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Some of y'all seem to be forgetting that a major contributing factor is the paint under the snaps.
The natural aluminum does a better job resisting.

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On 5/19/2014 9:31 PM, True North wrote:
Some of y'all seem to be forgetting that a major contributing factor is the paint under the snaps.
The natural aluminum does a better job resisting.

It's the paint's fault? Come on Don get grip.

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On Monday, May 19, 2014 9:53:14 PM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:

It's the paint's fault? Come on Don get grip.

Well, he IS ****ing STUPID.

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On Mon, 19 May 2014 18:31:11 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Some of y'all seem to be forgetting that a major contributing factor is the paint under the snaps.

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That is very unlikely. The paint blisters are a symptom not a cause.
Corrosion forms a white powder at the junction of the dissimilar
metals (Aluminum and SS), and that causes the paint to lift.

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On Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:33:32 AM UTC-7, True North wrote:
Yesterday I was on the Legend website where they have a chat function.

I asked the rep about the snaps and she confirmed that they were indeed stainless steel.

She then asked if I had any other concerns.

I felt chatty so I informed her about the corrosion problem... not really expecting to much back.

She went right to the warranty manager and quoted him as saying salt water corrosion was an unpredictable process and not really a warranty problem. He also stated they didn't recommend their boats be used in salt water.

First I heard of this and no where have I seen this in writing nor did the dealer mention it.

They did say to forward pictures of the blisters and they would consult with the dealer on what to do.

Looks like I may be looking for a good Jewish lawyer.

nice for them to tell that to you now, Don. When they sold you the boat, did they ask you 'where' you'd be boating. If the did and you told them, they should have made other hull structure recomendations

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Yes Tim, I did tell them my favorite boating destinations...which are all salt water.
Unless you have cottage on a lake and plan to just leave the boat there, you'd really be limiting yourself in this area.
All the interesting areas to cruise are on the ocean.

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On 5/20/2014 6:57 AM, True North wrote:
Yes Tim, I did tell them my favorite boating destinations...which are all salt water.
Unless you have cottage on a lake and plan to just leave the boat there, you'd really be limiting yourself in this area.
All the interesting areas to cruise are on the ocean.

Does your boat builder have a dealership at an ocean location?

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Duh, Jimmy.
I bought mine at the only dealer in the entire Atlantic Canada region and it's within walking distance of the Northumberland Strait, which is part of the Atlantic Ocean.
I noticed from the Legend site that there are two Quebec dealers near the mouth of the St Lawrence River where the water is salty.
Looks like there is at least one dealer on the West Coast too.

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On 5/20/2014 8:14 AM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/20/2014 6:57 AM, True North wrote:
Yes Tim, I did tell them my favorite boating destinations...which are
all salt water.
Unless you have cottage on a lake and plan to just leave the boat
there, you'd really be limiting yourself in this area.
All the interesting areas to cruise are on the ocean.

Does your boat builder have a dealership at an ocean location?

Don. Here's a guide to help you select a proper boat

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On 5/20/14, 8:39 AM, True North wrote:
Duh, Jimmy.
I bought mine at the only dealer in the entire Atlantic Canada region and it's within walking distance of the Northumberland Strait, which is part of the Atlantic Ocean.
I noticed from the Legend site that there are two Quebec dealers near the mouth of the St Lawrence River where the water is salty.
Looks like there is at least one dealer on the West Coast too.



If you need yet another reason to put FlaJim in your bozo bin, you have
it. The only reason he posts here is to see if he can aggravate those
who don't share his asshole political opinions. Why toss him a bone he
can chew on by acknowledging his posts? Like several of the righties who
pollute this newsgroup, he is boatless and whatever boating knowledge he
might have had ended when those 1970 and 1980 outdrives gave up the ghost.

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On 5/20/2014 8:45 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 8:39 AM, True North wrote:
Duh, Jimmy.
I bought mine at the only dealer in the entire Atlantic Canada region
and it's within walking distance of the Northumberland Strait, which
is part of the Atlantic Ocean.
I noticed from the Legend site that there are two Quebec dealers near
the mouth of the St Lawrence River where the water is salty.
Looks like there is at least one dealer on the West Coast too.



If you need yet another reason to put FlaJim in your bozo bin, you have
it. The only reason he posts here is to see if he can aggravate those
who don't share his asshole political opinions. Why toss him a bone he
can chew on by acknowledging his posts? Like several of the righties who
pollute this newsgroup, he is boatless and whatever boating knowledge he
might have had ended when those 1970 and 1980 outdrives gave up the ghost.

As usual, you are way off base. Politics repulses me. I seek to agitate
assholes. Simple as that. Have a wonderful day.

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On 5/20/2014 8:14 AM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/20/2014 6:57 AM, True North wrote:
Yes Tim, I did tell them my favorite boating destinations...which are
all salt water.
Unless you have cottage on a lake and plan to just leave the boat
there, you'd really be limiting yourself in this area.
All the interesting areas to cruise are on the ocean.

Does your boat builder have a dealership at an ocean location?

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On Thu, 15 May 2014 05:00:06 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

My new boat started to develop blisters under the gunnel paint where the cover snaps are attached.
After the 2nd season of use, I brought this to the attention of the dealer and Legend boats up in Ontario.
This was last October and the manufacturer still hasn't come up with a plan to remedy the problem.
I did the usual Google research and sent the links to the service manager at my dealer.

Guy at Legend said he didn't want to talk directly with me and problem should be handled through dealer.
They also wanted me to tow the boat back to the dealer ( 180 miles round trip ) so techs could check for stray current, which I did while down anyway for winter servicing. No stray current from my motor.
They also suggested that it could be a stray current problem at the docks I frequent or stray current at local, marinas.
I explained that most of the small boat launches I use have no electrical services and anyway, I'm only there long enough to get my trailer and retrieve the boat.
Anyway I just contacted the General Manager of the dealership (member of family who owns the business) who acted as my salesman two years ago when I showed up while the sales staff were away at a boat show.
He says he will look into problem.

From what I read, we have to remove the snaps that screw directly into the painted aluminum gunnel, sand, prime and paint affected areas.
Then we have to find a suitable gasket or washer to isolate the snap and the aluminum and even coat the shafts of the attaching screw with liquid electrical tape or silicone to isolate them as possible.

My question is, can those self tapping screws be backed out of the aluminum and then be re-installed?
I broke two bits trying with a hand screwdriver last fall, so I google up higher rated impact type bits like the Makita Gold
That should hold up in my corded drill/driver.
Anyone ever attempt this.

Don, I came into this thread late, but I'll give you my two cents worth anyway. Trash the snaps.
Fill the holes with JB Weld for aluminum, or something safe, and get a boat cover that ties on like
the one I had for the Key West. No metal touches the boat and the thing held up very well with heavy
snowfall. As you keep your boat in your yard, you can easily go out and brush the snow off, if that
worries you. Something like this:

http://tinyurl.com/oq8gcdv

There is no way I'd ever put holes into the body of anything to install snaps.

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John, the snaps were installed at the factory to support the standup boat cover that you would use while underway.
This cover came as standard equipment with this boat.
I did order the optional stem to stern custom fit travel and summer storage cover because Legend claimed you could trailer it down the highway installed on the boat.

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On 5/20/2014 10:09 AM, True North wrote:
John, the snaps were installed at the factory to support the standup boat cover that you would use while underway.
This cover came as standard equipment with this boat.
I did order the optional stem to stern custom fit travel and summer storage cover because Legend claimed you could trailer it down the highway installed on the boat.


How are all of Legend's claims working out for you?
Show me where Legend claims you can travel down the highway with the
storage cover installed.

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Went to a local maker of boat covers within walking distance of home and wasn't surprised to hear that they do come across the problem regularly....especially with older boats in for a new cover.
Guh gave me a few tips of how he frees up corroded screws etc.
Then went to the local marine supply store where I talked to an ex coast guard guy who used to install aluminum towers and stainless fittings on our salty coast.
He told me they used nylon washers and gaskets to separate the metals and recommend dedicated a product called Lanocote to apply to the screw shafts.
They didn't carry PB Blaster but he advised that a local hardware store did, so that was my next stop.
Took a peek at their manual impact screw driver, but at $43. I'll see if I really need it.
If I can't find the proper washers locally I may go over time Princess Auto and buy the property sized punch to make my own washers out of ice cream plastic containers.

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I was hoping we could maybe use the next size bigger self tappin screw, otherwise it might be a chore removing the the inner panels to get to the bottom of the gunnels in order to use a bolt and nut faster.

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I was hoping we could maybe use the next size bigger self tappin screw, otherwise it might be a chore removing the the inner panels to get to the bottom of the gunnels in order to use a bolt and nut faster.

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On Tue, 20 May 2014 10:03:24 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Went to a local maker of boat covers within walking distance of home and wasn't surprised to hear that they do come across the problem regularly....especially with older boats in for a new cover.
Guh gave me a few tips of how he frees up corroded screws etc.
Then went to the local marine supply store where I talked to an ex coast guard guy who used to install aluminum towers and stainless fittings on our salty coast.
He told me they used nylon washers and gaskets to separate the metals and recommend dedicated a product called Lanocote to apply to the screw shafts.
They didn't carry PB Blaster but he advised that a local hardware store did, so that was my next stop.
Took a peek at their manual impact screw driver, but at $43. I'll see if I really need it.
If I can't find the proper washers locally I may go over time Princess Auto and buy the property sized punch to make my own washers out of ice cream plastic containers.

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It sounds like your on the right track.

For nylon washers, Amazon is your friend:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Hillman-Gr.../dp/B00HYLZBCU

If you have trouble finding PB Blaster you can make your own with a
50/50 mixture of ATF (transmission fluid) and Acetone.

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Bought the PB Blaster at Canadian Tire's auto dept.

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On Tue, 20 May 2014 07:09:56 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

John, the snaps were installed at the factory to support the standup boat cover that you would use while underway.
This cover came as standard equipment with this boat.
I did order the optional stem to stern custom fit travel and summer storage cover because Legend claimed you could trailer it down the highway installed on the boat.

OK, but I'd still remove the snaps and fill the holes. I'd never trailer a boat down the highway
with the cover on regardless of the manufacturer's claims.

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On Tue, 20 May 2014 11:12:00 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

I was hoping we could maybe use the next size bigger self tappin screw, otherwise it might be a chore removing the the inner panels to get to the bottom of the gunnels in order to use a bolt and nut faster.

Nope, bad idea. Fill the holes and put straps on the cover - or buy one with the straps.

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You're missing the point John.
Your suggestions would take care of the stem to stern travel/mooring cover but make the state drive uo can. As unusable.
Think Bimini with full separate side and back panels that you would operate the boat under in foul weather.

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On 5/20/2014 4:14 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 11:12:00 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

I was hoping we could maybe use the next size bigger self tappin screw, otherwise it might be a chore removing the the inner panels to get to the bottom of the gunnels in order to use a bolt and nut faster.

Nope, bad idea. Fill the holes and put straps on the cover - or buy one with the straps.


He paid $666 for that snap on cover. Now you want he should put straps
on it? He might as well have invested in a $20 tarp.

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On 5/20/2014 4:31 PM, True North wrote:
You're missing the point John.
Your suggestions would take care of the stem to stern travel/mooring cover but make the state drive uo can. As unusable.
Think Bimini with full separate side and back panels that you would operate the boat under in foul weather.

You would be well advised to put your small boat ashore in foul weather.
All that canvas would tend to make the boat awfully tippy and less
controllable.

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On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:31:29 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

You're missing the point John.
Your suggestions would take care of the stem to stern travel/mooring cover but make the state drive uo can. As unusable.
Think Bimini with full separate side and back panels that you would operate the boat under in foul weather.

Don't understand this part: "...but make the state drive uo can."

I suppose I'd have to see a picture. But, I'd sure figure out a way to get rid of the source of your
problem, even if I had to operate in foul weather without side and back panels. I've never used that
stuff in foul weather, but your thunderstorms may be worse than ours.

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On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:47:11 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:

On 5/20/2014 4:31 PM, True North wrote:
You're missing the point John.
Your suggestions would take care of the stem to stern travel/mooring cover but make the state drive uo can. As unusable.
Think Bimini with full separate side and back panels that you would operate the boat under in foul weather.

You would be well advised to put your small boat ashore in foul weather.
All that canvas would tend to make the boat awfully tippy and less
controllable.

I agree.

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True North wrote:
Some of y'all seem to be forgetting that a major contributing factor is the paint under the snaps.
The natural aluminum does a better job resisting.

Whatever the problem, it's still poorly built.

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On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:32:28 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 5/20/2014 4:14 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 11:12:00 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

I was hoping we could maybe use the next size bigger self tappin screw, otherwise it might be a chore removing the the inner panels to get to the bottom of the gunnels in order to use a bolt and nut faster.

Nope, bad idea. Fill the holes and put straps on the cover - or buy one with the straps.


He paid $666 for that snap on cover. Now you want he should put straps
on it? He might as well have invested in a $20 tarp.

===

The issue as I understand it, is that he also has a spray
dodger/enclosure that uses the same snaps. Spray dodgers are common
in northern climes, especially on smaller open boats. They can make
it possible to go boating in conditions that would otherwise be wet,
cold and miserable.

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On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:09:26 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2014 07:09:56 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

John, the snaps were installed at the factory to support the standup boat cover that you would use while underway.
This cover came as standard equipment with this boat.
I did order the optional stem to stern custom fit travel and summer storage cover because Legend claimed you could trailer it down the highway installed on the boat.

OK, but I'd still remove the snaps and fill the holes. I'd never trailer a boat down the highway
with the cover on regardless of the manufacturer's claims.

===

Why not? I trailed a 24 foot runabout from Connecticut to Florida
with the cover on and with no damage. We were running at interstate
highway speeds of 70+ most of the way.

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True North wrote:
Went to a local maker of boat covers within walking distance of home and wasn't surprised to hear that they do come across the problem regularly....especially with older boats in for a new cover.
Guh gave me a few tips of how he frees up corroded screws etc.
Then went to the local marine supply store where I talked to an ex coast guard guy who used to install aluminum towers and stainless fittings on our salty coast.
He told me they used nylon washers and gaskets to separate the metals and recommend dedicated a product called Lanocote to apply to the screw shafts.
They didn't carry PB Blaster but he advised that a local hardware store did, so that was my next stop.
Took a peek at their manual impact screw driver, but at $43. I'll see if I really need it.
If I can't find the proper washers locally I may go over time Princess Auto and buy the property sized punch to make my own washers out of ice cream plastic containers.


Now *that's* funny!

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True North wrote:
I was hoping we could maybe use the next size bigger self tappin screw, otherwise it might be a chore removing the the inner panels to get to the bottom of the gunnels in order to use a bolt and nut faster.
If you go that way, ask for self _tapping_ screws. You'll get better
results.

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True North wrote:
Went to a local maker of boat covers within walking distance of home and wasn't surprised to hear that they do come across the problem regularly....especially with older boats in for a new cover.
Guh gave me a few tips of how he frees up corroded screws etc.
Then went to the local marine supply store where I talked to an ex coast guard guy who used to install aluminum towers and stainless fittings on our salty coast.
He told me they used nylon washers and gaskets to separate the metals and recommend dedicated a product called Lanocote to apply to the screw shafts.
They didn't carry PB Blaster but he advised that a local hardware store did, so that was my next stop.
Took a peek at their manual impact screw driver, but at $43. I'll see if I really need it.
If I can't find the proper washers locally I may go over time Princess Auto and buy the property sized punch to make my own washers out of ice cream plastic containers.
"Guh" sounds like a decent guy.

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True North wrote:
You're missing the point John.
Your suggestions would take care of the stem to stern travel/mooring cover but make the state drive uo can. As unusable.
Think Bimini with full separate side and back panels that you would operate the boat under in foul weather.


I'm thinking the guy that corrected a few of my typos can't spell or
write in complete sentences.

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On 5/20/2014 8:00 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:32:28 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 5/20/2014 4:14 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 11:12:00 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

I was hoping we could maybe use the next size bigger self tappin screw, otherwise it might be a chore removing the the inner panels to get to the bottom of the gunnels in order to use a bolt and nut faster.

Nope, bad idea. Fill the holes and put straps on the cover - or buy one with the straps.


He paid $666 for that snap on cover. Now you want he should put straps
on it? He might as well have invested in a $20 tarp.

===

The issue as I understand it, is that he also has a spray
dodger/enclosure that uses the same snaps. Spray dodgers are common
in northern climes, especially on smaller open boats. They can make
it possible to go boating in conditions that would otherwise be wet,
cold and miserable.

What's wrong with foul weather gear. I'm sure you have it and use it.

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On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:43:18 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

The issue as I understand it, is that he also has a spray
dodger/enclosure that uses the same snaps. Spray dodgers are common
in northern climes, especially on smaller open boats. They can make
it possible to go boating in conditions that would otherwise be wet,
cold and miserable.

What's wrong with foul weather gear. I'm sure you have it and use it.

===

I used to use it a lot when I was racing sailboats in the North East
because that was the only thing that could keep you dry, not so much
here in Florida or farther south. Most people in the North East who
fish from smaller power boats have some sort of spray protection *and*
they wear foul weather gear. If I'm running on a wet windy day in the
tropics I'll usually wear a bathing suit, rinse it off at the end of
the day and call it good.

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On 5/20/2014 10:59 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:43:18 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

The issue as I understand it, is that he also has a spray
dodger/enclosure that uses the same snaps. Spray dodgers are common
in northern climes, especially on smaller open boats. They can make
it possible to go boating in conditions that would otherwise be wet,
cold and miserable.

What's wrong with foul weather gear. I'm sure you have it and use it.

===

I used to use it a lot when I was racing sailboats in the North East
because that was the only thing that could keep you dry, not so much
here in Florida or farther south. Most people in the North East who
fish from smaller power boats have some sort of spray protection *and*
they wear foul weather gear. If I'm running on a wet windy day in the
tropics I'll usually wear a bathing suit, rinse it off at the end of
the day and call it good.

There is a benefit from boating in a tropical or sub tropical climate.
It sure beats dodging icebergs and windmills up north. :-)

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On Wed, 21 May 2014 03:12:04 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

There is a benefit from boating in a tropical or sub tropical climate.
It sure beats dodging icebergs and windmills up north. :-)

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I think windmills are kind of cool, icebergs not so much. I'm of the
opinon that most of the people who fight windfarms are experiencing
rectal-cranial inversions. Every large windmill generates the
equivalent power of a 2,000 hp diesel engine, approximately 100
gallons per hour of fuel that could be going to some higher purpose
like running my boat or your RV. :-)

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On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:26:31 -0400, wrote:

Nantucket may be one of the places where it could make sense though,
simply because they don't want a power plant on the shore either and
they still want the lights to come on when they flip the switch.
New power line right of way is as hard to come up with as power
plants.

===

Heh. Nantucket Sound makes a lot of sense because there is a lot of
wind there and so much fog that no one will see them on most days.

Nantucket Sound is the home of the infamous Figawi sailboat race -
humorously named for the mythical tribe of Figawi indians - who,
legend has it, went around in the fog saying: "Where the figawi?".

(say it slowly with a Boston accent)

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Bingo.. Prize goes to Wayne.
I actually have three covers for my boat.
The winter Navigloo structure and heavy tarp that does a good job for the elongated late fall/winter/spring season.
The stem to stern travel/mooring additional accessory cover that uses some of the factory installed snaps and expects you to install half a dozen more both sides on the gunnels.
Lastly the stand up foul weather "canvas" meant to extend your boating season up here.
This cover and it's 4 extra panels are why a couple dozen male snaps are attached to the boat..along the gunnels, around the curved walk through wind shield, on the stern, etc.etc.