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Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
A few pictures with a bit of narrative to show what a Bluegrass Festival is all about. First things
first - getting the trailer ready to go and showing the rear end to the neighbors: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010113.jpg Upon arrival, one must set up the trailer in the campsite. Granite Hill Campgrounds has plenty of sites, but not all have sewer, electric, and water. Ours did, but we reserve it a year in advance. We've been in this same site for the past several trips: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010124.jpg The music is what it's all about. Everyone brings their own lawn chairs. The big tent is for rainy weather, or just getting out of the sun. There's always a scramble for the best places to set up a chair, but once it's there it's left alone. This pic gives an idea of the number of attendees: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010136.jpg The rain tent: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010118.jpg Who could be drawing such a crowd at night when the temp was in the mid-forties? http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010154.jpg Ricky Scaggs, who else? http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010149.jpg My favorite group, the Grascals. The cute gal on the end with the banjo is Kristen Scott Benson, a spectacular banjo picker! http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010142.jpg The Seldom Scene has been around a long time, and they put on a New Year's Eve show here at the Birchmere. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010132.jpg Another favorite, the Dry Branch Fire Squad, does a great job pickin' and singin', and the lead, Ron Tomason on the right tells some great stories. He's also very, very opinionated, conservatively speaking of course! http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010130.jpg Not one of my favorites, but a great act anyway, is Rhonda Vincent and the Rage. She gets around quite a bit. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010121.jpg Of course, one shouldn't end a picture story without a kind word for what made it possible..."Thanks, Truck!" http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ng1/BowTie.jpg |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/20/14, 2:41 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
A few pictures with a bit of narrative to show what a Bluegrass Festival is all about. First things first - getting the trailer ready to go and showing the rear end to the neighbors: Wow, the Traveling Herring discovers bluegrass music 50 years after its heyday, and long after the strictly purely acoustic sound was shattered by amplified instruments. Are you also posting on rec.overcommercialized.bluegrass? |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/20/2014 4:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 2:41 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: A few pictures with a bit of narrative to show what a Bluegrass Festival is all about. First things first - getting the trailer ready to go and showing the rear end to the neighbors: Wow, the Traveling Herring discovers bluegrass music 50 years after its heyday, and long after the strictly purely acoustic sound was shattered by amplified instruments. Are you also posting on rec.overcommercialized.bluegrass? Are you also posting on Maryland Shooters? Not likely. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:42:38 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/20/2014 4:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/20/14, 2:41 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: A few pictures with a bit of narrative to show what a Bluegrass Festival is all about. First things first - getting the trailer ready to go and showing the rear end to the neighbors: Wow, the Traveling Herring discovers bluegrass music 50 years after its heyday, and long after the strictly purely acoustic sound was shattered by amplified instruments. Are you also posting on rec.overcommercialized.bluegrass? Are you also posting on Maryland Shooters? Not likely. Poor Harry! |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/20/14, 4:55 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:42:38 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 5/20/2014 4:17 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/20/14, 2:41 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: A few pictures with a bit of narrative to show what a Bluegrass Festival is all about. First things first - getting the trailer ready to go and showing the rear end to the neighbors: Wow, the Traveling Herring discovers bluegrass music 50 years after its heyday, and long after the strictly purely acoustic sound was shattered by amplified instruments. Are you also posting on rec.overcommercialized.bluegrass? Are you also posting on Maryland Shooters? Not likely. Poor Harry! If I were a praying guy, I'd pray every day in thanks that I am not a right-wing racist piece of crap like you, Herring. Really. Instead, when I see yet another of your obnoxious posts, I simply give a sigh of relief. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:41:34 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
A few pictures with a bit of narrative to show what a Bluegrass Festival is all about. First things first - getting the trailer ready to go and showing the rear end to the neighbors: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010113.jpg Upon arrival, one must set up the trailer in the campsite. Granite Hill Campgrounds has plenty of sites, but not all have sewer, electric, and water. Ours did, but we reserve it a year in advance. We've been in this same site for the past several trips: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010124.jpg The music is what it's all about. Everyone brings their own lawn chairs. The big tent is for rainy weather, or just getting out of the sun. There's always a scramble for the best places to set up a chair, but once it's there it's left alone. This pic gives an idea of the number of attendees: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010136.jpg The rain tent: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010118.jpg Who could be drawing such a crowd at night when the temp was in the mid-forties? http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010154.jpg Ricky Scaggs, who else? http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010149.jpg My favorite group, the Grascals. The cute gal on the end with the banjo is Kristen Scott Benson, a spectacular banjo picker! http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010142.jpg The Seldom Scene has been around a long time, and they put on a New Year's Eve show here at the Birchmere. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010132.jpg Another favorite, the Dry Branch Fire Squad, does a great job pickin' and singin', and the lead, Ron Tomason on the right tells some great stories. He's also very, very opinionated, conservatively speaking of course! http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010130.jpg Not one of my favorites, but a great act anyway, is Rhonda Vincent and the Rage. She gets around quite a bit. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...1/P1010121.jpg Of course, one shouldn't end a picture story without a kind word for what made it possible..."Thanks, Truck!" http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ng1/BowTie.jpg Wow. Great report, John. I'm glad y'all had a great time. There's bluegrass fests all through the mid-western state parks through the summer, and one thing I always liked is in the various campsites, there's always groups of people gathering around one place or another with their instruments singing and playing. A lot of great talent among the crowd alone. Strangers become friends really quickly. I've never gone away from a blue grass concert or camp disappointed. There's too much fun to be had. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:17:43 PM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 2:41 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: A few pictures with a bit of narrative to show what a Bluegrass Festival is all about. First things first - getting the trailer ready to go and showing the rear end to the neighbors: Wow, the Traveling Herring discovers bluegrass music 50 years after its heyday, and long after the strictly purely acoustic sound was shattered by amplified instruments. Are you also posting on rec.overcommercialized.bluegrass? Oh for pity sake, Harry. Just because you don't appreciate bluegrass doesn't mean you need to condemn those who do. Bluegrass is very old folk music and traditional. That's why some bluegrass places won't allow electric instruments. Besides, if there wasn't bluegrass, there wouldn't be any Country/Western or electric instrument filled rock. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
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Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/21/14, 12:38 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:17:43 PM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/20/14, 2:41 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: A few pictures with a bit of narrative to show what a Bluegrass Festival is all about. First things first - getting the trailer ready to go and showing the rear end to the neighbors: Wow, the Traveling Herring discovers bluegrass music 50 years after its heyday, and long after the strictly purely acoustic sound was shattered by amplified instruments. Are you also posting on rec.overcommercialized.bluegrass? Oh for pity sake, Harry. Just because you don't appreciate bluegrass doesn't mean you need to condemn those who do. Bluegrass is very old folk music and traditional. That's why some bluegrass places won't allow electric instruments. Besides, if there wasn't bluegrass, there wouldn't be any Country/Western or electric instrument filled rock. And once again, you've come to the wrong conclusion. I did not say or imply I didn't like bluegrass music. I find it humorous Herring "discovered" it 50 years after its heyday. I'm not a fan of electrified bluegrass. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
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Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/21/2014 6:15 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/21/14, 12:38 AM, Tim wrote: On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:17:43 PM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/20/14, 2:41 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: A few pictures with a bit of narrative to show what a Bluegrass Festival is all about. First things first - getting the trailer ready to go and showing the rear end to the neighbors: Wow, the Traveling Herring discovers bluegrass music 50 years after its heyday, and long after the strictly purely acoustic sound was shattered by amplified instruments. Are you also posting on rec.overcommercialized.bluegrass? Oh for pity sake, Harry. Just because you don't appreciate bluegrass doesn't mean you need to condemn those who do. Bluegrass is very old folk music and traditional. That's why some bluegrass places won't allow electric instruments. Besides, if there wasn't bluegrass, there wouldn't be any Country/Western or electric instrument filled rock. And once again, you've come to the wrong conclusion. I did not say or imply I didn't like bluegrass music. I find it humorous Herring "discovered" it 50 years after its heyday. I'm not a fan of electrified bluegrass. Just so we don't misunderstand you. What is your take on bluegrass music? |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:26:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
possible..."Thanks, Truck!" http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ng1/BowTie.jpg Wow. Great report, John. I'm glad y'all had a great time. There's bluegrass fests all through the mid-western state parks through the summer, and one thing I always liked is in the various campsites, there's always groups of people gathering around one place or another with their instruments singing and playing. A lot of great talent among the crowd alone. Strangers become friends really quickly. I've never gone away from a blue grass concert or camp disappointed. There's too much fun to be had. Yup, lots of jamming going on at Gettysburg also. Many of the professionals join the jammers at the campsites and sound doggone good! |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
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Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/21/2014 3:24 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:09:31 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:51:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I like and liked pre-amplified bluegrass. I am confused by "pre amplified bluegrass" Do you mean hearing a group in a venue so small that they did not need amps? I guess TV is out for you totally. Everyone likes a small room performance. I even enjoyed Barry Manilow at Shady Grove in Gathersburg (small dinner theater) and I hate the dude. He did work pretty hard to put on a show. You have to when you go from Mandy on the radio everywhere to dinner theater. There is a lot of bluegrass played in a small venue. It's usually called 'jamming'. A bunch of pickers get together and the only folks who can hear are sitting around right around the campsite. It would be pretty hard for a thousand folks in lawn chairs to hear anything that wasn't amplified. There's a big difference in what you consider "amplified". Back in the late 1800's and up to about 1920 or so acoustic flat top guitars were small in size. They were called "Parlor" guitars and had strings made of animal intestines or "Gut Strings". It wasn't until the 1920's that steel strings came into play. Steel stringed guitars are louder but had to be built and braced differently to tolerate the much higher string tension of steel strings. We seen more than one rare, vintage guitar originally built for gut strings (you can use nylon strings on them now) that were ruined because the owner tried putting steel strings on them. Rips the bridge right off the guitar, often taking part of the top with it. Tuned to pitch, steel strings generate about 200lbs or more of tension that is trying to rip the bridge off the guitar. Anyway, when the Big Band era started in the 1920's and 1930's acoustic guitars -- both flat tops and archtops simply weren't loud enough to be heard along with the horns, reed instruments, drums etc. in the bands. One of the first electrics was an acoustic archtop on which a pickup taken from a lapsteel guitar was mounted. It became the famous "Charlie Christian" pickup and guitar configuration. It's replacement was another large, strange magnetic pickup that evolved into the popular P90 magnetic/electric pickups used today. We had two Gibson ES-150s at the shop at one time ... one a Charlie Christian model and another had the prototype P90 on it. Both were pre-WWII guitars. "ES" by the way stands for "Electric Spanish" and Gibson first started using the "ES" nomenclature on their guitars when the first electric acoustics were introduced. Meanwhile, traditional acoustic guitars (known as "flat tops") began to grow in size in order to produce more sound. Eventually different types of acoustic pickups were developed ... piezo transducers, under the saddle sensors, body sensors and internal microphones. The output of these pickups are fed into amplifiers or PA systems to increase sound volume. I don't particularly care for acoustic guitars with these types of pickups in them because they alter the natural sound of the acoustic guitar. The unique sound of a Martin or Guild becomes lost due to the sound coloration of the pickup used. I think using a good quality stage microphone properly placed in front of the guitar produces a much better and authentic amplified sound of the guitar. It's also the way they are recorded most of the time. Solid body electric guitars are totally different. They are made to be amplified. Oh ... and Tim's basses. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/21/14, 3:09 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:51:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I like and liked pre-amplified bluegrass. I am confused by "pre amplified bluegrass" Do you mean hearing a group in a venue so small that they did not need amps? I guess TV is out for you totally. Everyone likes a small room performance. I even enjoyed Barry Manilow at Shady Grove in Gathersburg (small dinner theater) and I hate the dude. He did work pretty hard to put on a show. You have to when you go from Mandy on the radio everywhere to dinner theater. D'oh. Do you work at this? This is unamplified, or preamplified bluegrass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RvI6ZI2JWc I believe this track from The Stanley Brothers is also *pre* amplified bluegrass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXpWuzT9oY My favorite group was The Dillards, who I saw several times in person decades ago, and at the concerts I attended, all their instruments were un-amped. The terms are not esoteric. They have nothing to do with stage mikes, and everything to do with using "acoustic" instruments only...you know, non-electric guitars, non-electric basses, non-electric banjos, non-electric mandolins, non-electric dobro guitars, et cetera. Bluegrass got "electrified" or "amped" pretty heavy in the mid to late 1960s, and that's when I lost interest in it. The themes also became more "country music-ish" and less traditional. Do you understand now? |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:34:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 5/21/2014 3:24 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:09:31 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:51:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I like and liked pre-amplified bluegrass. I am confused by "pre amplified bluegrass" Do you mean hearing a group in a venue so small that they did not need amps? I guess TV is out for you totally. Everyone likes a small room performance. I even enjoyed Barry Manilow at Shady Grove in Gathersburg (small dinner theater) and I hate the dude. He did work pretty hard to put on a show. You have to when you go from Mandy on the radio everywhere to dinner theater. There is a lot of bluegrass played in a small venue. It's usually called 'jamming'. A bunch of pickers get together and the only folks who can hear are sitting around right around the campsite. It would be pretty hard for a thousand folks in lawn chairs to hear anything that wasn't amplified. There's a big difference in what you consider "amplified". Back in the late 1800's and up to about 1920 or so acoustic flat top guitars were small in size. They were called "Parlor" guitars and had strings made of animal intestines or "Gut Strings". It wasn't until the 1920's that steel strings came into play. Steel stringed guitars are louder but had to be built and braced differently to tolerate the much higher string tension of steel strings. We seen more than one rare, vintage guitar originally built for gut strings (you can use nylon strings on them now) that were ruined because the owner tried putting steel strings on them. Rips the bridge right off the guitar, often taking part of the top with it. Tuned to pitch, steel strings generate about 200lbs or more of tension that is trying to rip the bridge off the guitar. Anyway, when the Big Band era started in the 1920's and 1930's acoustic guitars -- both flat tops and archtops simply weren't loud enough to be heard along with the horns, reed instruments, drums etc. in the bands. One of the first electrics was an acoustic archtop on which a pickup taken from a lapsteel guitar was mounted. It became the famous "Charlie Christian" pickup and guitar configuration. It's replacement was another large, strange magnetic pickup that evolved into the popular P90 magnetic/electric pickups used today. We had two Gibson ES-150s at the shop at one time ... one a Charlie Christian model and another had the prototype P90 on it. Both were pre-WWII guitars. "ES" by the way stands for "Electric Spanish" and Gibson first started using the "ES" nomenclature on their guitars when the first electric acoustics were introduced. Meanwhile, traditional acoustic guitars (known as "flat tops") began to grow in size in order to produce more sound. Eventually different types of acoustic pickups were developed ... piezo transducers, under the saddle sensors, body sensors and internal microphones. The output of these pickups are fed into amplifiers or PA systems to increase sound volume. I don't particularly care for acoustic guitars with these types of pickups in them because they alter the natural sound of the acoustic guitar. The unique sound of a Martin or Guild becomes lost due to the sound coloration of the pickup used. I think using a good quality stage microphone properly placed in front of the guitar produces a much better and authentic amplified sound of the guitar. It's also the way they are recorded most of the time. Solid body electric guitars are totally different. They are made to be amplified. Oh ... and Tim's basses. Then I don't know what Harry's talking about. If one looks at the pictures I posted, the instruments are played with a microphone in front, in almost all cases. I didn't see any 'electric' guitars, or guitars with wires running to amplifiers. When I say 'guitars', I mean all the stringed instruments. I still don't understand Harry's comment about 'pre-amplified bluegrass'. The only amplification I saw was through the PA system. I suppose this is what he doesn't like, which makes little sense. Anyway, thank you for the history lesson, and I agree with your comment about a good quality microphone placed properly in front of the instrument. Gettysburg uses the same sound guys year after year, and they get rave reviews from all the performers. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/21/14, 5:56 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
Then I don't know what Harry's talking about. If one looks at the pictures I posted, the instruments are played with a microphone in front, in almost all cases. I didn't see any 'electric' guitars, or guitars with wires running to amplifiers. D'oh. You don't see many long wires running from most of the guitars to amps at a rock concert, either, if they are using wireless mikes on their instruments. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/21/2014 5:56 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:34:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/21/2014 3:24 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:09:31 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:51:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I like and liked pre-amplified bluegrass. I am confused by "pre amplified bluegrass" Do you mean hearing a group in a venue so small that they did not need amps? I guess TV is out for you totally. Everyone likes a small room performance. I even enjoyed Barry Manilow at Shady Grove in Gathersburg (small dinner theater) and I hate the dude. He did work pretty hard to put on a show. You have to when you go from Mandy on the radio everywhere to dinner theater. There is a lot of bluegrass played in a small venue. It's usually called 'jamming'. A bunch of pickers get together and the only folks who can hear are sitting around right around the campsite. It would be pretty hard for a thousand folks in lawn chairs to hear anything that wasn't amplified. There's a big difference in what you consider "amplified". Back in the late 1800's and up to about 1920 or so acoustic flat top guitars were small in size. They were called "Parlor" guitars and had strings made of animal intestines or "Gut Strings". It wasn't until the 1920's that steel strings came into play. Steel stringed guitars are louder but had to be built and braced differently to tolerate the much higher string tension of steel strings. We seen more than one rare, vintage guitar originally built for gut strings (you can use nylon strings on them now) that were ruined because the owner tried putting steel strings on them. Rips the bridge right off the guitar, often taking part of the top with it. Tuned to pitch, steel strings generate about 200lbs or more of tension that is trying to rip the bridge off the guitar. Anyway, when the Big Band era started in the 1920's and 1930's acoustic guitars -- both flat tops and archtops simply weren't loud enough to be heard along with the horns, reed instruments, drums etc. in the bands. One of the first electrics was an acoustic archtop on which a pickup taken from a lapsteel guitar was mounted. It became the famous "Charlie Christian" pickup and guitar configuration. It's replacement was another large, strange magnetic pickup that evolved into the popular P90 magnetic/electric pickups used today. We had two Gibson ES-150s at the shop at one time ... one a Charlie Christian model and another had the prototype P90 on it. Both were pre-WWII guitars. "ES" by the way stands for "Electric Spanish" and Gibson first started using the "ES" nomenclature on their guitars when the first electric acoustics were introduced. Meanwhile, traditional acoustic guitars (known as "flat tops") began to grow in size in order to produce more sound. Eventually different types of acoustic pickups were developed ... piezo transducers, under the saddle sensors, body sensors and internal microphones. The output of these pickups are fed into amplifiers or PA systems to increase sound volume. I don't particularly care for acoustic guitars with these types of pickups in them because they alter the natural sound of the acoustic guitar. The unique sound of a Martin or Guild becomes lost due to the sound coloration of the pickup used. I think using a good quality stage microphone properly placed in front of the guitar produces a much better and authentic amplified sound of the guitar. It's also the way they are recorded most of the time. Solid body electric guitars are totally different. They are made to be amplified. Oh ... and Tim's basses. Then I don't know what Harry's talking about. If one looks at the pictures I posted, the instruments are played with a microphone in front, in almost all cases. I didn't see any 'electric' guitars, or guitars with wires running to amplifiers. When I say 'guitars', I mean all the stringed instruments. I still don't understand Harry's comment about 'pre-amplified bluegrass'. The only amplification I saw was through the PA system. I suppose this is what he doesn't like, which makes little sense. Anyway, thank you for the history lesson, and I agree with your comment about a good quality microphone placed properly in front of the instrument. Gettysburg uses the same sound guys year after year, and they get rave reviews from all the performers. I think he was talking about electric guitars, guessing that you are gonna' see on in a modern bluegrass fest... Google fails the great krause again... |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:51:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I like and liked pre-amplified bluegrass. I am confused by "pre amplified bluegrass" Do you mean hearing a group in a venue so small that they did not need amps? I guess TV is out for you totally. Everyone likes a small room performance. I even enjoyed Barry Manilow at Shady Grove in Gathersburg (small dinner theater) and I hate the dude. He did work pretty hard to put on a show. You have to when you go from Mandy on the radio everywhere to dinner theater. I remember seeing Ray Charles about 1967 in a small room for a show at San Francisco State. Probably held 50 people and that was crowded. Great show. No amps required. |
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Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Wed, 21 May 2014 21:37:11 -0400, KC wrote:
On 5/21/2014 5:56 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:34:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 5/21/2014 3:24 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:09:31 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:51:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I like and liked pre-amplified bluegrass. I am confused by "pre amplified bluegrass" Do you mean hearing a group in a venue so small that they did not need amps? I guess TV is out for you totally. Everyone likes a small room performance. I even enjoyed Barry Manilow at Shady Grove in Gathersburg (small dinner theater) and I hate the dude. He did work pretty hard to put on a show. You have to when you go from Mandy on the radio everywhere to dinner theater. There is a lot of bluegrass played in a small venue. It's usually called 'jamming'. A bunch of pickers get together and the only folks who can hear are sitting around right around the campsite. It would be pretty hard for a thousand folks in lawn chairs to hear anything that wasn't amplified. There's a big difference in what you consider "amplified". Back in the late 1800's and up to about 1920 or so acoustic flat top guitars were small in size. They were called "Parlor" guitars and had strings made of animal intestines or "Gut Strings". It wasn't until the 1920's that steel strings came into play. Steel stringed guitars are louder but had to be built and braced differently to tolerate the much higher string tension of steel strings. We seen more than one rare, vintage guitar originally built for gut strings (you can use nylon strings on them now) that were ruined because the owner tried putting steel strings on them. Rips the bridge right off the guitar, often taking part of the top with it. Tuned to pitch, steel strings generate about 200lbs or more of tension that is trying to rip the bridge off the guitar. Anyway, when the Big Band era started in the 1920's and 1930's acoustic guitars -- both flat tops and archtops simply weren't loud enough to be heard along with the horns, reed instruments, drums etc. in the bands. One of the first electrics was an acoustic archtop on which a pickup taken from a lapsteel guitar was mounted. It became the famous "Charlie Christian" pickup and guitar configuration. It's replacement was another large, strange magnetic pickup that evolved into the popular P90 magnetic/electric pickups used today. We had two Gibson ES-150s at the shop at one time ... one a Charlie Christian model and another had the prototype P90 on it. Both were pre-WWII guitars. "ES" by the way stands for "Electric Spanish" and Gibson first started using the "ES" nomenclature on their guitars when the first electric acoustics were introduced. Meanwhile, traditional acoustic guitars (known as "flat tops") began to grow in size in order to produce more sound. Eventually different types of acoustic pickups were developed ... piezo transducers, under the saddle sensors, body sensors and internal microphones. The output of these pickups are fed into amplifiers or PA systems to increase sound volume. I don't particularly care for acoustic guitars with these types of pickups in them because they alter the natural sound of the acoustic guitar. The unique sound of a Martin or Guild becomes lost due to the sound coloration of the pickup used. I think using a good quality stage microphone properly placed in front of the guitar produces a much better and authentic amplified sound of the guitar. It's also the way they are recorded most of the time. Solid body electric guitars are totally different. They are made to be amplified. Oh ... and Tim's basses. Then I don't know what Harry's talking about. If one looks at the pictures I posted, the instruments are played with a microphone in front, in almost all cases. I didn't see any 'electric' guitars, or guitars with wires running to amplifiers. When I say 'guitars', I mean all the stringed instruments. I still don't understand Harry's comment about 'pre-amplified bluegrass'. The only amplification I saw was through the PA system. I suppose this is what he doesn't like, which makes little sense. Anyway, thank you for the history lesson, and I agree with your comment about a good quality microphone placed properly in front of the instrument. Gettysburg uses the same sound guys year after year, and they get rave reviews from all the performers. I think he was talking about electric guitars, guessing that you are gonna' see on in a modern bluegrass fest... Google fails the great krause again... When the electric guitars or drums show up, the seats get emptied very quickly. The Bluegrass crowd doesn't like them at all. After each performance the players go to the tent in which they sell CDs and autograph pictures, shoot the ****,. etc. On my way down to the seats, at one point, I saw a bunch of folks leaving the seats. . I asked some friends why they were leaving. They said the group coming on brought drums, which they did. The group used the drums for only one song, during which the upright bass guitar was playing anyway - and establishing a rhythm. The group was actually pretty good, and didn't need the damn drum at all. I mentioned to one of them, in the CD tent, that a lot of folks left just because they saw the drum. When they came out for their second set that evening, the drum was no where to be seen. They probably got the word from a whole bunch of folks. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Thu, 22 May 2014 01:09:27 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:36:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/21/14, 3:09 PM, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:51:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I like and liked pre-amplified bluegrass. I am confused by "pre amplified bluegrass" Do you mean hearing a group in a venue so small that they did not need amps? I guess TV is out for you totally. Everyone likes a small room performance. I even enjoyed Barry Manilow at Shady Grove in Gathersburg (small dinner theater) and I hate the dude. He did work pretty hard to put on a show. You have to when you go from Mandy on the radio everywhere to dinner theater. D'oh. Do you work at this? This is unamplified, or preamplified bluegrass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RvI6ZI2JWc I believe this track from The Stanley Brothers is also *pre* amplified bluegrass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXpWuzT9oY My favorite group was The Dillards, who I saw several times in person decades ago, and at the concerts I attended, all their instruments were un-amped. The terms are not esoteric. They have nothing to do with stage mikes, and everything to do with using "acoustic" instruments only...you know, non-electric guitars, non-electric basses, non-electric banjos, non-electric mandolins, non-electric dobro guitars, et cetera. Bluegrass got "electrified" or "amped" pretty heavy in the mid to late 1960s, and that's when I lost interest in it. The themes also became more "country music-ish" and less traditional. Do you understand now? Not really. I do not think electric guitars are bluegrass at all. I notice you did not give us an example. There was a group last year with an electric guitar - that looked like this: http://images.guitarcenter.com/products/optionLarge/GibsonCustom/DV016_Jpg_Large_515256.015_antique_vintage_sunburs t.jpg When that thing showed up about half the audience left. Most of the remaining audience left soon after. I doubt that group will ever be at Gettysburg again. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:29:05 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:26:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: possible..."Thanks, Truck!" http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ng1/BowTie.jpg Wow. Great report, John. I'm glad y'all had a great time. There's bluegrass fests all through the mid-western state parks through the summer, and one thing I always liked is in the various campsites, there's always groups of people gathering around one place or another with their instruments singing and playing. A lot of great talent among the crowd alone. Strangers become friends really quickly. I've never gone away from a blue grass concert or camp disappointed. There's too much fun to be had. Yup, lots of jamming going on at Gettysburg also. Many of the professionals join the jammers at the campsites and sound doggone good! Sometimes there's actually better talent in the camps than on the stages. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Thu, 22 May 2014 04:38:53 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:29:05 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:26:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: possible..."Thanks, Truck!" http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ng1/BowTie.jpg Wow. Great report, John. I'm glad y'all had a great time. There's bluegrass fests all through the mid-western state parks through the summer, and one thing I always liked is in the various campsites, there's always groups of people gathering around one place or another with their instruments singing and playing. A lot of great talent among the crowd alone. Strangers become friends really quickly. I've never gone away from a blue grass concert or camp disappointed. There's too much fun to be had. Yup, lots of jamming going on at Gettysburg also. Many of the professionals join the jammers at the campsites and sound doggone good! Sometimes there's actually better talent in the camps than on the stages. Very true. The campsite next to us is occupied by the leader of the 'Circa Blue' group. There is jamming at his trailer every night, until the wee hours of the morning. I usually hit the rack around 10-11pm, without hearing aids, so all I can hear is the thumping of the bass guitar. Doesn't interfere with sleep at all. Sandy usually stays up with them until 1or 2am. But, she doesn't get up with the dogs! |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/14, 7:47 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2014 04:38:53 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:29:05 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:26:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: possible..."Thanks, Truck!" http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ng1/BowTie.jpg Wow. Great report, John. I'm glad y'all had a great time. There's bluegrass fests all through the mid-western state parks through the summer, and one thing I always liked is in the various campsites, there's always groups of people gathering around one place or another with their instruments singing and playing. A lot of great talent among the crowd alone. Strangers become friends really quickly. I've never gone away from a blue grass concert or camp disappointed. There's too much fun to be had. Yup, lots of jamming going on at Gettysburg also. Many of the professionals join the jammers at the campsites and sound doggone good! Sometimes there's actually better talent in the camps than on the stages. Very true. The campsite next to us is occupied by the leader of the 'Circa Blue' group. There is jamming at his trailer every night, until the wee hours of the morning. I usually hit the rack around 10-11pm, without hearing aids, so all I can hear is the thumping of the bass guitar. Doesn't interfere with sleep at all. Sandy usually stays up with them until 1or 2am. But, she doesn't get up with the dogs! Gosh, your travels remind me of the old Woody Guthrie "camp song" lyric: At the top of the mountains they looked to the west, And it looked like the promised land. That bright green valley with a water running down, There was work for every single hand, they thought, Work for every single hand. Then the Joads rolled down to a jungle camp, There they them cooked a stew. And the hungry little kids in the jungle camp Said: "We'd like to have some, too, Ma'am." "We'd like to have some, too." -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/2014 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:36:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/21/14, 3:09 PM, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:51:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I like and liked pre-amplified bluegrass. I am confused by "pre amplified bluegrass" Do you mean hearing a group in a venue so small that they did not need amps? I guess TV is out for you totally. Everyone likes a small room performance. I even enjoyed Barry Manilow at Shady Grove in Gathersburg (small dinner theater) and I hate the dude. He did work pretty hard to put on a show. You have to when you go from Mandy on the radio everywhere to dinner theater. D'oh. Do you work at this? This is unamplified, or preamplified bluegrass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RvI6ZI2JWc I believe this track from The Stanley Brothers is also *pre* amplified bluegrass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXpWuzT9oY My favorite group was The Dillards, who I saw several times in person decades ago, and at the concerts I attended, all their instruments were un-amped. The terms are not esoteric. They have nothing to do with stage mikes, and everything to do with using "acoustic" instruments only...you know, non-electric guitars, non-electric basses, non-electric banjos, non-electric mandolins, non-electric dobro guitars, et cetera. Bluegrass got "electrified" or "amped" pretty heavy in the mid to late 1960s, and that's when I lost interest in it. The themes also became more "country music-ish" and less traditional. Do you understand now? Not really. I do not think electric guitars are bluegrass at all. I notice you did not give us an example. Unlike some here I have been going to bluegrass for decades... harry is full of ****, but I am not gonna' get in no dick measuring contest with him, he lies:) |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/14, 9:15 AM, KC wrote:
Unlike some here I have been going to bluegrass for decades... harry is full of ****, but I am not gonna' get in no dick measuring contest with him, he lies:) Survey sez your dick is so small, it isn't measurable. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/14, 11:04 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:20:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 1:11 AM, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:07:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/21/14, 5:56 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: Then I don't know what Harry's talking about. If one looks at the pictures I posted, the instruments are played with a microphone in front, in almost all cases. I didn't see any 'electric' guitars, or guitars with wires running to amplifiers. D'oh. You don't see many long wires running from most of the guitars to amps at a rock concert, either, if they are using wireless mikes on their instruments. If they didn't have amplifiers, only the first couple rows would hear it at all. I liked Richard's explanation better. D'oh. The point: that herring didn't see any wires coming from the on-stage instruments going to amps doesn't mean much in terms of defining whether they are "electric" or not, because, for example, a guitar can be electric and hooked up to an amp wirelessly. A floor-standing microphone doesn't change whether a guitar is "electric" or strictly non-electic acoustic. A wireless mike does not stop a banjo from being acoustic,.I have never seen a stratocaster at a bluegrass concert, at least not as a bluegrass act. They may bring a rock guy along on the tour in some northern venues but just to broaden the appeal and sell more tickets. It is like the rap guys getting into country music. I'm afraid you either just don't get it or you are just trying to be argumentative. Next... -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/2014 11:04 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:20:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 1:11 AM, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:07:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/21/14, 5:56 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: Then I don't know what Harry's talking about. If one looks at the pictures I posted, the instruments are played with a microphone in front, in almost all cases. I didn't see any 'electric' guitars, or guitars with wires running to amplifiers. D'oh. You don't see many long wires running from most of the guitars to amps at a rock concert, either, if they are using wireless mikes on their instruments. If they didn't have amplifiers, only the first couple rows would hear it at all. I liked Richard's explanation better. D'oh. The point: that herring didn't see any wires coming from the on-stage instruments going to amps doesn't mean much in terms of defining whether they are "electric" or not, because, for example, a guitar can be electric and hooked up to an amp wirelessly. A floor-standing microphone doesn't change whether a guitar is "electric" or strictly non-electic acoustic. A wireless mike does not stop a banjo from being acoustic,.I have never seen a stratocaster at a bluegrass concert, at least not as a bluegrass act. They may bring a rock guy along on the tour in some northern venues but just to broaden the appeal and sell more tickets. It is like the rap guys getting into country music. I have a Dean Markley Piezo (spelling all the way around?) type pickup I stick to the front of my Martin, I don't think that makes me "electric"... :) |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/14, 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2014 11:05:41 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 11:04 AM, wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:20:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 1:11 AM, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:07:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/21/14, 5:56 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: Then I don't know what Harry's talking about. If one looks at the pictures I posted, the instruments are played with a microphone in front, in almost all cases. I didn't see any 'electric' guitars, or guitars with wires running to amplifiers. D'oh. You don't see many long wires running from most of the guitars to amps at a rock concert, either, if they are using wireless mikes on their instruments. If they didn't have amplifiers, only the first couple rows would hear it at all. I liked Richard's explanation better. D'oh. The point: that herring didn't see any wires coming from the on-stage instruments going to amps doesn't mean much in terms of defining whether they are "electric" or not, because, for example, a guitar can be electric and hooked up to an amp wirelessly. A floor-standing microphone doesn't change whether a guitar is "electric" or strictly non-electic acoustic. A wireless mike does not stop a banjo from being acoustic,.I have never seen a stratocaster at a bluegrass concert, at least not as a bluegrass act. They may bring a rock guy along on the tour in some northern venues but just to broaden the appeal and sell more tickets. It is like the rap guys getting into country music. I'm afraid you either just don't get it or you are just trying to be argumentative. Next... You are right, I don't get it. I have never seen a bluegrass act with an electric guitar, Oh, I have. But I'm not referring to electric guitars, as in Stratocasters and such. I am referring to acoustic Guild, Martin, Yamaha guitars and banjos, violins, et cetera, with electronic pickups, devices that change the sound characteristics of what they are into devices that sound like something else. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Thu, 22 May 2014 08:02:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! === Porky, you should look out for those flying arse'ls. You might get hit by your own as it circles back on you. Don't be late for your next mud wrestling match. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Thu, 22 May 2014 12:07:04 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2014 08:02:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! === Porky, you should look out for those flying arse'ls. You might get hit by your own as it circles back on you. Don't be late for your next mud wrestling match. It's pure hell when a narcissist doesn't get all the attention he craves. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:20:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 1:11 AM, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:07:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/21/14, 5:56 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: Then I don't know what Harry's talking about. If one looks at the pictures I posted, the instruments are played with a microphone in front, in almost all cases. I didn't see any 'electric' guitars, or guitars with wires running to amplifiers. D'oh. You don't see many long wires running from most of the guitars to amps at a rock concert, either, if they are using wireless mikes on their instruments. If they didn't have amplifiers, only the first couple rows would hear it at all. I liked Richard's explanation better. D'oh. The point: that herring didn't see any wires coming from the on-stage instruments going to amps doesn't mean much in terms of defining whether they are "electric" or not, because, for example, a guitar can be electric and hooked up to an amp wirelessly. A floor-standing microphone doesn't change whether a guitar is "electric" or strictly non-electic acoustic. A wireless mike does not stop a banjo from being acoustic,.I have never seen a stratocaster at a bluegrass concert, at least not as a bluegrass act. They may bring a rock guy along on the tour in some northern venues but just to broaden the appeal and sell more tickets. It is like the rap guys getting into country music. You gotta do what you must. Like the Blues Brothers and Rawhide. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/2014 11:49 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/22/14, 11:24 AM, wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 11:05:41 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 11:04 AM, wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:20:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 1:11 AM, wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:07:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/21/14, 5:56 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: Then I don't know what Harry's talking about. If one looks at the pictures I posted, the instruments are played with a microphone in front, in almost all cases. I didn't see any 'electric' guitars, or guitars with wires running to amplifiers. D'oh. You don't see many long wires running from most of the guitars to amps at a rock concert, either, if they are using wireless mikes on their instruments. If they didn't have amplifiers, only the first couple rows would hear it at all. I liked Richard's explanation better. D'oh. The point: that herring didn't see any wires coming from the on-stage instruments going to amps doesn't mean much in terms of defining whether they are "electric" or not, because, for example, a guitar can be electric and hooked up to an amp wirelessly. A floor-standing microphone doesn't change whether a guitar is "electric" or strictly non-electic acoustic. A wireless mike does not stop a banjo from being acoustic,.I have never seen a stratocaster at a bluegrass concert, at least not as a bluegrass act. They may bring a rock guy along on the tour in some northern venues but just to broaden the appeal and sell more tickets. It is like the rap guys getting into country music. I'm afraid you either just don't get it or you are just trying to be argumentative. Next... You are right, I don't get it. I have never seen a bluegrass act with an electric guitar, Oh, I have. But I'm not referring to electric guitars, as in Stratocasters and such. I am referring to acoustic Guild, Martin, Yamaha guitars and banjos, violins, et cetera, with electronic pickups, devices that change the sound characteristics of what they are into devices that sound like something else. My luthier friend who has been building acoustic guitars for 38 years now cringes whenever someone wants a pickup installed in one of his guitars. In fact, he refuses. The sound of an acoustic is a function of the strings imparting their vibrations to the top wood of the guitar via the saddle, bridge and backing plate within the guitar. The top wood's response is a function of it's unique grain structure which is why three different guitars, all the exact same model and built on the same day will all sound different. It's also why cheaper laminate guitars are more uniform sounding guitar to guitar to guitar. The laminate construction takes away the unique grain structure of the top wood, so they all sound the same.... crappy. The body of the guitar is basically a speaker enclosure with the sound hole being a "tuned" port. The type of wood used for the body can brighten or darken the overall sound but it's really the top doing all the work. That's why the pickup systems can't capture the true sound of the guitar. They are only sampling a small section of the vibrating top. Knowledgeable buyers at the guitar shop will often ask Rick or myself (if I am there) to play some chords on a guitar they are interested in while they sit several feet in front of us in order to hear what it really sounds like. You can't really tell when playing it because your ears are positioned above and behind the sound hole. But people still want pickups in acoustics so they can be heard. The most natural sounding pickup system for an acoustic IMO is a passive (no batteries or pre-amp) system called a K&K Pure. It consists of three transducers precisely installed on the bridge backing plate within the guitar. The worst pickup system (IMO) is the Taylor ES system. Tinny, horrible sound and all Taylors sound the same plugged in. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/14, 1:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2014 12:07:04 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 08:02:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! === Porky, you should look out for those flying arse'ls. You might get hit by your own as it circles back on you. Don't be late for your next mud wrestling match. It's pure hell when a narcissist doesn't get all the attention he craves. You're the one who is pushing all his "hobbies" here, asshole. -- If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/2014 4:02 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/22/14, 1:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 12:07:04 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 08:02:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! === Porky, you should look out for those flying arse'ls. You might get hit by your own as it circles back on you. Don't be late for your next mud wrestling match. It's pure hell when a narcissist doesn't get all the attention he craves. You're the one who is pushing all his "hobbies" here, asshole. Try to stay on topic, Asshat. ;-) |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Thu, 22 May 2014 17:29:59 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote: On 5/22/2014 4:02 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 1:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 12:07:04 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 08:02:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! === Porky, you should look out for those flying arse'ls. You might get hit by your own as it circles back on you. Don't be late for your next mud wrestling match. It's pure hell when a narcissist doesn't get all the attention he craves. You're the one who is pushing all his "hobbies" here, asshole. Try to stay on topic, Asshat. ;-) === John's hobby posts are a great deal more interesting than YKW's political rants. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:49:53 PM UTC-7, Wayne. B wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2014 17:29:59 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 5/22/2014 4:02 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 1:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 12:07:04 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 08:02:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! === Porky, you should look out for those flying arse'ls. You might get hit by your own as it circles back on you. Don't be late for your next mud wrestling match. It's pure hell when a narcissist doesn't get all the attention he craves. You're the one who is pushing all his "hobbies" here, asshole. Try to stay on topic, Asshat. ;-) === John's hobby posts are a great deal more interesting than YKW's political rants. I always enjoy reading of his travels. |
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival - What the hell is that?
On 5/22/2014 5:49 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 22 May 2014 17:29:59 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote: On 5/22/2014 4:02 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/22/14, 1:43 PM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 12:07:04 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2014 08:02:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: If right-wing assholes could fly, rec.boats would be an airport! === Porky, you should look out for those flying arse'ls. You might get hit by your own as it circles back on you. Don't be late for your next mud wrestling match. It's pure hell when a narcissist doesn't get all the attention he craves. You're the one who is pushing all his "hobbies" here, asshole. Try to stay on topic, Asshat. ;-) === John's hobby posts are a great deal more interesting than YKW's political rants. Agreed. Who cares about Harry's political bullcrap. |
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