Maybe they'll make it part of XGames or the Olympics!

A northern Indiana man has pleaded guilty to criminal charges after
killing his fiancee’s 3-year-old son while they were playing a “gun
game” in their Michigan City home.

Authorities said Zachariah Grisham, 24, frequently played a game in
which he would point a real gun at the boy while child would point an
imaginary gun back.

Grisham shot the boy in the head in September 2013. He told police he
forgot his gun was loaded and pulled the trigger.

Grisham pleaded guilty Thursday to a felony charge of child neglect.
He was originally charged with both child neglect and reckless
homicide.

Authorities said the shooting wasn’t intentional.

“It did not meet the qualifications of murder. It’s a very unfortunate
incident,” LaPorte County Deputy Prosecutor Dave Ambers told The Times
of Northwest Indiana.

Grisham faces up to 12 years in prison.

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:06:12 -0700, jps wrote:

Maybe they'll make it part of XGames or the Olympics!
And your point is?

Got balls?

On Monday, June 9, 2014 2:12:01 PM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:06:12 -0700, jps wrote:



Maybe they'll make it part of XGames or the Olympics!

And your point is?



Got balls?


I'm wondering what his point is too? Maybe an obsession?

On 6/9/2014 6:48 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, June 9, 2014 2:12:01 PM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:06:12 -0700, jps wrote:



Maybe they'll make it part of XGames or the Olympics!

And your point is?



Got balls?


I'm wondering what his point is too? Maybe an obsession?


He loves the attention.

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 21:37:04 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:06:12 -0700, jps wrote:

Maybe they'll make it part of XGames or the Olympics!

A northern Indiana man has pleaded guilty to criminal charges after
killing his fiancee’s 3-year-old son while they were playing a “gun
game” in their Michigan City home.

Authorities said Zachariah Grisham, 24, frequently played a game in
which he would point a real gun at the boy while child would point an
imaginary gun back.

Grisham shot the boy in the head in September 2013. He told police he
forgot his gun was loaded and pulled the trigger.

Grisham pleaded guilty Thursday to a felony charge of child neglect.
He was originally charged with both child neglect and reckless
homicide.

Authorities said the shooting wasn’t intentional.

“It did not meet the qualifications of murder. It’s a very unfortunate
incident,” LaPorte County Deputy Prosecutor Dave Ambers told The Times
of Northwest Indiana.

Grisham faces up to 12 years in prison.


A guy ****ed up and he is going to jail, what's your point?

If everyone who killed his kid doing something stupid in a car went to
jail we would run out of places to build prisons pretty quickly.

Let's assume that whatever was happened in your hypothetical car trip
was in service of getting people from one place to another, when
something ****ed up. Or, are you saying that parents regularly take
their kids out in the car expressly to play games of chicken?

Please explain what purpose there is in playing games with guns?

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:17:05 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 22:46:33 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 21:37:04 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:06:12 -0700, jps wrote:

Maybe they'll make it part of XGames or the Olympics!

A northern Indiana man has pleaded guilty to criminal charges after
killing his fiancee’s 3-year-old son while they were playing a “gun
game” in their Michigan City home.

Authorities said Zachariah Grisham, 24, frequently played a game in
which he would point a real gun at the boy while child would point an
imaginary gun back.

Grisham shot the boy in the head in September 2013. He told police he
forgot his gun was loaded and pulled the trigger.

Grisham pleaded guilty Thursday to a felony charge of child neglect.
He was originally charged with both child neglect and reckless
homicide.

Authorities said the shooting wasn’t intentional.

“It did not meet the qualifications of murder. It’s a very unfortunate
incident,” LaPorte County Deputy Prosecutor Dave Ambers told The Times
of Northwest Indiana.

Grisham faces up to 12 years in prison.


A guy ****ed up and he is going to jail, what's your point?

If everyone who killed his kid doing something stupid in a car went to
jail we would run out of places to build prisons pretty quickly.

Let's assume that whatever was happened in your hypothetical car trip
was in service of getting people from one place to another, when
something ****ed up. Or, are you saying that parents regularly take
their kids out in the car expressly to play games of chicken?

Please explain what purpose there is in playing games with guns?

If people didn't "play games" with cars everyone would be driving a
Corolla (or some other "sensible" car).
If we put the same kind of restrictions on cars you want on guns they
would have 5 point seat belts for all occupants, there would be speed
governors, biometric sensors to be sure only authorized drivers were
driving, high performance cars would be banned and we would all have
to wear helmets.

It would certainly save lives (more than gun restrictions) and you
could still get back and forth to work "unhindered".

That's baloney. There's no test for owning a firearm, you don't have
to know the laws, you just go in and fill out the paperwork and if
you're not a felon, you get a gun.

Not one state allows you to operated a car without proper training.

Your analogy doesn't hold water. In other words that dog won't hunt.

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says...

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:17:05 -0400, wrote:


That's baloney. There's no test for owning a firearm, you don't have
to know the laws, you just go in and fill out the paperwork and if
you're not a felon, you get a gun.

Not one state allows you to operated a car without proper training.

Your analogy doesn't hold water. In other words that dog won't hunt.

Desperate. Not long ago he he equated guns to circular saw blades.
As I said, this will get straightened out when guns are "socially
unacceptable."
Like cigarettes. I still smoke, but I won't last long.
Time will take care of it, as it will with guns.
Gun nuts can only delay the inevitable.

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:25:19 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:41:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:17:05 -0400, wrote:

If people didn't "play games" with cars everyone would be driving a
Corolla (or some other "sensible" car).
If we put the same kind of restrictions on cars you want on guns they
would have 5 point seat belts for all occupants, there would be speed
governors, biometric sensors to be sure only authorized drivers were
driving, high performance cars would be banned and we would all have
to wear helmets.

It would certainly save lives (more than gun restrictions) and you
could still get back and forth to work "unhindered".

That's baloney. There's no test for owning a firearm, you don't have
to know the laws, you just go in and fill out the paperwork and if
you're not a felon, you get a gun.

You really need to get out a little more. States are already moving
that way and you want more

Not one state allows you to operated a car without proper training.

HUH? A drive around the block without hitting anything and parking
the car when you were 16 does not demonstrate any particular proper
training.
After that, for the next 70 years, anyone who can hobble up to the
counter, read line 3 on the eye chart and write a check is "properly
trained". It is mail order in most states these days.
Talk about dogs that can't hunt.


Your analogy doesn't hold water. In other words that dog won't hunt.

Woof Woof.

Most kids I know have to take a minimum of 40 hours of classroom
instruction and 20+ hours of driving. Please tell me which states
require anywhere near that amount of instruction or training under the
supervision of an instructor to own a gun.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:11:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:25:19 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:41:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:17:05 -0400, wrote:

If people didn't "play games" with cars everyone would be driving a
Corolla (or some other "sensible" car).
If we put the same kind of restrictions on cars you want on guns they
would have 5 point seat belts for all occupants, there would be speed
governors, biometric sensors to be sure only authorized drivers were
driving, high performance cars would be banned and we would all have
to wear helmets.

It would certainly save lives (more than gun restrictions) and you
could still get back and forth to work "unhindered".

That's baloney. There's no test for owning a firearm, you don't have
to know the laws, you just go in and fill out the paperwork and if
you're not a felon, you get a gun.

You really need to get out a little more. States are already moving
that way and you want more

Not one state allows you to operated a car without proper training.

HUH? A drive around the block without hitting anything and parking
the car when you were 16 does not demonstrate any particular proper
training.
After that, for the next 70 years, anyone who can hobble up to the
counter, read line 3 on the eye chart and write a check is "properly
trained". It is mail order in most states these days.
Talk about dogs that can't hunt.


Your analogy doesn't hold water. In other words that dog won't hunt.

Woof Woof.

Most kids I know have to take a minimum of 40 hours of classroom
instruction and 20+ hours of driving. Please tell me which states
require anywhere near that amount of instruction or training under the
supervision of an instructor to own a gun.

Do some reading, jps.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...nd-irrelevant/

On 6/11/2014 1:11 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:25:19 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:41:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:17:05 -0400, wrote:

If people didn't "play games" with cars everyone would be driving a
Corolla (or some other "sensible" car).
If we put the same kind of restrictions on cars you want on guns they
would have 5 point seat belts for all occupants, there would be speed
governors, biometric sensors to be sure only authorized drivers were
driving, high performance cars would be banned and we would all have
to wear helmets.

It would certainly save lives (more than gun restrictions) and you
could still get back and forth to work "unhindered".

That's baloney. There's no test for owning a firearm, you don't have
to know the laws, you just go in and fill out the paperwork and if
you're not a felon, you get a gun.

You really need to get out a little more. States are already moving
that way and you want more

Not one state allows you to operated a car without proper training.

HUH? A drive around the block without hitting anything and parking
the car when you were 16 does not demonstrate any particular proper
training.
After that, for the next 70 years, anyone who can hobble up to the
counter, read line 3 on the eye chart and write a check is "properly
trained". It is mail order in most states these days.
Talk about dogs that can't hunt.


Your analogy doesn't hold water. In other words that dog won't hunt.

Woof Woof.

Most kids I know have to take a minimum of 40 hours of classroom
instruction and 20+ hours of driving. Please tell me which states
require anywhere near that amount of instruction or training under the
supervision of an instructor to own a gun.



Different objectives and purposes.

Driver's education is designed to teach teenagers *how* to drive and to
instruct as to applicable laws for driving.

My state (Massachusetts) requires gun permit applicants to complete a
NRA (and State Police) approved safety course before a permit
application will be processed. The required course is only 5 hours ...
4 classroom and 1 live firing on a range. It's not intended to teach
you *how* to shoot, but rather how to shoot and handle guns safely.

I am not sure how much more info could be presented in a longer course.
My oldest son and his wife took a much longer course however. They met
twice a week for about 3 months to complete it but it covered training
in shooting techniques, etc., not safety.