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Mr. Luddite June 12th 14 11:20 PM

Upstanding citizen
 
On 6/12/2014 5:34 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:17:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/12/2014 5:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:44:31 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:



I realized something else also. I *enjoy* driving. I'd much rather drive eight hours to get
somewhere than spend four hours doing the same thing by plane. And, I can honestly say I've never
lost my luggage!

Maybe that is my problem. In that "factory job" Harry thinks I had I
was driving about 50,000 a year (less after I moved here). It is not
my favorite thing to do, particularly mind numbing hours on the
interstate.
Where I live now I am a solid 5-6 hours, just to get out of Florida
and then I am only in Georgia.
We have vacationed in the west for the last 10 years. Driving would
just be ridiculous.



It's just different strokes for different folks. When working I
traveled often and almost always by air. It was work with scheduled
meetings to attend, timetables to meet, etc. Most of that was done
before 9/11 and all the added security measures that were added and also
before airlines started packing seats into airplanes to the max like
they do now.

In my semi-retirement I much rather drive. I enjoy it. It's at my
pace, my timing and my schedule. If I get tired or just feel like
stopping somewhere, I do.

When we had the places in Florida I must have driven down and back a
dozen times or more, often hauling a trailer or driving a RV. I
enjoyed it, especially the areas south of Virginia. I-95 north of
Virginia gets downright horrible.

Four round trips to Korea, two to Vietnam, and at least a dozen to Europe have somewhat affected my
attitude towards flying.



Unless you want to spring for first class, flying is a horrible way to
travel, IMO. Even first class isn't really first class anymore. The
last time I flew commercially was in 2002 or 2003 when I had to return
to MA from Florida unexpectedly due to the death of a friend. Haven't
flown in a commercial airliner since. I have flown occasionally .. but
it was me doing the flying in recreational aircraft.



F*O*A*D June 12th 14 11:31 PM

Upstanding citizen
 
On 6/12/14, 6:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 5:34 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:17:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/12/2014 5:06 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:44:31 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:



I realized something else also. I *enjoy* driving. I'd much rather
drive eight hours to get
somewhere than spend four hours doing the same thing by plane. And,
I can honestly say I've never
lost my luggage!

Maybe that is my problem. In that "factory job" Harry thinks I had I
was driving about 50,000 a year (less after I moved here). It is not
my favorite thing to do, particularly mind numbing hours on the
interstate.
Where I live now I am a solid 5-6 hours, just to get out of Florida
and then I am only in Georgia.
We have vacationed in the west for the last 10 years. Driving would
just be ridiculous.



It's just different strokes for different folks. When working I
traveled often and almost always by air. It was work with scheduled
meetings to attend, timetables to meet, etc. Most of that was done
before 9/11 and all the added security measures that were added and also
before airlines started packing seats into airplanes to the max like
they do now.

In my semi-retirement I much rather drive. I enjoy it. It's at my
pace, my timing and my schedule. If I get tired or just feel like
stopping somewhere, I do.

When we had the places in Florida I must have driven down and back a
dozen times or more, often hauling a trailer or driving a RV. I
enjoyed it, especially the areas south of Virginia. I-95 north of
Virginia gets downright horrible.

Four round trips to Korea, two to Vietnam, and at least a dozen to
Europe have somewhat affected my
attitude towards flying.



Unless you want to spring for first class, flying is a horrible way to
travel, IMO. Even first class isn't really first class anymore. The
last time I flew commercially was in 2002 or 2003 when I had to return
to MA from Florida unexpectedly due to the death of a friend. Haven't
flown in a commercial airliner since. I have flown occasionally .. but
it was me doing the flying in recreational aircraft.




We had a very pleasant round trip flight to Ft. Lauderdale recently. The
flight wasn't long enough to bother with or pay for first class, but we
did get the "emergency exit" by request both ways, and there was plenty
of legroom. I don't disagree with your opinion, though, that flying
usually is a pretty miserable experience.

Managed to "sneak" a couple of non-airport deli sandwiches through TSA
and aboard, and even the TSA checks were easier.

We have a much longer airliner flight coming up this summer. Got enough
frequent flyer miles between us to go first class.



--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Califbill June 13th 14 06:46 AM

Upstanding citizen
 
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM,
wrote:

I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling
foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down.



Most of them are manual ... hand cranked.

It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the
RV crowd. (a motor on that crank)

One broken antenna would pay for it.

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,



I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a
financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing
new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define.

I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times
we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of
comfort from a tent and sleeping bags.



Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more
than a towable or driveable motel room.



Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the
late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two
teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room
where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could
do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I
have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I
think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty
worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'.


I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal
and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping.




The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper.

KC June 13th 14 07:21 AM

Upstanding citizen
 
On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM,
wrote:

I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling
foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down.



Most of them are manual ... hand cranked.

It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the
RV crowd. (a motor on that crank)

One broken antenna would pay for it.

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,



I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a
financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing
new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define.

I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times
we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of
comfort from a tent and sleeping bags.



Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more
than a towable or driveable motel room.


Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the
late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two
teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room
where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could
do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I
have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I
think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty
worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'.


I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal
and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping.




The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper.


I camp, but I am not gonna' waste my time here telling harry about it so
he can use the experience as his own elsewhe)

F*O*A*D June 13th 14 11:36 AM

Upstanding citizen
 
On 6/13/14, 2:21 AM, KC wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM,
wrote:

I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the
leveling
foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down.



Most of them are manual ... hand cranked.

It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the
RV crowd. (a motor on that crank)

One broken antenna would pay for it.

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and
drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over
$500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,



I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it
from a
financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing
new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define.

I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few
times
we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of
comfort from a tent and sleeping bags.



Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is
nothing more
than a towable or driveable motel room.


Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms.
In the
late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two
teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel
room
where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids
could
do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I
have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and
rivers. I
think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is
pretty
worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about
28'.


I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal
and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag,
campfire...camping.




The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a
camper.


I camp, but I am not gonna' waste my time here telling harry about it so
he can use the experience as his own elsewhe)



Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and
it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a
nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when
we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for
the most part, unless it is raining.

With all your serious medical conditions, I'm surprised you venture
outside at all.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

H*a*r*r*o*l*d June 13th 14 12:25 PM

Upstanding citizen
 
On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM,
wrote:

I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling
foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down.



Most of them are manual ... hand cranked.

It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the
RV crowd. (a motor on that crank)

One broken antenna would pay for it.

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,



I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a
financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing
new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define.

I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times
we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of
comfort from a tent and sleeping bags.



Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more
than a towable or driveable motel room.


Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the
late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two
teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room
where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could
do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I
have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I
think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty
worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'.


I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal
and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping.




The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper.

Krauses confusion and ignorance over matters that interest us is
endless. ;-)

H*a*r*r*o*l*d June 13th 14 12:33 PM

Upstanding citizen
 
On 6/13/2014 6:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:21 AM, KC wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM,
wrote:

I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the
leveling
foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down.



Most of them are manual ... hand cranked.

It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to
the
RV crowd. (a motor on that crank)

One broken antenna would pay for it.

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class,
rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually
used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and
drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to
find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over
$500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,



I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it
from a
financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around,
seeing
new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define.

I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few
times
we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of
comfort from a tent and sleeping bags.



Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is
nothing more
than a towable or driveable motel room.


Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms.
In the
late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with
two
teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel
room
where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids
could
do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to
motels. I
have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and
rivers. I
think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is
pretty
worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about
28'.


I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal
and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag,
campfire...camping.




The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a
camper.


I camp, but I am not gonna' waste my time here telling harry about it so
he can use the experience as his own elsewhe)



Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and
it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a
nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when
we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for
the most part, unless it is raining.

With all your serious medical conditions, I'm surprised you venture
outside at all.

Gotta have that genset to keep that sleep apnea machine running, eh?
You never dis answer us when we asked why you get monthly physicals?
Normal, relatively healthy folks don't require medical attention that
often. (Glass houses. Careful about those rocks you throw.)

Poquito Loco June 13th 14 12:48 PM

Upstanding citizen
 
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:46:03 -0500, Califbill wrote:

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM,
wrote:

I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling
foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down.



Most of them are manual ... hand cranked.

It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the
RV crowd. (a motor on that crank)

One broken antenna would pay for it.

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,



I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a
financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing
new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define.

I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times
we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of
comfort from a tent and sleeping bags.



Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more
than a towable or driveable motel room.


Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the
late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two
teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room
where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could
do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I
have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I
think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty
worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'.


I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal
and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping.




The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper.


Yeah, but they weren't really 'roughing it' the way Krause would!

H*a*r*r*o*l*d June 13th 14 12:58 PM

Upstanding citizen
 
On 6/13/2014 7:48 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:46:03 -0500, Califbill wrote:

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM,
wrote:

I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling
foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down.



Most of them are manual ... hand cranked.

It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the
RV crowd. (a motor on that crank)

One broken antenna would pay for it.

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,



I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a
financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing
new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define.

I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times
we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of
comfort from a tent and sleeping bags.



Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more
than a towable or driveable motel room.


Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the
late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two
teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room
where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could
do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I
have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I
think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty
worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'.


I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal
and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping.




The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper.


Yeah, but they weren't really 'roughing it' the way Krause would!

There's nothing like roughing it on a cot in a cinderblock shelter
listening to the hum of your sleep apnea machine and the drone of a
Honda generator while sweating or freezing your balls off depending on
the season. Absolutely nothing compares to Harry's experiences roughing it.

Wayne.B June 13th 14 01:51 PM

Upstanding citizen
 
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,


===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.


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