On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:34:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/11/2014 7:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:45:21 -0400, Earl wrote:

Your theory is solid except for .22LR. I can't figure that one out.

===

That will ease up also after everyone has stocked up with the
obligatory lifetime supply. At that point the hoarders and
speculators will be out of the market and things will return to
normal.


I have two .22 cal guns .. a Ruger SR22 pistol and a Ruger 10/22 rifle.
When I purchased them the dealer threw in a box of 500 rounds for each
gun.

I also have a couple of boxes that I had purchased previously for
another .22 cal revolver I had. I don't shoot the .22's very often so
I suspect my stash will last a while.

What I need is .380 ammo. I just bought another handgun earlier this
week for the first time in a long time. I've been thinking about a
compact pocket pistol to replace the S&W Bodyguard 380 that I had but
didn't like. Choices are limited here in MA because of the famous
"banned" list by the Attorney General's office.

I happened to visit the local gun shop I go to this past Monday. He
had two Sig Sauer P228s in the case. One had fancy engraving and pearl
grips. Too over the top for me. The other was more plain but had nice
looking rosewood grips instead of the baseline black. I liked that one
and temptation overcame logic and it went home with me. Looks identical
to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sauer-P238.jpg


===

I've seen 380 on the shelf at our local Walmart. It's not nearly as
popular as 22lr. I think a lot of 22lr gets used in target practice
and competition. When it was readily available I was going through
300 to 400 rounds a week. The rest of it is being hoarded or bought
up by scalpers.

Earl wrote:
Bill McKee wrote:
On 6/9/14, 2:45 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, June 8, 2014 1:15:21 PM UTC-7, Califbill wrote:
Tim wrote:

Here's a pretty good explanation of why....



http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...nition-prices/




Was in the gun store Friday looking at a new AR. $699 for M&P Sport. $399

for a 1000 rd case of ammo for it. Maybe should wait on the AR?

I'd say that the M&P is just as good as an AR, And I doubt you'll
find the AR's dropping in price that much. Might be wrong though...

i read where there is starting to be an oversupply of AR type weapons.
Most have filled their fears in buying and the supply line is still cranked up.


That's very true. Look at the price of the Windham's now.

I was looking at the Wymdhams and the store in Livermore saint $950 plus
tax. 250 les for the S&W.

On 6/11/2014 9:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/11/2014 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:34:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/11/2014 7:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:45:21 -0400, Earl wrote:

Your theory is solid except for .22LR. I can't figure that one out.

===

That will ease up also after everyone has stocked up with the
obligatory lifetime supply. At that point the hoarders and
speculators will be out of the market and things will return to
normal.


I have two .22 cal guns .. a Ruger SR22 pistol and a Ruger 10/22 rifle.
When I purchased them the dealer threw in a box of 500 rounds for each
gun.

I also have a couple of boxes that I had purchased previously for
another .22 cal revolver I had. I don't shoot the .22's very often so
I suspect my stash will last a while.

What I need is .380 ammo. I just bought another handgun earlier this
week for the first time in a long time. I've been thinking about a
compact pocket pistol to replace the S&W Bodyguard 380 that I had but
didn't like. Choices are limited here in MA because of the famous
"banned" list by the Attorney General's office.

I happened to visit the local gun shop I go to this past Monday. He
had two Sig Sauer P228s in the case. One had fancy engraving and pearl
grips. Too over the top for me. The other was more plain but had nice
looking rosewood grips instead of the baseline black. I liked that one
and temptation overcame logic and it went home with me. Looks identical
to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sauer-P238.jpg


I guess the law there makes internet sales illegal.


Very few dealers will even consider shipping to a FFL in MA because of
the confusion on what's banned and what's not. Shipping directly to the
buyer is not permitted obviously. Heck, I can't even buy ammo on-line.
MA doesn't allow that.

Many of the manufacturers of popular handguns don't bother trying to get
their models approved here either. Too much red tape and I think they
have to provide a minimum of five of each model to be tested. They are
destroyed in the process and there's no guarantee it will be approved.
Some of the rules are just plain stupid. One popular model (I think
it was a Ruger) was banned because the AG didn't like where the serial
number was placed. I guess the AG's office wants Ruger to modify their
production line just to meet their opinion of where it should be.






Is that why you didn't consider the LCP?

On 6/12/2014 7:43 AM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/11/2014 9:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/11/2014 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:34:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/11/2014 7:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:45:21 -0400, Earl wrote:

Your theory is solid except for .22LR. I can't figure that one out.

===

That will ease up also after everyone has stocked up with the
obligatory lifetime supply. At that point the hoarders and
speculators will be out of the market and things will return to
normal.


I have two .22 cal guns .. a Ruger SR22 pistol and a Ruger 10/22 rifle.
When I purchased them the dealer threw in a box of 500 rounds for
each
gun.

I also have a couple of boxes that I had purchased previously for
another .22 cal revolver I had. I don't shoot the .22's very often so
I suspect my stash will last a while.

What I need is .380 ammo. I just bought another handgun earlier this
week for the first time in a long time. I've been thinking about a
compact pocket pistol to replace the S&W Bodyguard 380 that I had but
didn't like. Choices are limited here in MA because of the famous
"banned" list by the Attorney General's office.

I happened to visit the local gun shop I go to this past Monday. He
had two Sig Sauer P228s in the case. One had fancy engraving and pearl
grips. Too over the top for me. The other was more plain but had
nice
looking rosewood grips instead of the baseline black. I liked that one
and temptation overcame logic and it went home with me. Looks
identical
to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sauer-P238.jpg


I guess the law there makes internet sales illegal.


Very few dealers will even consider shipping to a FFL in MA because of
the confusion on what's banned and what's not. Shipping directly to the
buyer is not permitted obviously. Heck, I can't even buy ammo on-line.
MA doesn't allow that.

Many of the manufacturers of popular handguns don't bother trying to get
their models approved here either. Too much red tape and I think they
have to provide a minimum of five of each model to be tested. They are
destroyed in the process and there's no guarantee it will be approved.
Some of the rules are just plain stupid. One popular model (I think
it was a Ruger) was banned because the AG didn't like where the serial
number was placed. I guess the AG's office wants Ruger to modify their
production line just to meet their opinion of where it should be.






Is that why you didn't consider the LCP?

I considered it because I like Ruger firearms but the LCP is not MA
compliant.

On 6/12/2014 8:12 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/12/2014 7:43 AM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/11/2014 9:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/11/2014 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:34:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/11/2014 7:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:45:21 -0400, Earl wrote:

Your theory is solid except for .22LR. I can't figure that one out.

===

That will ease up also after everyone has stocked up with the
obligatory lifetime supply. At that point the hoarders and
speculators will be out of the market and things will return to
normal.


I have two .22 cal guns .. a Ruger SR22 pistol and a Ruger 10/22 rifle.
When I purchased them the dealer threw in a box of 500 rounds for
each
gun.

I also have a couple of boxes that I had purchased previously for
another .22 cal revolver I had. I don't shoot the .22's very often so
I suspect my stash will last a while.

What I need is .380 ammo. I just bought another handgun earlier this
week for the first time in a long time. I've been thinking about a
compact pocket pistol to replace the S&W Bodyguard 380 that I had but
didn't like. Choices are limited here in MA because of the famous
"banned" list by the Attorney General's office.

I happened to visit the local gun shop I go to this past Monday. He
had two Sig Sauer P228s in the case. One had fancy engraving and pearl
grips. Too over the top for me. The other was more plain but had
nice
looking rosewood grips instead of the baseline black. I liked that one
and temptation overcame logic and it went home with me. Looks
identical
to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sauer-P238.jpg


I guess the law there makes internet sales illegal.


Very few dealers will even consider shipping to a FFL in MA because of
the confusion on what's banned and what's not. Shipping directly to the
buyer is not permitted obviously. Heck, I can't even buy ammo on-line.
MA doesn't allow that.

Many of the manufacturers of popular handguns don't bother trying to get
their models approved here either. Too much red tape and I think they
have to provide a minimum of five of each model to be tested. They are
destroyed in the process and there's no guarantee it will be approved.
Some of the rules are just plain stupid. One popular model (I think
it was a Ruger) was banned because the AG didn't like where the serial
number was placed. I guess the AG's office wants Ruger to modify their
production line just to meet their opinion of where it should be.






Is that why you didn't consider the LCP?

I considered it because I like Ruger firearms but the LCP is not MA
compliant.

Not enough kick-backs to the various approving boards?

Graft, greed, nannyisnm and corruption will always be a part of the
liberal way of life

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:34:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/11/2014 7:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:45:21 -0400, Earl wrote:

Your theory is solid except for .22LR. I can't figure that one out.

===

That will ease up also after everyone has stocked up with the
obligatory lifetime supply. At that point the hoarders and
speculators will be out of the market and things will return to
normal.


I have two .22 cal guns .. a Ruger SR22 pistol and a Ruger 10/22 rifle.
When I purchased them the dealer threw in a box of 500 rounds for each
gun.

I also have a couple of boxes that I had purchased previously for
another .22 cal revolver I had. I don't shoot the .22's very often so
I suspect my stash will last a while.

What I need is .380 ammo. I just bought another handgun earlier this
week for the first time in a long time. I've been thinking about a
compact pocket pistol to replace the S&W Bodyguard 380 that I had but
didn't like. Choices are limited here in MA because of the famous
"banned" list by the Attorney General's office.

I happened to visit the local gun shop I go to this past Monday. He
had two Sig Sauer P228s in the case. One had fancy engraving and pearl
grips. Too over the top for me. The other was more plain but had nice
looking rosewood grips instead of the baseline black. I liked that one
and temptation overcame logic and it went home with me. Looks identical
to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sauer-P238.jpg


Quite like my P938, which is the 9mm counterpart.

https://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProd...8-equinox.aspx

"With the introduction of the P938, SIG SAUER now offers the ballistic advantage of the 9mm
cartridge in a platform similar in size to the best-selling P238 pistol."

I like the way it shoots, and my wife loves the damn thing!

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:34:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/11/2014 7:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:45:21 -0400, Earl wrote:

Your theory is solid except for .22LR. I can't figure that one out.

===

That will ease up also after everyone has stocked up with the
obligatory lifetime supply. At that point the hoarders and
speculators will be out of the market and things will return to
normal.


I have two .22 cal guns .. a Ruger SR22 pistol and a Ruger 10/22 rifle.
When I purchased them the dealer threw in a box of 500 rounds for each
gun.

I also have a couple of boxes that I had purchased previously for
another .22 cal revolver I had. I don't shoot the .22's very often so
I suspect my stash will last a while.

What I need is .380 ammo. I just bought another handgun earlier this
week for the first time in a long time. I've been thinking about a
compact pocket pistol to replace the S&W Bodyguard 380 that I had but
didn't like. Choices are limited here in MA because of the famous
"banned" list by the Attorney General's office.

I happened to visit the local gun shop I go to this past Monday. He
had two Sig Sauer P228s in the case. One had fancy engraving and pearl
grips. Too over the top for me. The other was more plain but had nice
looking rosewood grips instead of the baseline black. I liked that one
and temptation overcame logic and it went home with me. Looks identical
to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sauer-P238.jpg


Our WalMart has had .380 quite often.

On 6/12/2014 8:12 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/12/2014 7:43 AM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/11/2014 9:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/11/2014 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:34:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/11/2014 7:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:45:21 -0400, Earl wrote:

Your theory is solid except for .22LR. I can't figure that one out.

===

That will ease up also after everyone has stocked up with the
obligatory lifetime supply. At that point the hoarders and
speculators will be out of the market and things will return to
normal.


I have two .22 cal guns .. a Ruger SR22 pistol and a Ruger 10/22 rifle.
When I purchased them the dealer threw in a box of 500 rounds for
each
gun.

I also have a couple of boxes that I had purchased previously for
another .22 cal revolver I had. I don't shoot the .22's very often so
I suspect my stash will last a while.

What I need is .380 ammo. I just bought another handgun earlier this
week for the first time in a long time. I've been thinking about a
compact pocket pistol to replace the S&W Bodyguard 380 that I had but
didn't like. Choices are limited here in MA because of the famous
"banned" list by the Attorney General's office.

I happened to visit the local gun shop I go to this past Monday. He
had two Sig Sauer P228s in the case. One had fancy engraving and pearl
grips. Too over the top for me. The other was more plain but had
nice
looking rosewood grips instead of the baseline black. I liked that one
and temptation overcame logic and it went home with me. Looks
identical
to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sauer-P238.jpg


I guess the law there makes internet sales illegal.


Very few dealers will even consider shipping to a FFL in MA because of
the confusion on what's banned and what's not. Shipping directly to the
buyer is not permitted obviously. Heck, I can't even buy ammo on-line.
MA doesn't allow that.

Many of the manufacturers of popular handguns don't bother trying to get
their models approved here either. Too much red tape and I think they
have to provide a minimum of five of each model to be tested. They are
destroyed in the process and there's no guarantee it will be approved.
Some of the rules are just plain stupid. One popular model (I think
it was a Ruger) was banned because the AG didn't like where the serial
number was placed. I guess the AG's office wants Ruger to modify their
production line just to meet their opinion of where it should be.






Is that why you didn't consider the LCP?

I considered it because I like Ruger firearms but the LCP is not MA
compliant.

Not enough kick-backs to the various approving boards?



According to what I've read the LCP was submitted for testing and
certification but it flunked the "drop" test. In other words, it fired
when dropped.

On 6/12/2014 8:27 AM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/12/2014 8:12 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/12/2014 7:43 AM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 6/11/2014 9:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/11/2014 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:34:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 6/11/2014 7:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:45:21 -0400, Earl wrote:

Your theory is solid except for .22LR. I can't figure that one
out.

===

That will ease up also after everyone has stocked up with the
obligatory lifetime supply. At that point the hoarders and
speculators will be out of the market and things will return to
normal.


I have two .22 cal guns .. a Ruger SR22 pistol and a Ruger 10/22
rifle.
When I purchased them the dealer threw in a box of 500 rounds for
each
gun.

I also have a couple of boxes that I had purchased previously for
another .22 cal revolver I had. I don't shoot the .22's very
often so
I suspect my stash will last a while.

What I need is .380 ammo. I just bought another handgun earlier
this
week for the first time in a long time. I've been thinking about a
compact pocket pistol to replace the S&W Bodyguard 380 that I had
but
didn't like. Choices are limited here in MA because of the famous
"banned" list by the Attorney General's office.

I happened to visit the local gun shop I go to this past
Monday. He
had two Sig Sauer P228s in the case. One had fancy engraving and
pearl
grips. Too over the top for me. The other was more plain but had
nice
looking rosewood grips instead of the baseline black. I liked
that one
and temptation overcame logic and it went home with me. Looks
identical
to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sauer-P238.jpg



I guess the law there makes internet sales illegal.


Very few dealers will even consider shipping to a FFL in MA because of
the confusion on what's banned and what's not. Shipping directly
to the
buyer is not permitted obviously. Heck, I can't even buy ammo
on-line.
MA doesn't allow that.

Many of the manufacturers of popular handguns don't bother trying
to get
their models approved here either. Too much red tape and I think they
have to provide a minimum of five of each model to be tested. They
are
destroyed in the process and there's no guarantee it will be approved.
Some of the rules are just plain stupid. One popular model (I
think
it was a Ruger) was banned because the AG didn't like where the
serial
number was placed. I guess the AG's office wants Ruger to modify
their
production line just to meet their opinion of where it should be.






Is that why you didn't consider the LCP?

I considered it because I like Ruger firearms but the LCP is not MA
compliant.

Not enough kick-backs to the various approving boards?

Graft, greed, nannyisnm and corruption will always be a part of the
liberal way of life


I don't think it is CA compliant either.

On 6/12/2014 8:03 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/11/2014 7:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:45:21 -0400, Earl wrote:

Your theory is solid except for .22LR. I can't figure that one out.

===

That will ease up also after everyone has stocked up with the
obligatory lifetime supply. At that point the hoarders and
speculators will be out of the market and things will return to
normal.


I have two .22 cal guns .. a Ruger SR22 pistol and a Ruger 10/22 rifle.
When I purchased them the dealer threw in a box of 500 rounds for each
gun.

I also have a couple of boxes that I had purchased previously for
another .22 cal revolver I had. I don't shoot the .22's very often so
I suspect my stash will last a while.

What I need is .380 ammo. I just bought another handgun earlier this
week for the first time in a long time. I've been thinking about a
compact pocket pistol to replace the S&W Bodyguard 380 that I had but
didn't like. Choices are limited here in MA because of the famous
"banned" list by the Attorney General's office.

I happened to visit the local gun shop I go to this past Monday. He
had two Sig Sauer P228s in the case. One had fancy engraving and pearl
grips. Too over the top for me. The other was more plain but had nice
looking rosewood grips instead of the baseline black. I liked that one
and temptation overcame logic and it went home with me. Looks identical
to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sauer-P238.jpg

I would rather have the Colt Mustang .380.

380 ammo prices are coming down, just not as fast as the other types of
ammo.



I'd like one also but, like the Ruger LCP, the Colt Mustang is not MA
compliant.

I think the list of non-compliant handguns in MA is longer than the
list of compliant models.