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On 6/12/2014 8:37 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:10:55 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:21:21 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... BTW there are several states that do require some training for a handgun card and all of them require training for a concealed carry card If you have a DD214 with anything greater than a general discharge you can fore go the training. If you are active duty or reserve you can fore go the training. At a certain point I agree with JP. The CCW course has very little to do with the gun and mostly talks about why you can't actually use the gun. (use of deadly force law) You did not get that in the Marines. That still has little to do with a guy who buys a skeet gun or a hunting rifle., We learned how to shoot targets at 200, 300 and 500 yards with the M16A1 for qualification. We did fam fire with the M16A1 on full-auto. We also fam fired the 1911 in .45. Nobody died on Parris Island while I was there. You guys must be good. Our longest range target was only 300 yards, for the M14. #00 yds is pleanty long enough for self defense practice, Except, maybe for Harry Krause. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/11/2014 10:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:56:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/11/2014 8:32 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 6/11/2014 7:21 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:11:51 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:25:19 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:41:42 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:17:05 -0400, wrote: If people didn't "play games" with cars everyone would be driving a Corolla (or some other "sensible" car). If we put the same kind of restrictions on cars you want on guns they would have 5 point seat belts for all occupants, there would be speed governors, biometric sensors to be sure only authorized drivers were driving, high performance cars would be banned and we would all have to wear helmets. It would certainly save lives (more than gun restrictions) and you could still get back and forth to work "unhindered". That's baloney. There's no test for owning a firearm, you don't have to know the laws, you just go in and fill out the paperwork and if you're not a felon, you get a gun. You really need to get out a little more. States are already moving that way and you want more Not one state allows you to operated a car without proper training. HUH? A drive around the block without hitting anything and parking the car when you were 16 does not demonstrate any particular proper training. After that, for the next 70 years, anyone who can hobble up to the counter, read line 3 on the eye chart and write a check is "properly trained". It is mail order in most states these days. Talk about dogs that can't hunt. Your analogy doesn't hold water. In other words that dog won't hunt. Woof Woof. Most kids I know have to take a minimum of 40 hours of classroom instruction and 20+ hours of driving. Please tell me which states require anywhere near that amount of instruction or training under the supervision of an instructor to own a gun. I just looked and if you are over 18 here you only have to take a "drug and alcohol awareness course" That is new You can't even buy a gun if you are under 18. (21 for handguns) BTW I am not sure I ever heard any of you say the shooter was not proficient enough with his gun. In fact some of were bitching that Lanza was too well trained. In spite of all of that training you seem to think drivers get, they kill about 95 people a day and nobody really seem to care as long as it doesn't **** up traffic. BTW there are several states that do require some training for a handgun card and all of them require training for a concealed carry card If you have a DD214 with anything greater than a general discharge you can fore go the training. If you are active duty or reserve you can fore go the training. That's not true in all states. Massachusetts for example does not recognize a DD214 in lieu of the required NRA and State Police approved safety course that is mandatory to obtain a permit of any kind. There are other several other optional courses offered that, in some cases, a DD214 *with* pistol qualification (that just about everyone gets if they were in the military) qualifies you to *take* the course. It doesn't qualify you as having successfully completed it. Don't let our new AG or Governor know about how your Commonwealth screws you. What can I say? Trying to exit stage right. (or left, so not to politically offend anyone). It's well established and recognized by everyone up here ... the pro-gun groups and the no-guns groups ... that we have the most confusing and screwed up gun laws in the nation. Two major state agencies/departments that contradict each other but both determine what's banned and what's not. Funny thing is that for all the laws, restrictions and bans the one thing that is not even mentioned in MA General Laws regarding guns is "open carry". There are *no* laws on the books that prohibit it. Of course, nobody in their right mind who wants to keep his/her permit would waltz down main street with a six shooter strapped to their waist, but there is no law that prohibits it. === No law against "brandishing" a firearm? That's what would get you arrested in many places. http://www.usacarry.com/brandishing-firearm/ I've read just about all the MA General Laws on firearms in an attempt at being as informed as I can. I don't recall the exact section or wording but it is illegal to *consciously* show a concealed weapon as a threat or in anger. It's not specifically called "bandishing" but is basically the same thing. However, the statutes only talk about requirements for "concealed carry". No where do they discuss Open Carry or identify any laws against it. Theoretically one could open carry without exhibiting any threatening attitude but I wouldn't test the law (or lack of). I wonder if those types of laws might be more municipal laws. If hunting is allowed in the state, then there wouldn't be a statewide ban on 'brandishing' a firearm. However, Boston may well have such a law, or any other city/municipality. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:51:42 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/12/2014 8:37 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:10:55 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:21:21 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... BTW there are several states that do require some training for a handgun card and all of them require training for a concealed carry card If you have a DD214 with anything greater than a general discharge you can fore go the training. If you are active duty or reserve you can fore go the training. At a certain point I agree with JP. The CCW course has very little to do with the gun and mostly talks about why you can't actually use the gun. (use of deadly force law) You did not get that in the Marines. That still has little to do with a guy who buys a skeet gun or a hunting rifle., We learned how to shoot targets at 200, 300 and 500 yards with the M16A1 for qualification. We did fam fire with the M16A1 on full-auto. We also fam fired the 1911 in .45. Nobody died on Parris Island while I was there. You guys must be good. Our longest range target was only 300 yards, for the M14. #00 yds is pleanty long enough for self defense practice, Except, maybe for Harry Krause. That '#' shows you were taught to capitalize the first word of a sentence. Must have had a non-union teacher. Maybe a nun. They'd sneak up behind and smack the **** out of your ear for not capitalizing appropriately. |
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On 6/12/14, 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:27:33 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/11/2014 10:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote: No law against "brandishing" a firearm? That's what would get you arrested in many places. http://www.usacarry.com/brandishing-firearm/ Didn't Florida recently pass a law stating that accidental brandishing was no longer a criminal offense? That refers to something like your gun "printing" on a covering garment or your coat blowing open for a moment. If you intentionally hold your coat open to show your gun or pull it out to threaten someone, it is still brandishing. They are working on a "warning shot" exception to the 10-20-life law. As it is, if you fire a warning shot, you better look like you have a valid reason to kill them and you just missed. Every instructor I have ever had said you just shoot for the center of mass, no warning shots. That bullet is going to land somewhere and the only place you are legally allowed to have it land is in a person who is presenting an imminent threat to you. BTW that is not necessarily true if an animal that is posing that threat. The burden of proof is much higher if you shoot a protected animal. Well, of course...you want to be able to legally stand your ground against a raccoon walking through your yard. It's Florida. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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Whoohooo!! Gun games!!!
On 6/12/2014 9:52 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/11/2014 10:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:56:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/11/2014 8:32 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 6/11/2014 7:21 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:11:51 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:25:19 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:41:42 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:17:05 -0400, wrote: If people didn't "play games" with cars everyone would be driving a Corolla (or some other "sensible" car). If we put the same kind of restrictions on cars you want on guns they would have 5 point seat belts for all occupants, there would be speed governors, biometric sensors to be sure only authorized drivers were driving, high performance cars would be banned and we would all have to wear helmets. It would certainly save lives (more than gun restrictions) and you could still get back and forth to work "unhindered". That's baloney. There's no test for owning a firearm, you don't have to know the laws, you just go in and fill out the paperwork and if you're not a felon, you get a gun. You really need to get out a little more. States are already moving that way and you want more Not one state allows you to operated a car without proper training. HUH? A drive around the block without hitting anything and parking the car when you were 16 does not demonstrate any particular proper training. After that, for the next 70 years, anyone who can hobble up to the counter, read line 3 on the eye chart and write a check is "properly trained". It is mail order in most states these days. Talk about dogs that can't hunt. Your analogy doesn't hold water. In other words that dog won't hunt. Woof Woof. Most kids I know have to take a minimum of 40 hours of classroom instruction and 20+ hours of driving. Please tell me which states require anywhere near that amount of instruction or training under the supervision of an instructor to own a gun. I just looked and if you are over 18 here you only have to take a "drug and alcohol awareness course" That is new You can't even buy a gun if you are under 18. (21 for handguns) BTW I am not sure I ever heard any of you say the shooter was not proficient enough with his gun. In fact some of were bitching that Lanza was too well trained. In spite of all of that training you seem to think drivers get, they kill about 95 people a day and nobody really seem to care as long as it doesn't **** up traffic. BTW there are several states that do require some training for a handgun card and all of them require training for a concealed carry card If you have a DD214 with anything greater than a general discharge you can fore go the training. If you are active duty or reserve you can fore go the training. That's not true in all states. Massachusetts for example does not recognize a DD214 in lieu of the required NRA and State Police approved safety course that is mandatory to obtain a permit of any kind. There are other several other optional courses offered that, in some cases, a DD214 *with* pistol qualification (that just about everyone gets if they were in the military) qualifies you to *take* the course. It doesn't qualify you as having successfully completed it. Don't let our new AG or Governor know about how your Commonwealth screws you. What can I say? Trying to exit stage right. (or left, so not to politically offend anyone). It's well established and recognized by everyone up here ... the pro-gun groups and the no-guns groups ... that we have the most confusing and screwed up gun laws in the nation. Two major state agencies/departments that contradict each other but both determine what's banned and what's not. Funny thing is that for all the laws, restrictions and bans the one thing that is not even mentioned in MA General Laws regarding guns is "open carry". There are *no* laws on the books that prohibit it. Of course, nobody in their right mind who wants to keep his/her permit would waltz down main street with a six shooter strapped to their waist, but there is no law that prohibits it. === No law against "brandishing" a firearm? That's what would get you arrested in many places. http://www.usacarry.com/brandishing-firearm/ I've read just about all the MA General Laws on firearms in an attempt at being as informed as I can. I don't recall the exact section or wording but it is illegal to *consciously* show a concealed weapon as a threat or in anger. It's not specifically called "bandishing" but is basically the same thing. However, the statutes only talk about requirements for "concealed carry". No where do they discuss Open Carry or identify any laws against it. Theoretically one could open carry without exhibiting any threatening attitude but I wouldn't test the law (or lack of). I wonder if those types of laws might be more municipal laws. If hunting is allowed in the state, then there wouldn't be a statewide ban on 'brandishing' a firearm. However, Boston may well have such a law, or any other city/municipality. Boston and it's immediate surrounding sections are basically "no issue" areas for concealed carry permits and are probably very restrictive in the other 3 permit classes as well. It's the pulsating heart of "progressive" liberalism and Mini-Me would like nothing better than to ban all guns everywhere. |
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Whoohooo!! Gun games!!!
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