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On 6/12/14, 6:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 5:34 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:17:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 5:06 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:44:31 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: I realized something else also. I *enjoy* driving. I'd much rather drive eight hours to get somewhere than spend four hours doing the same thing by plane. And, I can honestly say I've never lost my luggage! Maybe that is my problem. In that "factory job" Harry thinks I had I was driving about 50,000 a year (less after I moved here). It is not my favorite thing to do, particularly mind numbing hours on the interstate. Where I live now I am a solid 5-6 hours, just to get out of Florida and then I am only in Georgia. We have vacationed in the west for the last 10 years. Driving would just be ridiculous. It's just different strokes for different folks. When working I traveled often and almost always by air. It was work with scheduled meetings to attend, timetables to meet, etc. Most of that was done before 9/11 and all the added security measures that were added and also before airlines started packing seats into airplanes to the max like they do now. In my semi-retirement I much rather drive. I enjoy it. It's at my pace, my timing and my schedule. If I get tired or just feel like stopping somewhere, I do. When we had the places in Florida I must have driven down and back a dozen times or more, often hauling a trailer or driving a RV. I enjoyed it, especially the areas south of Virginia. I-95 north of Virginia gets downright horrible. Four round trips to Korea, two to Vietnam, and at least a dozen to Europe have somewhat affected my attitude towards flying. Unless you want to spring for first class, flying is a horrible way to travel, IMO. Even first class isn't really first class anymore. The last time I flew commercially was in 2002 or 2003 when I had to return to MA from Florida unexpectedly due to the death of a friend. Haven't flown in a commercial airliner since. I have flown occasionally .. but it was me doing the flying in recreational aircraft. We had a very pleasant round trip flight to Ft. Lauderdale recently. The flight wasn't long enough to bother with or pay for first class, but we did get the "emergency exit" by request both ways, and there was plenty of legroom. I don't disagree with your opinion, though, that flying usually is a pretty miserable experience. Managed to "sneak" a couple of non-airport deli sandwiches through TSA and aboard, and even the TSA checks were easier. We have a much longer airliner flight coming up this summer. Got enough frequent flyer miles between us to go first class. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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#73
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. |
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#74
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On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. I camp, but I am not gonna' waste my time here telling harry about it so he can use the experience as his own elsewhere  |
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#75
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On 6/13/14, 2:21 AM, KC wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. I camp, but I am not gonna' waste my time here telling harry about it so he can use the experience as his own elsewhere Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for the most part, unless it is raining. With all your serious medical conditions, I'm surprised you venture outside at all. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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#76
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On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. Krauses confusion and ignorance over matters that interest us is endless. ;-) |
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#77
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On 6/13/2014 6:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:21 AM, KC wrote: On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. I camp, but I am not gonna' waste my time here telling harry about it so he can use the experience as his own elsewhere Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for the most part, unless it is raining. With all your serious medical conditions, I'm surprised you venture outside at all. Gotta have that genset to keep that sleep apnea machine running, eh? You never dis answer us when we asked why you get monthly physicals? Normal, relatively healthy folks don't require medical attention that often. (Glass houses. Careful about those rocks you throw.) |
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#78
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:46:03 -0500, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. Yeah, but they weren't really 'roughing it' the way Krause would! |
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#79
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On 6/13/2014 7:48 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:46:03 -0500, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. Yeah, but they weren't really 'roughing it' the way Krause would! There's nothing like roughing it on a cot in a cinderblock shelter listening to the hum of your sleep apnea machine and the drone of a Honda generator while sweating or freezing your balls off depending on the season. Absolutely nothing compares to Harry's experiences roughing it. |
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