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On 6/13/2014 12:06 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote: I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, === Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our adult toys. :-) You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab. I think you got us, Wayne. While out on the water at Solomons, my wife asked if I missed the boat. I told her if I could afford to have a boat in a place which took total care of it and would have it ready to go whenever I asked, I'd have a boat. Or, if we lived in a house where I could put the boat and trailer in the back yard, I'd have a boat. Leaving the damn thing on a trailer in storage is tempting fate too much. And it's a pain in the ass to have to go get it! I stored a brand new, 19' Center Console at one of those storage places in Florida during the summers when we were back up north. One big problem. They went into bankruptcy the second summer without my knowledge. When I called to tell them I'd be picking up the boat there was no answer. Finally drove over only to find the gate closed and locked. I ended up seeing someone inside, yelled over and was told the place was closed and no one could get in. By now I had put two and two together, went back to the house, made some phone calls and confirmed the place was in receivership. Went back the next day and just hung around until I saw a van pull up to the gate. The driver got out, unlocked it, and went back to the van to pull into the boat yard. I pulled up right behind him and followed him into the yard. All hell broke loose for a few minutes when one of the owners came running out of the building asking me what the hell I was doing. Told him I was retrieving my boat and backed the truck up to hook the trailer to the hitch. Noticed the trailer had a flat tire. Meanwhile the owner was yelling at me, telling me I couldn't take it. Told him it was my boat and I was taking it. The owner went back in the building saying he was calling the police. Meanwhile the driver of the van turned out to be a mechanic and was sympathetic to my situation. He helped me drag the boat out, hook it up to my truck and I towed it out and down the street to the nearest gas station to put air in the tire. Brought it back to MA and sold it. Never heard from the owner, court or police. What I did was wrong. When a business goes belly up and into receivership, everything on the property is seized until the court can sort out who owns what. This can take six months to a year, so I took my chances and got away with it. |
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On 6/13/14, 1:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:19 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/13/14, 1:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/13/2014 12:03 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/13/14, 11:53 AM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote: I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, === Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our adult toys. :-) You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab. I know what you mean. My buddy's landlord has this rig http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg He is a bazillionaire tho. That barn is stuffed with collectible cars. They own about 400" of lake frontage (Keystone north of Tampa) and they have just about every kind of toy that floats there. My buddy gets a deal on a little lakefront house and we are not even sure why. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Milts%20yard.jpg Poor W'hine...he's got the biggest fuel tank and the biggest service bills. Awwwwww. :) And enjoying a lifestyle that he enjoys and you can only dream of. Not at all. There's nothing about W'hine or his "lifestyle" that appeal to me. There are limits to my self-indulgence. I'm still working at what I like to do, and hopefully I'll be able to continue to do so. Filling my day with hobby pursuits because I have nothing of significance to do is not for me. That's fine. That's what *you* enjoy. Why are you so critical of what others enjoy just because you don't share their interest? Or are you just being a newsgroup troll? Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip. Nah. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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On 6/13/14, 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 13:21:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/13/14, 12:22 PM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 11:53:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I got to do "mini season" twice. It was great fun and we took home a cooler full of Florida lobsters. Not more than 6, (per license) I hope. That is the possession limit. I don't remember...and we ate the evidence. :) I had a grill on my pontoon and we were eating evidence all day ;-) Just keep a couple hot dogs rolling and eat fast if the constabulary is coming. (what stone crab claws?) I don't recall the particulars, but I do remember that it was illegal to gather up conch for consumption in Florida, or at least illegal part of the year or all of the year. We frequented the Conch House restaurant and marina in St. Augustine, and the owners claimed their conch meals were made from conch flown in from the Carib... I'm not sure I believed that, but the conch fritters sure were good. Nice place: http://www.conch-house.com/restaurant.html Dinner: http://www.conch-house.com/Dinner_Menu.pdf My wife and I used to take our Sea Pro right up to the docks there in the winter and catch flounder. Big flounder! :) -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/13/2014 11:53 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/13/14, 11:47 AM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 06:36:15 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for the most part, unless it is raining. When I was a kid we used to camp with the neighbors in the Blue Ridge. That was real camping I have camped in the Keys for mini season but I usually just slept in my truck. (snaking out a 100' cord to the adjoining "powered" site where my buddies were for my fan.) Once I introduced the idea of just renting a house, we stopped camping. In the end it wasn't even that much more expensive. The one we found had canal frontage enough for 3 boats, 4 bedrooms and a commercial ice machine. (Big Pine Key) I see the attraction in heading out to a forest and spending a couple of nights in a tent and cooking meals over a campfire, et cetera. Towing a mobile motel room and parking in an RV compound is not something we'd enjoy. As a younger man I used to enjoy that also but mats on the hard ground and sleeping bags don't do anything for me anymore. I can understand your aversion to owning a RV. I've had them and I never got "into" the campsite routine. But, I can also understand that there are many people who enjoy it, often meeting up with friends who share the same interest. I relate it to boating in a way. I really enjoyed (and look forward to doing again) the whole process of planning a voyage, getting and storing provisions, planning the route and entering waypoints in the chartplotter each morning after getting the marine weather for the day. I also enjoy the navigation to new ports that you've never been to and even the delicate maneuvering in unfamiliar marinas. So, I don't knock people who enjoy the RV lifestyle just because I don't participate in it. You participate. Just a floating RV. |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 13:26:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/13/2014 12:06 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote: I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, === Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our adult toys. :-) You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab. I think you got us, Wayne. While out on the water at Solomons, my wife asked if I missed the boat. I told her if I could afford to have a boat in a place which took total care of it and would have it ready to go whenever I asked, I'd have a boat. Or, if we lived in a house where I could put the boat and trailer in the back yard, I'd have a boat. Leaving the damn thing on a trailer in storage is tempting fate too much. And it's a pain in the ass to have to go get it! I stored a brand new, 19' Center Console at one of those storage places in Florida during the summers when we were back up north. One big problem. They went into bankruptcy the second summer without my knowledge. When I called to tell them I'd be picking up the boat there was no answer. Finally drove over only to find the gate closed and locked. I ended up seeing someone inside, yelled over and was told the place was closed and no one could get in. By now I had put two and two together, went back to the house, made some phone calls and confirmed the place was in receivership. Went back the next day and just hung around until I saw a van pull up to the gate. The driver got out, unlocked it, and went back to the van to pull into the boat yard. I pulled up right behind him and followed him into the yard. All hell broke loose for a few minutes when one of the owners came running out of the building asking me what the hell I was doing. Told him I was retrieving my boat and backed the truck up to hook the trailer to the hitch. Noticed the trailer had a flat tire. Meanwhile the owner was yelling at me, telling me I couldn't take it. Told him it was my boat and I was taking it. The owner went back in the building saying he was calling the police. Meanwhile the driver of the van turned out to be a mechanic and was sympathetic to my situation. He helped me drag the boat out, hook it up to my truck and I towed it out and down the street to the nearest gas station to put air in the tire. Brought it back to MA and sold it. Never heard from the owner, court or police. What I did was wrong. When a business goes belly up and into receivership, everything on the property is seized until the court can sort out who owns what. This can take six months to a year, so I took my chances and got away with it. Illegal - not wrong! |
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On 6/13/2014 1:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 1:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/13/2014 1:19 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/13/14, 1:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/13/2014 12:03 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/13/14, 11:53 AM, wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote: I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, === Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our adult toys. :-) You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab. I know what you mean. My buddy's landlord has this rig http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg He is a bazillionaire tho. That barn is stuffed with collectible cars. They own about 400" of lake frontage (Keystone north of Tampa) and they have just about every kind of toy that floats there. My buddy gets a deal on a little lakefront house and we are not even sure why. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Milts%20yard.jpg Poor W'hine...he's got the biggest fuel tank and the biggest service bills. Awwwwww. :) And enjoying a lifestyle that he enjoys and you can only dream of. Not at all. There's nothing about W'hine or his "lifestyle" that appeal to me. There are limits to my self-indulgence. I'm still working at what I like to do, and hopefully I'll be able to continue to do so. Filling my day with hobby pursuits because I have nothing of significance to do is not for me. That's fine. That's what *you* enjoy. Why are you so critical of what others enjoy just because you don't share their interest? Or are you just being a newsgroup troll? Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip. Nah. I have never considered Wayne's posts as being "bragging". Anyone involved in boating realizes that it can be expensive, be it a hobby or a lifestyle and regardless of the size of the boat. Wayne happens to have a larger boat that he and his wife use often, extensively and enjoy. It has to be big to do the extended cruising that he does. Is it "bragging" to you because you're not involved in boating the way he is? Are you jealous of his cruising experience and nautical knowledge? Seems that way. You're critical of his type of boat, it's size, his ports of call, the pictures he shares, his ability to make emergency repairs, maintenance ... pretty much anything to do with his chosen lifestyle. His post are on-topic, informative and useful to others contemplating the same lifestyle pursuit. Very appropriate for a boating newsgroup, don'tcha think? |
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On 6/13/14, 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip. Nah. I have never considered Wayne's posts as being "bragging". Anyone involved in boating realizes that it can be expensive, be it a hobby or a lifestyle and regardless of the size of the boat. Whatever. I don't talk about the size of my boat's fuel tank, or what the annual spring service costs. I don't recall you making a big deal out of that sort of stuff, either. Wayne happens to have a larger boat that he and his wife use often, extensively and enjoy. It has to be big to do the extended cruising that he does. Whatever. Is it "bragging" to you because you're not involved in boating the way he is? Are you jealous of his cruising experience and nautical knowledge? Nope. There's nothing about W'hine repetitive destinations or slo-mo mode of travel to go long distances that appeals to me. Seems that way. You're critical of his type of boat, it's size, his ports of call, the pictures he shares, his ability to make emergency repairs, maintenance ... pretty much anything to do with his chosen lifestyle. I think W'hine is an asshole. It really has nothing to do with his boat. He behaves badly in here, and you give him a pass, just like you give your developmentally disabled buddy, FlaJim a pass. You're entitled to do as you wish in here, and I'm entitled to believe W'hine and FlaJim are flaming assholes. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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