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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:12:04 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/10/2014 9:27 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:11:31 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/10/2014 6:20 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/9/14, 1:10 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 09:19:21 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/9/2014 8:08 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/9/14, 8:04 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: I believe it's called 'attention seeking'. You are referring, of course, to all your non-boating hobby posts here, right? The biggest attention seeking move you ever made was posting pictures of your post holes. Sad, isn't it? or responding to every post I make, hoping to get some attention. You're delusional. Those weren't post holes you posted pictures of? You're on a roll today! When's your next camping trip. How's that Class A working out? My last trip cost me another TV antenna. My rig came with this: http://www.campingworld.com/shopping...em-white/56484 Just a small branch hanging down can catch it and snap the plastic at the base. When I say small, I'm talking 1/2" or so. I'm thinking of going with one of these: http://www.campingworld.com/shopping...-antenna/50011 These look like they'd function pretty well on a trawler or houseboat also. (Boating content) I have a Jack. You're right. They are fragile. I wonder why you haven't been taking out AC units? I'll email you later. I've not hit anything big, i.e., over an inch. And even then I've been going slow in a campground. Last time I was backing the rig into the site. The branches must just grab onto the antenna, twist around, and break the damn thing. I'm going with a Winegard next time. |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:25:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/10/2014 7:12 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/10/2014 9:27 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:11:31 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/10/2014 6:20 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/9/14, 1:10 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 09:19:21 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/9/2014 8:08 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/9/14, 8:04 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: I believe it's called 'attention seeking'. You are referring, of course, to all your non-boating hobby posts here, right? The biggest attention seeking move you ever made was posting pictures of your post holes. Sad, isn't it? or responding to every post I make, hoping to get some attention. You're delusional. Those weren't post holes you posted pictures of? You're on a roll today! When's your next camping trip. How's that Class A working out? My last trip cost me another TV antenna. My rig came with this: http://www.campingworld.com/shopping...em-white/56484 Just a small branch hanging down can catch it and snap the plastic at the base. When I say small, I'm talking 1/2" or so. I'm thinking of going with one of these: http://www.campingworld.com/shopping...-antenna/50011 These look like they'd function pretty well on a trawler or houseboat also. (Boating content) I have a Jack. You're right. They are fragile. I wonder why you haven't been taking out AC units? I'll email you later. If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png Most of our camping isn't very close to towns with TV stations. Winegard also makes a pretty good indoor antenna: http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FL5500A-FlatWave-Amplified-Antenna/dp/B00BN5Z2WM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402504641&sr=8-1&keywords=winegard+rayzar+air Gets pretty good reviews. I wish we could try one out before buying it. |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:10:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/10/2014 8:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png I just tried an experiment for kicks. I have a small, single pole antenna that I use on my receiver for FM reception. It's half of an old rabbit ear antenna. I hooked it up to my TV and did an autoscan. My house is probably 35-40 miles from the nearest transmitting antenna in Boston and the single pole antenna is just sitting beside the TV. Autoscan found 7 digital channels. Here's the antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/antenna.jpg Here's channel 7 in Boston using the single pole antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel7.jpg Here's channel 2 (PBS) in Boston (blur is due to slow camera shutter speed. HD picture on TV is perfect): http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel2-2.jpg Only goes to show that there's nothing magic about the revised and modernized rabbit ears that are being marketed as "HD Antennas". What do you use on the Sprinter? |
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On 6/11/2014 12:53 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:47:51 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:39:18 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png Most of our camping isn't very close to towns with TV stations. Winegard also makes a pretty good indoor antenna: http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FL5500A-FlatWave-Amplified-Antenna/dp/B00BN5Z2WM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402504641&sr=8-1&keywords=winegard+rayzar+air Gets pretty good reviews. I wish we could try one out before buying it. If TV is really that important to you, you should think about satellite. I see those dishes sitting on tripods outside of motor homes all the time. Actually, we hardly ever turn the TV on. It's more the idea of not having an antenna in case we want to turn it on. When we had RVs we also had a Direct TV account for the house. I bought a portable dish at an RV place for something like $100. When we traveled I just took the Direct TV receiver from the house and used it with the portable dish. Worked fine anywhere we stopped ... including a nice campsite not far from you ... just north over the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. When we decided RVs weren't for us I kept the dish and used it on two different boats ... obviously only when tied up at the slip. Still, it amazed me how well it worked with the dish on the boat, with 4-9 foot tides. Never had to re-aim it. The few times I lost signal temporarily was in storms with heavy winds that moved the boat around more than normal. |
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On 6/11/2014 12:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:10:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/10/2014 8:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png I just tried an experiment for kicks. I have a small, single pole antenna that I use on my receiver for FM reception. It's half of an old rabbit ear antenna. I hooked it up to my TV and did an autoscan. My house is probably 35-40 miles from the nearest transmitting antenna in Boston and the single pole antenna is just sitting beside the TV. Autoscan found 7 digital channels. Here's the antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/antenna.jpg Here's channel 7 in Boston using the single pole antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel7.jpg Here's channel 2 (PBS) in Boston (blur is due to slow camera shutter speed. HD picture on TV is perfect): http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel2-2.jpg Only goes to show that there's nothing magic about the revised and modernized rabbit ears that are being marketed as "HD Antennas". What do you use on the Sprinter? The Sprinter had an antenna that you cranked up but I never used it. As described in a previous post I had a portable Direct TV dish that we took with us along with the Direct TV receiver from the house. We didn't use it often but it was nice if there was something special I wanted to see or I just got bored silly camping. :-) |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:16:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/11/2014 12:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:10:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/10/2014 8:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png I just tried an experiment for kicks. I have a small, single pole antenna that I use on my receiver for FM reception. It's half of an old rabbit ear antenna. I hooked it up to my TV and did an autoscan. My house is probably 35-40 miles from the nearest transmitting antenna in Boston and the single pole antenna is just sitting beside the TV. Autoscan found 7 digital channels. Here's the antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/antenna.jpg Here's channel 7 in Boston using the single pole antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel7.jpg Here's channel 2 (PBS) in Boston (blur is due to slow camera shutter speed. HD picture on TV is perfect): http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel2-2.jpg Only goes to show that there's nothing magic about the revised and modernized rabbit ears that are being marketed as "HD Antennas". What do you use on the Sprinter? The Sprinter had an antenna that you cranked up but I never used it. As described in a previous post I had a portable Direct TV dish that we took with us along with the Direct TV receiver from the house. We didn't use it often but it was nice if there was something special I wanted to see or I just got bored silly camping. :-) I see campers all the time with Direct TV dishes, but we don't use it at home and I wouldn't get it just for the camper. I've found a place that will put a new Winegard http://tinyurl.com/k87xzo5 on the trailer for $400, installed. I can live with that. |
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On 6/12/2014 8:13 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:16:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/11/2014 12:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:10:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/10/2014 8:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png I just tried an experiment for kicks. I have a small, single pole antenna that I use on my receiver for FM reception. It's half of an old rabbit ear antenna. I hooked it up to my TV and did an autoscan. My house is probably 35-40 miles from the nearest transmitting antenna in Boston and the single pole antenna is just sitting beside the TV. Autoscan found 7 digital channels. Here's the antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/antenna.jpg Here's channel 7 in Boston using the single pole antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel7.jpg Here's channel 2 (PBS) in Boston (blur is due to slow camera shutter speed. HD picture on TV is perfect): http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel2-2.jpg Only goes to show that there's nothing magic about the revised and modernized rabbit ears that are being marketed as "HD Antennas". What do you use on the Sprinter? The Sprinter had an antenna that you cranked up but I never used it. As described in a previous post I had a portable Direct TV dish that we took with us along with the Direct TV receiver from the house. We didn't use it often but it was nice if there was something special I wanted to see or I just got bored silly camping. :-) I see campers all the time with Direct TV dishes, but we don't use it at home and I wouldn't get it just for the camper. I've found a place that will put a new Winegard http://tinyurl.com/k87xzo5 on the trailer for $400, installed. I can live with that. I hit a frozen tree branch in Baltimore with one of those once. Wasn't pretty. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:56:15 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/12/2014 8:13 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:16:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/11/2014 12:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:10:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/10/2014 8:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png I just tried an experiment for kicks. I have a small, single pole antenna that I use on my receiver for FM reception. It's half of an old rabbit ear antenna. I hooked it up to my TV and did an autoscan. My house is probably 35-40 miles from the nearest transmitting antenna in Boston and the single pole antenna is just sitting beside the TV. Autoscan found 7 digital channels. Here's the antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/antenna.jpg Here's channel 7 in Boston using the single pole antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel7.jpg Here's channel 2 (PBS) in Boston (blur is due to slow camera shutter speed. HD picture on TV is perfect): http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel2-2.jpg Only goes to show that there's nothing magic about the revised and modernized rabbit ears that are being marketed as "HD Antennas". What do you use on the Sprinter? The Sprinter had an antenna that you cranked up but I never used it. As described in a previous post I had a portable Direct TV dish that we took with us along with the Direct TV receiver from the house. We didn't use it often but it was nice if there was something special I wanted to see or I just got bored silly camping. :-) I see campers all the time with Direct TV dishes, but we don't use it at home and I wouldn't get it just for the camper. I've found a place that will put a new Winegard http://tinyurl.com/k87xzo5 on the trailer for $400, installed. I can live with that. I hit a frozen tree branch in Baltimore with one of those once. Wasn't pretty. I'm assuming you'd not lowered it? |
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On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:07:44 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:49:28 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:56:15 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/12/2014 8:13 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:16:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/11/2014 12:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:10:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/10/2014 8:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png I just tried an experiment for kicks. I have a small, single pole antenna that I use on my receiver for FM reception. It's half of an old rabbit ear antenna. I hooked it up to my TV and did an autoscan. My house is probably 35-40 miles from the nearest transmitting antenna in Boston and the single pole antenna is just sitting beside the TV. Autoscan found 7 digital channels. Here's the antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/antenna.jpg Here's channel 7 in Boston using the single pole antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel7.jpg Here's channel 2 (PBS) in Boston (blur is due to slow camera shutter speed. HD picture on TV is perfect): http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel2-2.jpg Only goes to show that there's nothing magic about the revised and modernized rabbit ears that are being marketed as "HD Antennas". What do you use on the Sprinter? The Sprinter had an antenna that you cranked up but I never used it. As described in a previous post I had a portable Direct TV dish that we took with us along with the Direct TV receiver from the house. We didn't use it often but it was nice if there was something special I wanted to see or I just got bored silly camping. :-) I see campers all the time with Direct TV dishes, but we don't use it at home and I wouldn't get it just for the camper. I've found a place that will put a new Winegard http://tinyurl.com/k87xzo5 on the trailer for $400, installed. I can live with that. I hit a frozen tree branch in Baltimore with one of those once. Wasn't pretty. I'm assuming you'd not lowered it? I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most are hand-crank. Your idea would be one more thing to break. Besides, if I'm staying at a 'Flying J' for the night, I wouldn't want to put the feet down on the off chance I was going to watch TV. (Which I can't do anyway 'cause Luddite won't give me a good deal on his Honda Generator. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, Mine cost me $39K, including the hitch and installation. We use it quite a bit, so I don't feel like it's been a big waste of money. Of course, I had to have a pickup to move it, but I already had a pickup. I agree that the big, diesel motorhomes are made for those who have a bunch of extra money. |
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On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:16:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The Sprinter had an antenna that you cranked up but I never used it. As described in a previous post I had a portable Direct TV dish that we took with us along with the Direct TV receiver from the house. We didn't use it often but it was nice if there was something special I wanted to see or I just got bored silly camping. :-) Old satellite dishes are solid waste. I have one in my shed and there are 2 on the house next door you can have if you come get them (Dish and DTV) When I dumped Dish, they took the amp part of the antenna, and we scrapped the rest. |
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On 6/12/2014 1:20 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. We campers don't need an asshole like you to define for us what we enjoy doing. |
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On 6/12/2014 1:13 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, Mine cost me $39K, including the hitch and installation. We use it quite a bit, so I don't feel like it's been a big waste of money. Of course, I had to have a pickup to move it, but I already had a pickup. I agree that the big, diesel motorhomes are made for those who have a bunch of extra money. Sounds like we are trying to quantify how much our "fun" is worth. I'm happy doing what I do and that's all that matters to me. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:18:45 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/12/2014 1:20 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. We campers don't need an asshole like you to define for us what we enjoy doing. I strongly doubt if the boy has ever gone camping in any style. |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:27:56 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/12/2014 1:13 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:09:52 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, Mine cost me $39K, including the hitch and installation. We use it quite a bit, so I don't feel like it's been a big waste of money. Of course, I had to have a pickup to move it, but I already had a pickup. I agree that the big, diesel motorhomes are made for those who have a bunch of extra money. Sounds like we are trying to quantify how much our "fun" is worth. I'm happy doing what I do and that's all that matters to me. Amen! I realized something else also. I *enjoy* driving. I'd much rather drive eight hours to get somewhere than spend four hours doing the same thing by plane. And, I can honestly say I've never lost my luggage! |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:44:13 -0500, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. My trailer's 33', and I've not had a problem anywhere. The biggest motorhome in our group is 34', and he's not had a problem yet. There was a rumor going around that Virginia was limiting the size, but that was false. I called the state park folks in Richmond to clarify that one. I quit using the Virginia state parks 'cause they charge $10/pet/night. They furnish nothing. Hell with 'em. |
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On 6/12/2014 9:49 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:56:15 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/12/2014 8:13 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:16:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/11/2014 12:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:10:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/10/2014 8:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png I just tried an experiment for kicks. I have a small, single pole antenna that I use on my receiver for FM reception. It's half of an old rabbit ear antenna. I hooked it up to my TV and did an autoscan. My house is probably 35-40 miles from the nearest transmitting antenna in Boston and the single pole antenna is just sitting beside the TV. Autoscan found 7 digital channels. Here's the antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/antenna.jpg Here's channel 7 in Boston using the single pole antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel7.jpg Here's channel 2 (PBS) in Boston (blur is due to slow camera shutter speed. HD picture on TV is perfect): http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel2-2.jpg Only goes to show that there's nothing magic about the revised and modernized rabbit ears that are being marketed as "HD Antennas". What do you use on the Sprinter? The Sprinter had an antenna that you cranked up but I never used it. As described in a previous post I had a portable Direct TV dish that we took with us along with the Direct TV receiver from the house. We didn't use it often but it was nice if there was something special I wanted to see or I just got bored silly camping. :-) I see campers all the time with Direct TV dishes, but we don't use it at home and I wouldn't get it just for the camper. I've found a place that will put a new Winegard http://tinyurl.com/k87xzo5 on the trailer for $400, installed. I can live with that. I hit a frozen tree branch in Baltimore with one of those once. Wasn't pretty. I'm assuming you'd not lowered it? You assumed correctly. |
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On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:49:28 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:56:15 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/12/2014 8:13 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:16:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/11/2014 12:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:10:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/10/2014 8:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png I just tried an experiment for kicks. I have a small, single pole antenna that I use on my receiver for FM reception. It's half of an old rabbit ear antenna. I hooked it up to my TV and did an autoscan. My house is probably 35-40 miles from the nearest transmitting antenna in Boston and the single pole antenna is just sitting beside the TV. Autoscan found 7 digital channels. Here's the antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/antenna.jpg Here's channel 7 in Boston using the single pole antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel7.jpg Here's channel 2 (PBS) in Boston (blur is due to slow camera shutter speed. HD picture on TV is perfect): http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel2-2.jpg Only goes to show that there's nothing magic about the revised and modernized rabbit ears that are being marketed as "HD Antennas". What do you use on the Sprinter? The Sprinter had an antenna that you cranked up but I never used it. As described in a previous post I had a portable Direct TV dish that we took with us along with the Direct TV receiver from the house. We didn't use it often but it was nice if there was something special I wanted to see or I just got bored silly camping. :-) I see campers all the time with Direct TV dishes, but we don't use it at home and I wouldn't get it just for the camper. I've found a place that will put a new Winegard http://tinyurl.com/k87xzo5 on the trailer for $400, installed. I can live with that. I hit a frozen tree branch in Baltimore with one of those once. Wasn't pretty. I'm assuming you'd not lowered it? I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. The antenna is not motorized. |
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On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:57:59 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/12/2014 9:49 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:56:15 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 6/12/2014 8:13 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:16:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/11/2014 12:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:10:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/10/2014 8:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: If you are withing 20-25 miles of the transmitting tower, this super duper antenna works splendidly for capturing HD broadcasts: http://flowtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ill12.png I just tried an experiment for kicks. I have a small, single pole antenna that I use on my receiver for FM reception. It's half of an old rabbit ear antenna. I hooked it up to my TV and did an autoscan. My house is probably 35-40 miles from the nearest transmitting antenna in Boston and the single pole antenna is just sitting beside the TV. Autoscan found 7 digital channels. Here's the antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/antenna.jpg Here's channel 7 in Boston using the single pole antenna: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel7.jpg Here's channel 2 (PBS) in Boston (blur is due to slow camera shutter speed. HD picture on TV is perfect): http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Channel2-2.jpg Only goes to show that there's nothing magic about the revised and modernized rabbit ears that are being marketed as "HD Antennas". What do you use on the Sprinter? The Sprinter had an antenna that you cranked up but I never used it. As described in a previous post I had a portable Direct TV dish that we took with us along with the Direct TV receiver from the house. We didn't use it often but it was nice if there was something special I wanted to see or I just got bored silly camping. :-) I see campers all the time with Direct TV dishes, but we don't use it at home and I wouldn't get it just for the camper. I've found a place that will put a new Winegard http://tinyurl.com/k87xzo5 on the trailer for $400, installed. I can live with that. I hit a frozen tree branch in Baltimore with one of those once. Wasn't pretty. I'm assuming you'd not lowered it? You assumed correctly. That'll probably be the first thing I forget to check once I get the antenna mounted. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:17:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/12/2014 5:06 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:44:31 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: I realized something else also. I *enjoy* driving. I'd much rather drive eight hours to get somewhere than spend four hours doing the same thing by plane. And, I can honestly say I've never lost my luggage! Maybe that is my problem. In that "factory job" Harry thinks I had I was driving about 50,000 a year (less after I moved here). It is not my favorite thing to do, particularly mind numbing hours on the interstate. Where I live now I am a solid 5-6 hours, just to get out of Florida and then I am only in Georgia. We have vacationed in the west for the last 10 years. Driving would just be ridiculous. It's just different strokes for different folks. When working I traveled often and almost always by air. It was work with scheduled meetings to attend, timetables to meet, etc. Most of that was done before 9/11 and all the added security measures that were added and also before airlines started packing seats into airplanes to the max like they do now. In my semi-retirement I much rather drive. I enjoy it. It's at my pace, my timing and my schedule. If I get tired or just feel like stopping somewhere, I do. When we had the places in Florida I must have driven down and back a dozen times or more, often hauling a trailer or driving a RV. I enjoyed it, especially the areas south of Virginia. I-95 north of Virginia gets downright horrible. Four round trips to Korea, two to Vietnam, and at least a dozen to Europe have somewhat affected my attitude towards flying. |
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On 6/12/2014 5:34 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:17:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 5:06 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:44:31 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: I realized something else also. I *enjoy* driving. I'd much rather drive eight hours to get somewhere than spend four hours doing the same thing by plane. And, I can honestly say I've never lost my luggage! Maybe that is my problem. In that "factory job" Harry thinks I had I was driving about 50,000 a year (less after I moved here). It is not my favorite thing to do, particularly mind numbing hours on the interstate. Where I live now I am a solid 5-6 hours, just to get out of Florida and then I am only in Georgia. We have vacationed in the west for the last 10 years. Driving would just be ridiculous. It's just different strokes for different folks. When working I traveled often and almost always by air. It was work with scheduled meetings to attend, timetables to meet, etc. Most of that was done before 9/11 and all the added security measures that were added and also before airlines started packing seats into airplanes to the max like they do now. In my semi-retirement I much rather drive. I enjoy it. It's at my pace, my timing and my schedule. If I get tired or just feel like stopping somewhere, I do. When we had the places in Florida I must have driven down and back a dozen times or more, often hauling a trailer or driving a RV. I enjoyed it, especially the areas south of Virginia. I-95 north of Virginia gets downright horrible. Four round trips to Korea, two to Vietnam, and at least a dozen to Europe have somewhat affected my attitude towards flying. Unless you want to spring for first class, flying is a horrible way to travel, IMO. Even first class isn't really first class anymore. The last time I flew commercially was in 2002 or 2003 when I had to return to MA from Florida unexpectedly due to the death of a friend. Haven't flown in a commercial airliner since. I have flown occasionally .. but it was me doing the flying in recreational aircraft. |
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On 6/12/14, 6:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/12/2014 5:34 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:17:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 5:06 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:44:31 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: I realized something else also. I *enjoy* driving. I'd much rather drive eight hours to get somewhere than spend four hours doing the same thing by plane. And, I can honestly say I've never lost my luggage! Maybe that is my problem. In that "factory job" Harry thinks I had I was driving about 50,000 a year (less after I moved here). It is not my favorite thing to do, particularly mind numbing hours on the interstate. Where I live now I am a solid 5-6 hours, just to get out of Florida and then I am only in Georgia. We have vacationed in the west for the last 10 years. Driving would just be ridiculous. It's just different strokes for different folks. When working I traveled often and almost always by air. It was work with scheduled meetings to attend, timetables to meet, etc. Most of that was done before 9/11 and all the added security measures that were added and also before airlines started packing seats into airplanes to the max like they do now. In my semi-retirement I much rather drive. I enjoy it. It's at my pace, my timing and my schedule. If I get tired or just feel like stopping somewhere, I do. When we had the places in Florida I must have driven down and back a dozen times or more, often hauling a trailer or driving a RV. I enjoyed it, especially the areas south of Virginia. I-95 north of Virginia gets downright horrible. Four round trips to Korea, two to Vietnam, and at least a dozen to Europe have somewhat affected my attitude towards flying. Unless you want to spring for first class, flying is a horrible way to travel, IMO. Even first class isn't really first class anymore. The last time I flew commercially was in 2002 or 2003 when I had to return to MA from Florida unexpectedly due to the death of a friend. Haven't flown in a commercial airliner since. I have flown occasionally .. but it was me doing the flying in recreational aircraft. We had a very pleasant round trip flight to Ft. Lauderdale recently. The flight wasn't long enough to bother with or pay for first class, but we did get the "emergency exit" by request both ways, and there was plenty of legroom. I don't disagree with your opinion, though, that flying usually is a pretty miserable experience. Managed to "sneak" a couple of non-airport deli sandwiches through TSA and aboard, and even the TSA checks were easier. We have a much longer airliner flight coming up this summer. Got enough frequent flyer miles between us to go first class. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. |
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On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. I camp, but I am not gonna' waste my time here telling harry about it so he can use the experience as his own elsewhe) |
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On 6/13/14, 2:21 AM, KC wrote:
On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. I camp, but I am not gonna' waste my time here telling harry about it so he can use the experience as his own elsewhe) Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for the most part, unless it is raining. With all your serious medical conditions, I'm surprised you venture outside at all. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
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On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. Krauses confusion and ignorance over matters that interest us is endless. ;-) |
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On 6/13/2014 6:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 6/13/14, 2:21 AM, KC wrote: On 6/13/2014 1:46 AM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. I camp, but I am not gonna' waste my time here telling harry about it so he can use the experience as his own elsewhe) Camping out was a lot of fun when I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout, and it was ok when we started going out to the Shenandoah, but there's a nice building out on the lot now, with a wood pellet stove for heat when we need it, a Honda genny, and bunk beds. We still cook outdoors, for the most part, unless it is raining. With all your serious medical conditions, I'm surprised you venture outside at all. Gotta have that genset to keep that sleep apnea machine running, eh? You never dis answer us when we asked why you get monthly physicals? Normal, relatively healthy folks don't require medical attention that often. (Glass houses. Careful about those rocks you throw.) |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:46:03 -0500, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. Yeah, but they weren't really 'roughing it' the way Krause would! |
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On 6/13/2014 7:48 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:46:03 -0500, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 3:44 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 6/12/14, 12:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 6/12/2014 12:09 PM, wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:38:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/12/2014 11:07 AM, wrote: I am surprised they don't have the antenna connected to the leveling foot circuit. Pick up the feet and the antenna goes down. Most of them are manual ... hand cranked. It sounds like the opportunity to sell another $300 accessory to the RV crowd. (a motor on that crank) One broken antenna would pay for it. I still wonder how many trips a year you would have to take to amortize the costs of an RV.. My neighbor figured out it would be cheaper to fly 1st class, rent a nice car and stay in a good hotel for the 3-4 weeks he actually used it in a year. (based on what he paid to buy, store, maintain and drive his diesel pusher). I think he paid close to $180k for it and had to work hard to find a buyer at $90k 5-6 years later. That alone amortizes out at over $500 a day if he used it 4 weeks a year. It seemed to be a black hole he threw money in when he had it. He said it was worse than his boat, I don't think people who are into the RV thing try to justify it from a financial point of view. They simply enjoy traveling around, seeing new places, meeting people, all at a pace that they can define. I never got into the "camping" thing but I'll admit that the few times we tried it, we had some fun. An RV is a giant step up in terms of comfort from a tent and sleeping bags. Ahh, but a tent and a sleeping bag is "camping." A big RV is nothing more than a towable or driveable motel room. Actually for long tours is much better than tents and motel rooms. In the late 1980's I had a sabbatical and took 7 weeks to tour the US with two teenagers and the wife. Did not have to worry about finding a motel room where we wanted to stop, ate healthier, and when traveling, the kids could do hobbies, etc at a table. Cost was probably comparable to motels. I have a truck camper, but tow my boat to some remote lakes and rivers. I think a 40' diesel pusher, unless you are living in it full time is pretty worthless. Lots of Federal and State campgrounds limit out at about 28'. I was talking about "camping," not driving or trailering a large metal and plastic motel room. You know, tent, sleeping bag, campfire...camping. The settlers in prairie schooners, were camping. And they towing a camper. Yeah, but they weren't really 'roughing it' the way Krause would! There's nothing like roughing it on a cot in a cinderblock shelter listening to the hum of your sleep apnea machine and the drone of a Honda generator while sweating or freezing your balls off depending on the season. Absolutely nothing compares to Harry's experiences roughing it. |
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