks into your house/garage, starts loading
his vehicle with your stuff, threatens you with a tire iron and you
objected to the length of his prison sentence?


At the time, the prosecutors and judges in that area were handing out
7-1/2 year sentences for second degree murder. Remember, this was
Florida, where life is cheap. I thought 20 years for a burglar was
steep. Nowadays, of course, if you are white and in Florida, you can
shoot a black kid and not be found guilty.




According to you he wasn't "just" a burglar. He was also a drug dealer
with multiple records.



He gpt 20 years on the burglaries. I don't remember the details, but I
got a letter from the prosecutor. I had asked her why some of the
murderers she prosecuted got relatively short sentences.

Almost unique in the western world, we hand out astonishingly long
sentences to criminals. I wonder how much of that has to do with the
privatization of prisons and contractual requirements to keep the cells
filled.


Only you would wonder about that. Big Business. Most of us are happy
to see criminals off the streets.



Actually, there are lots of people concerned about the privatization of
prisons. The practice is full of abuses, and should be abolished. We
incarcerate a larger percentage of our population than any other modern
western country, and for longer terms, too. This is an offshoot of the
private prison phenom... It is immoral to create new crimes and
incarcerate more people for more time in order to meet contractual
obligations of a for-profit prison.

Of course, raising this sort of issue in this bastion of
right-wingedness is an exercise in futility.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!