Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 06:36:15 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and
it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a
nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when
we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for
the most part, unless it is raining.

When I was a kid we used to camp with the neighbors in the Blue Ridge.
That was real camping
I have camped in the Keys for mini season but I usually just slept in
my truck. (snaking out a 100' cord to the adjoining "powered" site
where my buddies were for my fan.)

Once I introduced the idea of just renting a house, we stopped
camping. In the end it wasn't even that much more expensive.
The one we found had canal frontage enough for 3 boats, 4 bedrooms and
a commercial ice machine. (Big Pine Key)


I see the attraction in heading out to a forest and spending a couple of
nights in a tent and cooking meals over a campfire, et cetera. Towing a
mobile motel room and parking in an RV compound is not something we'd
enjoy.

I got to do "mini season" twice. It was great fun and we took home a
cooler full of Florida lobsters.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:58:24 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:

On 6/13/2014 7:48 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:46:03 -0500, Califbill wrote:

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote:

I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling
foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down.



Most of them are manual ... hand cranked.

It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the
RV crowd. (a motor on that crank)

One broken antenna would pay for it.

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,



I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a
financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing
new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define.

I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times
we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of
comfort from a tent and sleeping bags.



Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more
than a towable or driveable motel room.


Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the
late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two
teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room
where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could
do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I
have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I
think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty
worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'.


I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal
and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping.




The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper.

Yeah, but they weren't really 'roughing it' the way Krause would!

There's nothing like roughing it on a cot in a cinderblock shelter
listening to the hum of your sleep apnea machine and the drone of a
Honda generator while sweating or freezing your balls off depending on
the season. Absolutely nothing compares to Harry's experiences roughing it.

OK. You get the funny award of the day.

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I know what you mean. My buddy's landlord has this rig

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg

He is a bazillionaire tho.
That barn is stuffed with collectible cars.
They own about 400" of lake frontage (Keystone north of Tampa) and
they have just about every kind of toy that floats there.
My buddy gets a deal on a little lakefront house and we are not even
sure why.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Milts%20yard.jpg



Poor W'hine...he's got the biggest fuel tank and the biggest service
bills. Awwwwww. :)

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I think you got us, Wayne.

While out on the water at Solomons, my wife asked if I missed the boat. I told her if I could afford
to have a boat in a place which took total care of it and would have it ready to go whenever I
asked, I'd have a boat. Or, if we lived in a house where I could put the boat and trailer in the
back yard, I'd have a boat. Leaving the damn thing on a trailer in storage is tempting fate too
much. And it's a pain in the ass to have to go get it!

Upstanding citizen
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 11:53:42 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I know what you mean. My buddy's landlord has this rig

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg

He is a bazillionaire tho.
That barn is stuffed with collectible cars.
They own about 400" of lake frontage (Keystone north of Tampa) and
they have just about every kind of toy that floats there.
My buddy gets a deal on a little lakefront house and we are not even
sure why.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Milts%20yard.jpg

Jeeees. An RV that big and a trailer that big too. I wonder if he takes cars to shows or something.
The three axles on the trailer indicate he's hauling something besides lawn chairs.

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/2014 11:53 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 06:36:15 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and
it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a
nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when
we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for
the most part, unless it is raining.

When I was a kid we used to camp with the neighbors in the Blue Ridge.
That was real camping
I have camped in the Keys for mini season but I usually just slept in
my truck. (snaking out a 100' cord to the adjoining "powered" site
where my buddies were for my fan.)

Once I introduced the idea of just renting a house, we stopped
camping. In the end it wasn't even that much more expensive.
The one we found had canal frontage enough for 3 boats, 4 bedrooms and
a commercial ice machine. (Big Pine Key)




I see the attraction in heading out to a forest and spending a couple of
nights in a tent and cooking meals over a campfire, et cetera. Towing a
mobile motel room and parking in an RV compound is not something we'd
enjoy.

As a younger man I used to enjoy that also but mats on the hard ground
and sleeping bags don't do anything for me anymore.

I can understand your aversion to owning a RV. I've had them and I
never got "into" the campsite routine. But, I can also understand that
there are many people who enjoy it, often meeting up with friends who
share the same interest.

I relate it to boating in a way. I really enjoyed (and look forward to
doing again) the whole process of planning a voyage, getting and
storing provisions, planning the route and entering waypoints in the
chartplotter each morning after getting the marine weather for the day.
I also enjoy the navigation to new ports that you've never been to and
even the delicate maneuvering in unfamiliar marinas.

So, I don't knock people who enjoy the RV lifestyle just because I don't
participate in it.

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/2014 12:03 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I know what you mean. My buddy's landlord has this rig

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg

He is a bazillionaire tho.
That barn is stuffed with collectible cars.
They own about 400" of lake frontage (Keystone north of Tampa) and
they have just about every kind of toy that floats there.
My buddy gets a deal on a little lakefront house and we are not even
sure why.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Milts%20yard.jpg



Poor W'hine...he's got the biggest fuel tank and the biggest service
bills. Awwwwww. :)


And enjoying a lifestyle that he enjoys and you can only dream of.

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 1:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 12:03 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I know what you mean. My buddy's landlord has this rig

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg

He is a bazillionaire tho.
That barn is stuffed with collectible cars.
They own about 400" of lake frontage (Keystone north of Tampa) and
they have just about every kind of toy that floats there.
My buddy gets a deal on a little lakefront house and we are not even
sure why.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Milts%20yard.jpg



Poor W'hine...he's got the biggest fuel tank and the biggest service
bills. Awwwwww. :)


And enjoying a lifestyle that he enjoys and you can only dream of.



Not at all. There's nothing about W'hine or his "lifestyle" that appeal
to me. There are limits to my self-indulgence. I'm still working at what
I like to do, and hopefully I'll be able to continue to do so. Filling
my day with hobby pursuits because I have nothing of significance to do
is not for me.



--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:28:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I can understand your aversion to owning a RV. I've had them and I
never got "into" the campsite routine. But, I can also understand that
there are many people who enjoy it, often meeting up with friends who
share the same interest.

I relate it to boating in a way. I really enjoyed (and look forward to
doing again) the whole process of planning a voyage, getting and
storing provisions, planning the route and entering waypoints in the
chartplotter each morning after getting the marine weather for the day.
I also enjoy the navigation to new ports that you've never been to and
even the delicate maneuvering in unfamiliar marinas.

So, I don't knock people who enjoy the RV lifestyle just because I don't
participate in it.




I thought about the RV thing when I was younger but as I aged and got
more averse to driving, I started to embrace flying.

I will be getting on a plane this afternoon, actually 3 if everything
works out.
It is hard to get from Ft Myers to Bozeman. RSW/ATL/MSP/BZN

I will have some pictures up in a few days.



Have a safe trip!

The airport in Minneapolis is my least favorite. :(

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 12:28 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:03:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Poor Wayne...he's got the biggest fuel tank and the biggest service
bills. Awwwwww. :)

I am going for the lowest bills
I still average 1.3 GPH and after almost 600 hours, my motor has still
never seen a dealer.
Maintenance has basically been a thermostat, an impeller, 7 filters,
oil, grease and shop supplies.
When I get back from Montana I am going to do a more extensive service
(anodes etc)


Anodes and tonsils, or just anodes? :)

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 11:53:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I got to do "mini season" twice. It was great fun and we took home a
cooler full of Florida lobsters.

Not more than 6, (per license) I hope. That is the possession limit.



I don't remember...and we ate the evidence. :)

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/2014 12:06 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I think you got us, Wayne.

While out on the water at Solomons, my wife asked if I missed the boat. I told her if I could afford
to have a boat in a place which took total care of it and would have it ready to go whenever I
asked, I'd have a boat. Or, if we lived in a house where I could put the boat and trailer in the
back yard, I'd have a boat. Leaving the damn thing on a trailer in storage is tempting fate too
much. And it's a pain in the ass to have to go get it!



I stored a brand new, 19' Center Console at one of those storage places
in Florida during the summers when we were back up north.

One big problem.

They went into bankruptcy the second summer without my knowledge. When
I called to tell them I'd be picking up the boat there was no answer.
Finally drove over only to find the gate closed and locked. I ended up
seeing someone inside, yelled over and was told the place was closed and
no one could get in. By now I had put two and two together, went back
to the house, made some phone calls and confirmed the place was in
receivership.

Went back the next day and just hung around until I saw a van pull up to
the gate. The driver got out, unlocked it, and went back to the van to
pull into the boat yard.

I pulled up right behind him and followed him into the yard. All hell
broke loose for a few minutes when one of the owners came running out of
the building asking me what the hell I was doing. Told him I was
retrieving my boat and backed the truck up to hook the trailer to the
hitch. Noticed the trailer had a flat tire. Meanwhile the owner was
yelling at me, telling me I couldn't take it. Told him it was my boat
and I was taking it. The owner went back in the building saying he was
calling the police. Meanwhile the driver of the van turned out to be a
mechanic and was sympathetic to my situation. He helped me drag the
boat out, hook it up to my truck and I towed it out and down the street
to the nearest gas station to put air in the tire. Brought it back to
MA and sold it. Never heard from the owner, court or police.

What I did was wrong. When a business goes belly up and into
receivership, everything on the property is seized until the court can
sort out who owns what. This can take six months to a year, so I took
my chances and got away with it.

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/2014 1:19 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 1:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 12:03 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and
drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over
$500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I know what you mean. My buddy's landlord has this rig

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg

He is a bazillionaire tho.
That barn is stuffed with collectible cars.
They own about 400" of lake frontage (Keystone north of Tampa) and
they have just about every kind of toy that floats there.
My buddy gets a deal on a little lakefront house and we are not even
sure why.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Milts%20yard.jpg



Poor W'hine...he's got the biggest fuel tank and the biggest service
bills. Awwwwww. :)


And enjoying a lifestyle that he enjoys and you can only dream of.



Not at all. There's nothing about W'hine or his "lifestyle" that appeal
to me. There are limits to my self-indulgence. I'm still working at what
I like to do, and hopefully I'll be able to continue to do so. Filling
my day with hobby pursuits because I have nothing of significance to do
is not for me.





That's fine. That's what *you* enjoy. Why are you so critical of what
others enjoy just because you don't share their interest?

Or are you just being a newsgroup troll?

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 1:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:19 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 1:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 12:03 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and
drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over
$500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last
time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I know what you mean. My buddy's landlord has this rig

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg

He is a bazillionaire tho.
That barn is stuffed with collectible cars.
They own about 400" of lake frontage (Keystone north of Tampa) and
they have just about every kind of toy that floats there.
My buddy gets a deal on a little lakefront house and we are not even
sure why.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Milts%20yard.jpg



Poor W'hine...he's got the biggest fuel tank and the biggest service
bills. Awwwwww. :)


And enjoying a lifestyle that he enjoys and you can only dream of.



Not at all. There's nothing about W'hine or his "lifestyle" that appeal
to me. There are limits to my self-indulgence. I'm still working at what
I like to do, and hopefully I'll be able to continue to do so. Filling
my day with hobby pursuits because I have nothing of significance to do
is not for me.





That's fine. That's what *you* enjoy. Why are you so critical of what
others enjoy just because you don't share their interest?

Or are you just being a newsgroup troll?


Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the
annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip.

Nah.



--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 13:21:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 6/13/14, 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 11:53:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I got to do "mini season" twice. It was great fun and we took home a
cooler full of Florida lobsters.

Not more than 6, (per license) I hope. That is the possession limit.



I don't remember...and we ate the evidence. :)

I had a grill on my pontoon and we were eating evidence all day ;-)

Just keep a couple hot dogs rolling and eat fast if the constabulary
is coming. (what stone crab claws?)


I don't recall the particulars, but I do remember that it was illegal to
gather up conch for consumption in Florida, or at least illegal part of
the year or all of the year. We frequented the Conch House restaurant
and marina in St. Augustine, and the owners claimed their conch meals
were made from conch flown in from the Carib... I'm not sure I believed
that, but the conch fritters sure were good.

Nice place:

http://www.conch-house.com/restaurant.html

Dinner:

http://www.conch-house.com/Dinner_Menu.pdf

My wife and I used to take our Sea Pro right up to the docks there in
the winter and catch flounder. Big flounder! :)

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/13/2014 11:53 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 06:36:15 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and
it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a
nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when
we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for
the most part, unless it is raining.

When I was a kid we used to camp with the neighbors in the Blue Ridge.
That was real camping
I have camped in the Keys for mini season but I usually just slept in
my truck. (snaking out a 100' cord to the adjoining "powered" site
where my buddies were for my fan.)

Once I introduced the idea of just renting a house, we stopped
camping. In the end it wasn't even that much more expensive.
The one we found had canal frontage enough for 3 boats, 4 bedrooms and
a commercial ice machine. (Big Pine Key)




I see the attraction in heading out to a forest and spending a couple of
nights in a tent and cooking meals over a campfire, et cetera. Towing a
mobile motel room and parking in an RV compound is not something we'd
enjoy.

As a younger man I used to enjoy that also but mats on the hard ground
and sleeping bags don't do anything for me anymore.

I can understand your aversion to owning a RV. I've had them and I never
got "into" the campsite routine. But, I can also understand that there
are many people who enjoy it, often meeting up with friends who share the same interest.

I relate it to boating in a way. I really enjoyed (and look forward to
doing again) the whole process of planning a voyage, getting and storing
provisions, planning the route and entering waypoints in the
chartplotter each morning after getting the marine weather for the day.
I also enjoy the navigation to new ports that you've never been to and
even the delicate maneuvering in unfamiliar marinas.

So, I don't knock people who enjoy the RV lifestyle just because I don't participate in it.

You participate. Just a floating RV.

Upstanding citizen
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 13:09:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:28:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I can understand your aversion to owning a RV. I've had them and I
never got "into" the campsite routine. But, I can also understand that
there are many people who enjoy it, often meeting up with friends who
share the same interest.

I relate it to boating in a way. I really enjoyed (and look forward to
doing again) the whole process of planning a voyage, getting and
storing provisions, planning the route and entering waypoints in the
chartplotter each morning after getting the marine weather for the day.
I also enjoy the navigation to new ports that you've never been to and
even the delicate maneuvering in unfamiliar marinas.

So, I don't knock people who enjoy the RV lifestyle just because I don't
participate in it.




I thought about the RV thing when I was younger but as I aged and got
more averse to driving, I started to embrace flying.

I will be getting on a plane this afternoon, actually 3 if everything
works out.
It is hard to get from Ft Myers to Bozeman. RSW/ATL/MSP/BZN

I will have some pictures up in a few days.
Have a super trip, Greg.

Upstanding citizen
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 13:26:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/13/2014 12:06 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)


You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I think you got us, Wayne.

While out on the water at Solomons, my wife asked if I missed the boat. I told her if I could afford
to have a boat in a place which took total care of it and would have it ready to go whenever I
asked, I'd have a boat. Or, if we lived in a house where I could put the boat and trailer in the
back yard, I'd have a boat. Leaving the damn thing on a trailer in storage is tempting fate too
much. And it's a pain in the ass to have to go get it!



I stored a brand new, 19' Center Console at one of those storage places
in Florida during the summers when we were back up north.

One big problem.

They went into bankruptcy the second summer without my knowledge. When
I called to tell them I'd be picking up the boat there was no answer.
Finally drove over only to find the gate closed and locked. I ended up
seeing someone inside, yelled over and was told the place was closed and
no one could get in. By now I had put two and two together, went back
to the house, made some phone calls and confirmed the place was in
receivership.

Went back the next day and just hung around until I saw a van pull up to
the gate. The driver got out, unlocked it, and went back to the van to
pull into the boat yard.

I pulled up right behind him and followed him into the yard. All hell
broke loose for a few minutes when one of the owners came running out of
the building asking me what the hell I was doing. Told him I was
retrieving my boat and backed the truck up to hook the trailer to the
hitch. Noticed the trailer had a flat tire. Meanwhile the owner was
yelling at me, telling me I couldn't take it. Told him it was my boat
and I was taking it. The owner went back in the building saying he was
calling the police. Meanwhile the driver of the van turned out to be a
mechanic and was sympathetic to my situation. He helped me drag the
boat out, hook it up to my truck and I towed it out and down the street
to the nearest gas station to put air in the tire. Brought it back to
MA and sold it. Never heard from the owner, court or police.

What I did was wrong. When a business goes belly up and into
receivership, everything on the property is seized until the court can
sort out who owns what. This can take six months to a year, so I took
my chances and got away with it.


Illegal - not wrong!

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/2014 1:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 1:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:19 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 1:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 12:03 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:51:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:

I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to
amortize the costs of an RV..
My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class,
rent a
nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually
used
it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and
drive
his diesel pusher).
I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to
find a
buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over
$500 a
day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he
threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat,

===

Hey, let's not start doing cost analysis and justification on our
adult toys. :-)

You can't take it with you, and if it's something you've always
wanted, then what the heck. That said, I would challenge anyone who
thinks their RV is expensive. Ask your friend when was the last
time
he took it in for a fill up and left with an 800 gallon purchase, or
took it in for routine service and left with a $15K tab.

I know what you mean. My buddy's landlord has this rig

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bobs%20RV.jpg

He is a bazillionaire tho.
That barn is stuffed with collectible cars.
They own about 400" of lake frontage (Keystone north of Tampa) and
they have just about every kind of toy that floats there.
My buddy gets a deal on a little lakefront house and we are not even
sure why.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Milts%20yard.jpg



Poor W'hine...he's got the biggest fuel tank and the biggest service
bills. Awwwwww. :)


And enjoying a lifestyle that he enjoys and you can only dream of.



Not at all. There's nothing about W'hine or his "lifestyle" that appeal
to me. There are limits to my self-indulgence. I'm still working at what
I like to do, and hopefully I'll be able to continue to do so. Filling
my day with hobby pursuits because I have nothing of significance to do
is not for me.





That's fine. That's what *you* enjoy. Why are you so critical of what
others enjoy just because you don't share their interest?

Or are you just being a newsgroup troll?


Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the
annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip.

Nah.




I have never considered Wayne's posts as being "bragging". Anyone
involved in boating realizes that it can be expensive, be it a hobby or
a lifestyle and regardless of the size of the boat.

Wayne happens to have a larger boat that he and his wife use often,
extensively and enjoy. It has to be big to do the extended cruising
that he does.

Is it "bragging" to you because you're not involved in boating the way
he is? Are you jealous of his cruising experience and nautical knowledge?

Seems that way. You're critical of his type of boat, it's size, his
ports of call, the pictures he shares, his ability to make emergency
repairs, maintenance ... pretty much anything to do with his chosen
lifestyle.

His post are on-topic, informative and useful to others contemplating
the same lifestyle pursuit. Very appropriate for a boating newsgroup,
don'tcha think?

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:



Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the
annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip.

Nah.




I have never considered Wayne's posts as being "bragging". Anyone
involved in boating realizes that it can be expensive, be it a hobby or
a lifestyle and regardless of the size of the boat.

Whatever. I don't talk about the size of my boat's fuel tank, or what
the annual spring service costs. I don't recall you making a big deal
out of that sort of stuff, either.


Wayne happens to have a larger boat that he and his wife use often,
extensively and enjoy. It has to be big to do the extended cruising
that he does.

Whatever.

Is it "bragging" to you because you're not involved in boating the way
he is? Are you jealous of his cruising experience and nautical knowledge?

Nope. There's nothing about W'hine repetitive destinations or slo-mo
mode of travel to go long distances that appeals to me.


Seems that way. You're critical of his type of boat, it's size, his
ports of call, the pictures he shares, his ability to make emergency
repairs, maintenance ... pretty much anything to do with his chosen
lifestyle.

I think W'hine is an asshole. It really has nothing to do with his boat.
He behaves badly in here, and you give him a pass, just like you give
your developmentally disabled buddy, FlaJim a pass. You're entitled to
do as you wish in here, and I'm entitled to believe W'hine and FlaJim
are flaming assholes.




--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/2014 5:44 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:



Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the
annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip.

Nah.




I have never considered Wayne's posts as being "bragging". Anyone
involved in boating realizes that it can be expensive, be it a hobby or
a lifestyle and regardless of the size of the boat.

Whatever. I don't talk about the size of my boat's fuel tank, or what
the annual spring service costs. I don't recall you making a big deal
out of that sort of stuff, either.


Wayne happens to have a larger boat that he and his wife use often,
extensively and enjoy. It has to be big to do the extended cruising
that he does.

Whatever.

Is it "bragging" to you because you're not involved in boating the way
he is? Are you jealous of his cruising experience and nautical
knowledge?

Nope. There's nothing about W'hine repetitive destinations or slo-mo
mode of travel to go long distances that appeals to me.


Seems that way. You're critical of his type of boat, it's size, his
ports of call, the pictures he shares, his ability to make emergency
repairs, maintenance ... pretty much anything to do with his chosen
lifestyle.

I think W'hine is an asshole. It really has nothing to do with his boat.
He behaves badly in here, and you give him a pass, just like you give
your developmentally disabled buddy, FlaJim a pass. You're entitled to
do as you wish in here, and I'm entitled to believe W'hine and FlaJim
are flaming assholes.





Perhaps if you weren't so constantly critical of others and their
interests (if they don't coincide with yours) you would be received
more warmly.

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 5:56 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 5:44 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:



Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the
annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip.

Nah.




I have never considered Wayne's posts as being "bragging". Anyone
involved in boating realizes that it can be expensive, be it a hobby or
a lifestyle and regardless of the size of the boat.

Whatever. I don't talk about the size of my boat's fuel tank, or what
the annual spring service costs. I don't recall you making a big deal
out of that sort of stuff, either.


Wayne happens to have a larger boat that he and his wife use often,
extensively and enjoy. It has to be big to do the extended cruising
that he does.

Whatever.

Is it "bragging" to you because you're not involved in boating the way
he is? Are you jealous of his cruising experience and nautical
knowledge?

Nope. There's nothing about W'hine repetitive destinations or slo-mo
mode of travel to go long distances that appeals to me.


Seems that way. You're critical of his type of boat, it's size, his
ports of call, the pictures he shares, his ability to make emergency
repairs, maintenance ... pretty much anything to do with his chosen
lifestyle.

I think W'hine is an asshole. It really has nothing to do with his boat.
He behaves badly in here, and you give him a pass, just like you give
your developmentally disabled buddy, FlaJim a pass. You're entitled to
do as you wish in here, and I'm entitled to believe W'hine and FlaJim
are flaming assholes.





Perhaps if you weren't so constantly critical of others and their
interests (if they don't coincide with yours) you would be received
more warmly.




The only way that might happen would be if I were brainwashed and turned
into an ardent teabagging racist.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

Upstanding citizen
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 5:44 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:



Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the
annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip.

Nah.




I have never considered Wayne's posts as being "bragging". Anyone
involved in boating realizes that it can be expensive, be it a hobby or
a lifestyle and regardless of the size of the boat.

Whatever. I don't talk about the size of my boat's fuel tank, or what
the annual spring service costs. I don't recall you making a big deal
out of that sort of stuff, either.


Wayne happens to have a larger boat that he and his wife use often,
extensively and enjoy. It has to be big to do the extended cruising
that he does.

Whatever.

Is it "bragging" to you because you're not involved in boating the way
he is? Are you jealous of his cruising experience and nautical
knowledge?

Nope. There's nothing about W'hine repetitive destinations or slo-mo
mode of travel to go long distances that appeals to me.


Seems that way. You're critical of his type of boat, it's size, his
ports of call, the pictures he shares, his ability to make emergency
repairs, maintenance ... pretty much anything to do with his chosen
lifestyle.

I think W'hine is an asshole. It really has nothing to do with his boat.
He behaves badly in here, and you give him a pass, just like you give
your developmentally disabled buddy, FlaJim a pass. You're entitled to
do as you wish in here, and I'm entitled to believe W'hine and FlaJim
are flaming assholes.





Perhaps if you weren't so constantly critical of others and their
interests (if they don't coincide with yours) you would be received
more warmly.



He's a proven liar. Ignore the narcissist!

Upstanding citizen
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:11:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

His post are on-topic, informative and useful to others contemplating
the same lifestyle pursuit. Very appropriate for a boating newsgroup,
don'tcha think?

===

Thanks for the kind words. In that spirit I will offer up a boating
adventure that we had today, one that is almost in Harry's back yard
but not quite. As most of you know we are in the process of bringing
the trawler north for the summer. The day before yesterday we were
in the vicinity of Beaufort, NC and thinking about how we would
proceed from there. The traditional route is up through Albemarle
Sound, into the North River, past Coinjock Marina and on up through
something called the "Virginia Cut" into Norfolk at the southern end
of Chesapeake Bay. Having done that a number of times, and having
always been intrigued by stories about the Great Dismal Swamp, we
decided to divert to Elizabeth City, NC and take the alternate route.

After anchoring just south of there last night, we proceeded north
this morning up the beautiful Pasquotank River which leads eventually
to a lock at South Mills, NC. The lock lifts you up 8 feet into the
southern end of the Dismal Swamp Canal. The canal runs adjacent to
the east side of the Great Dismal Swamp which is a vast wilderness
area originally surveyed by George Washington early in his career.
Although many parts of the canal are very scenic the overall
experience is somewhat marred by the traffic noise coming from route
17 just to the east. There is also a lot of dead, submerged timber
which presents a hazzard to deep draft boats. We stopped counting
log strikes after a while but it was at least 20 - hopefully no damage
but it will take another day or two of runnning before we'll know for
sure. Stay tuned. Meanwhile we'll head into Norfolk tomorrow
morning, past the vast array of navy ships which are docked there, and
on up into Chesapeake Bay.

http://tinyurl.com/waynebspottrack

Upstanding citizen
 

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:44:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I think W'hine is an asshole.

===

Harry, you may think that I am, but we're all quite sure of what you
are.

Upstanding citizen
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/13/2014 5:44 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:



Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the
annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip.

Nah.




I have never considered Wayne's posts as being "bragging". Anyone
involved in boating realizes that it can be expensive, be it a hobby or
a lifestyle and regardless of the size of the boat.

Whatever. I don't talk about the size of my boat's fuel tank, or what
the annual spring service costs. I don't recall you making a big deal
out of that sort of stuff, either.


Wayne happens to have a larger boat that he and his wife use often,
extensively and enjoy. It has to be big to do the extended cruising
that he does.

Whatever.

Is it "bragging" to you because you're not involved in boating the way
he is? Are you jealous of his cruising experience and nautical
knowledge?

Nope. There's nothing about W'hine repetitive destinations or slo-mo
mode of travel to go long distances that appeals to me.


Seems that way. You're critical of his type of boat, it's size, his
ports of call, the pictures he shares, his ability to make emergency
repairs, maintenance ... pretty much anything to do with his chosen
lifestyle.

I think W'hine is an asshole. It really has nothing to do with his boat.
He behaves badly in here, and you give him a pass, just like you give
your developmentally disabled buddy, FlaJim a pass. You're entitled to
do as you wish in here, and I'm entitled to believe W'hine and FlaJim
are flaming assholes.





Perhaps if you weren't so constantly critical of others and their
interests (if they don't coincide with yours) you would be received more warmly.

Didn't he brag about the fine Corinthian leather on one of his faux(?)
boats?

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/13/14, 11:21 PM, Califbill wrote:


Didn't he brag about the fine Corinthian leather on one of his faux(?)
boats?

Nope. Never had a boat with Corinthian leather, never claimed to...yet
another example of your inability to process.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

Upstanding citizen
 

On 6/14/2014 9:08 AM, BAR wrote:
In article 1877943224424405095.420162bmckeenospam-
, says...

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/13/2014 5:44 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 5:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:54 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:



Perhaps I should brag about the size of my boat's fuel tank, what the
annual spring service costs, and how much I pay for the marina slip.

Nah.




I have never considered Wayne's posts as being "bragging". Anyone
involved in boating realizes that it can be expensive, be it a hobby or
a lifestyle and regardless of the size of the boat.

Whatever. I don't talk about the size of my boat's fuel tank, or what
the annual spring service costs. I don't recall you making a big deal
out of that sort of stuff, either.


Wayne happens to have a larger boat that he and his wife use often,
extensively and enjoy. It has to be big to do the extended cruising
that he does.

Whatever.

Is it "bragging" to you because you're not involved in boating the way
he is? Are you jealous of his cruising experience and nautical
knowledge?

Nope. There's nothing about W'hine repetitive destinations or slo-mo
mode of travel to go long distances that appeals to me.


Seems that way. You're critical of his type of boat, it's size, his
ports of call, the pictures he shares, his ability to make emergency
repairs, maintenance ... pretty much anything to do with his chosen
lifestyle.

I think W'hine is an asshole. It really has nothing to do with his boat.
He behaves badly in here, and you give him a pass, just like you give
your developmentally disabled buddy, FlaJim a pass. You're entitled to
do as you wish in here, and I'm entitled to believe W'hine and FlaJim
are flaming assholes.





Perhaps if you weren't so constantly critical of others and their
interests (if they don't coincide with yours) you would be received more warmly.

Didn't he brag about the fine Corinthian leather on one of his faux(?)
boats?

I could see Harry as a used car salesman.

Nah. He'd be ready to close a deal then **** em off with his liberal
bull****.