So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the ********...

On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the ********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic information. We have an old NUVI
1450.

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the ********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never
used it.

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In article , says...


Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never
used it.

Plenty of use for stand-alone units.
Many people don't pay the monthly charges for cell phones, or data plans
that provide mapping. I'm one of them.
Besides, my eyes need a bigger screen, and I don't like pasting my cell
phone to the windshield.
I'm thinking about buying a new Garmin with lifetime maps.
Not thinking of changing my cellphones, which costs me ~$50 a year for
two phones.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the ********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never used it.


Problem with the ipad, Google mapping, is you have to have a reliable 3G/4G
connection. Lots of areas, at least in the west don't. My complaint on
the built in Nav systems, is the cost of updates. My wife's Toyota is a
$169+tax update. You can buy a stand alone system for less. I have an
Alpine system in my truck, with Navionics maps and have not looked at
update costs.

On 5/29/2014 6:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the ********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never
used it.

The nice thing about standalone GPS units is that you don't have to pay
the phone company to use them all of the time.



Not to mention my stand alone has a 6 inch screen so I can see it. I
would never be able to see my phone while driving and wouldn't want
anything bigger than my phone now in my pocket... But them libs always
know best Whatever's best for them is obviously best for everybody...

On Wed, 28 May 2014 11:10:40 -0400, KC wrote:

So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

I've had great luck with my Garmin, although it and I may disagree on the best route every now and
then. And I can't understand why the directions going are often different than the directions
returning, assuming the traffic hasn't jammed up.

On 5/28/2014 4:44 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 11:10:40 -0400, KC wrote:

So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

I've had great luck with my Garmin, although it and I may disagree on the best route every now and
then. And I can't understand why the directions going are often different than the directions
returning, assuming the traffic hasn't jammed up.


I had the two ways coming and going with Tom Tom too.. I found once that
a long entrance road, or access road getting on or off a highway can
make a difference and send you to a totally different direction, etc...
only takes a few seconds of calculation to make one direction shorter
one way and longer another.