On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 10:27 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:11:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 06:43:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/29/2014 6:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:36:37 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
... well, really just dreaming. Came across some "bargains". LOL



My favorite is number 2, "Balboa" (scroll down the page a bit)



Assuming I could afford the initial fuel fillup, it should last the

rest of my boating days.



http://funnysun.net/luxury-yachts-1-million-2/

That is a nice boat. 2000 hp deutz single. I liked how it was called N "Expeditionary" yacht.



I did some more research on it. It was originally a heavy duty fishing
trawler. The current owners started a conversion process in 2010 with
the intent to turn it into a luxury live-a-board yacht.

They removed all the fishing well tanks, the DC generators, winches and
all fishing related gear to make space for 6 additional cabins. I think
that's where they stopped and decided to sell it. I found a listing
where it is being offered for $345K.


===

Figure about $40K to 50K everytime you fill it up with diesel, and
another $50K to 100K+/year for maintenance/insurance. Given the fact
that there must be *serious* unresolved issues to bring it on the
market at that price, they should probably pay someone to take it off
their hands. Better to get an old Hatteras or Bertram in the 50 to 60
ft range if you want a real bargain that you can actually use.



No question about it. That's why I mentioned that for the number of
years I have left for boating I'd probably only have to fill it up once.
Range is 5,000 nm. :-) Plus, who knows what it will take to
complete the conversion.

I've often talked about how much I liked the Navigator. There's an
interesting story behind that line.

A naval architect by the name of Jule Marshall originally owned and
designed boats called "Californian Yachts" back in the 1970s. The
company produced a trawler type boat to compete with Grand Banks and
other trawlers that were made in Asia. The first ones he designed and
built received high grades in boating reviews and put him on the map.

For whatever reason (probably financial) he sold Californian Yachts in
the mid 1980s to Wellcraft who, in turn, sold it to Carver. They
acquired the name only and did not build any of the original designs.

In the late 1980s after a non-compete associated with the sale expired,
Marshall started production of the Navigator line. They are very
similar to the original Californian Yachts in many respects.

Then, in 1998 Marshall purchased the Californian name back. He is now
building both Navigators and a new line of Californian Yachts, both
trawler types and cruising sedans. I like this one, although I'd
probably go for one of his trawler types instead. This one is 50'
and is called the Veneti. Very modern but traditional, clean lines.
The master stateroom is great .. bed, couch, desk. Check out the fuel
efficiency specs. Not too shabby for 50' boat capable of cruising at 21
knots. Only thing I am not crazy about is that it uses Zeus drives.

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/50veneti/

It is definitely not a boat I would buy based on looks. But, to each his own.



You would never like the one I'd be more inclined to buy then. My
interest is comfort, ride, build quality and ability to spend weeks at a
time on a boat. Go fast types really don't interest me anymore. The
Navigator I had was built like a tank with stringers and structural
bulkheads that were humongous compared to comparable boats of it's size.

Here's a trawler type made by Californian Yachts:

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/48cal/index.html


Now *that* is a beautiful boat, and I'd guess its ride, build, and overall enjoyability would match
the Veniti. The Veniti just looks like a 'go fast' boat, to me. I don't remember which Navigator you
had, but as I recall I liked the looks of it - a lot more than those of the Veniti.

On 3/29/2014 10:49 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 10:27 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:11:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 06:43:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/29/2014 6:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:36:37 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
... well, really just dreaming. Came across some "bargains". LOL



My favorite is number 2, "Balboa" (scroll down the page a bit)



Assuming I could afford the initial fuel fillup, it should last the

rest of my boating days.



http://funnysun.net/luxury-yachts-1-million-2/

That is a nice boat. 2000 hp deutz single. I liked how it was called N "Expeditionary" yacht.



I did some more research on it. It was originally a heavy duty fishing
trawler. The current owners started a conversion process in 2010 with
the intent to turn it into a luxury live-a-board yacht.

They removed all the fishing well tanks, the DC generators, winches and
all fishing related gear to make space for 6 additional cabins. I think
that's where they stopped and decided to sell it. I found a listing
where it is being offered for $345K.


===

Figure about $40K to 50K everytime you fill it up with diesel, and
another $50K to 100K+/year for maintenance/insurance. Given the fact
that there must be *serious* unresolved issues to bring it on the
market at that price, they should probably pay someone to take it off
their hands. Better to get an old Hatteras or Bertram in the 50 to 60
ft range if you want a real bargain that you can actually use.



No question about it. That's why I mentioned that for the number of
years I have left for boating I'd probably only have to fill it up once.
Range is 5,000 nm. :-) Plus, who knows what it will take to
complete the conversion.

I've often talked about how much I liked the Navigator. There's an
interesting story behind that line.

A naval architect by the name of Jule Marshall originally owned and
designed boats called "Californian Yachts" back in the 1970s. The
company produced a trawler type boat to compete with Grand Banks and
other trawlers that were made in Asia. The first ones he designed and
built received high grades in boating reviews and put him on the map.

For whatever reason (probably financial) he sold Californian Yachts in
the mid 1980s to Wellcraft who, in turn, sold it to Carver. They
acquired the name only and did not build any of the original designs.

In the late 1980s after a non-compete associated with the sale expired,
Marshall started production of the Navigator line. They are very
similar to the original Californian Yachts in many respects.

Then, in 1998 Marshall purchased the Californian name back. He is now
building both Navigators and a new line of Californian Yachts, both
trawler types and cruising sedans. I like this one, although I'd
probably go for one of his trawler types instead. This one is 50'
and is called the Veneti. Very modern but traditional, clean lines.
The master stateroom is great .. bed, couch, desk. Check out the fuel
efficiency specs. Not too shabby for 50' boat capable of cruising at 21
knots. Only thing I am not crazy about is that it uses Zeus drives.

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/50veneti/

It is definitely not a boat I would buy based on looks. But, to each his own.



You would never like the one I'd be more inclined to buy then. My
interest is comfort, ride, build quality and ability to spend weeks at a
time on a boat. Go fast types really don't interest me anymore. The
Navigator I had was built like a tank with stringers and structural
bulkheads that were humongous compared to comparable boats of it's size.

Here's a trawler type made by Californian Yachts:

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/48cal/index.html


Now *that* is a beautiful boat, and I'd guess its ride, build, and overall enjoyability would match
the Veniti. The Veniti just looks like a 'go fast' boat, to me. I don't remember which Navigator you
had, but as I recall I liked the looks of it - a lot more than those of the Veniti.



The Navigator I had was called a "Pilothouse". Sorta a cross between a
trawler and a sedan type cruiser.

I think the photo they used for the Veniti is deceiving. It looks like
it's about a 28'boat. You have to remember that it's almost twice that
length. Here's another pic I found with it underway and up on plane:

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Californian50.jpg

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:07:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 10:49 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 10:27 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:11:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 06:43:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/29/2014 6:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:36:37 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
... well, really just dreaming. Came across some "bargains". LOL



My favorite is number 2, "Balboa" (scroll down the page a bit)



Assuming I could afford the initial fuel fillup, it should last the

rest of my boating days.



http://funnysun.net/luxury-yachts-1-million-2/

That is a nice boat. 2000 hp deutz single. I liked how it was called N "Expeditionary" yacht.



I did some more research on it. It was originally a heavy duty fishing
trawler. The current owners started a conversion process in 2010 with
the intent to turn it into a luxury live-a-board yacht.

They removed all the fishing well tanks, the DC generators, winches and
all fishing related gear to make space for 6 additional cabins. I think
that's where they stopped and decided to sell it. I found a listing
where it is being offered for $345K.


===

Figure about $40K to 50K everytime you fill it up with diesel, and
another $50K to 100K+/year for maintenance/insurance. Given the fact
that there must be *serious* unresolved issues to bring it on the
market at that price, they should probably pay someone to take it off
their hands. Better to get an old Hatteras or Bertram in the 50 to 60
ft range if you want a real bargain that you can actually use.



No question about it. That's why I mentioned that for the number of
years I have left for boating I'd probably only have to fill it up once.
Range is 5,000 nm. :-) Plus, who knows what it will take to
complete the conversion.

I've often talked about how much I liked the Navigator. There's an
interesting story behind that line.

A naval architect by the name of Jule Marshall originally owned and
designed boats called "Californian Yachts" back in the 1970s. The
company produced a trawler type boat to compete with Grand Banks and
other trawlers that were made in Asia. The first ones he designed and
built received high grades in boating reviews and put him on the map.

For whatever reason (probably financial) he sold Californian Yachts in
the mid 1980s to Wellcraft who, in turn, sold it to Carver. They
acquired the name only and did not build any of the original designs.

In the late 1980s after a non-compete associated with the sale expired,
Marshall started production of the Navigator line. They are very
similar to the original Californian Yachts in many respects.

Then, in 1998 Marshall purchased the Californian name back. He is now
building both Navigators and a new line of Californian Yachts, both
trawler types and cruising sedans. I like this one, although I'd
probably go for one of his trawler types instead. This one is 50'
and is called the Veneti. Very modern but traditional, clean lines.
The master stateroom is great .. bed, couch, desk. Check out the fuel
efficiency specs. Not too shabby for 50' boat capable of cruising at 21
knots. Only thing I am not crazy about is that it uses Zeus drives.

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/50veneti/

It is definitely not a boat I would buy based on looks. But, to each his own.



You would never like the one I'd be more inclined to buy then. My
interest is comfort, ride, build quality and ability to spend weeks at a
time on a boat. Go fast types really don't interest me anymore. The
Navigator I had was built like a tank with stringers and structural
bulkheads that were humongous compared to comparable boats of it's size.

Here's a trawler type made by Californian Yachts:

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/48cal/index.html


Now *that* is a beautiful boat, and I'd guess its ride, build, and overall enjoyability would match
the Veniti. The Veniti just looks like a 'go fast' boat, to me. I don't remember which Navigator you
had, but as I recall I liked the looks of it - a lot more than those of the Veniti.



The Navigator I had was called a "Pilothouse". Sorta a cross between a
trawler and a sedan type cruiser.

I think the photo they used for the Veniti is deceiving. It looks like
it's about a 28'boat. You have to remember that it's almost twice that
length. Here's another pic I found with it underway and up on plane:

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Californian50.jpg


That's a tad better, but to me it still looks like something that belongs on the Italian Riveria!

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:07:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/29/2014 10:49 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 10:27 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:11:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 06:43:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/29/2014 6:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:36:37 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
... well, really just dreaming. Came across some "bargains". LOL



My favorite is number 2, "Balboa" (scroll down the page a bit)



Assuming I could afford the initial fuel fillup, it should last the

rest of my boating days.



http://funnysun.net/luxury-yachts-1-million-2/

That is a nice boat. 2000 hp deutz single. I liked how it was called N "Expeditionary" yacht.



I did some more research on it. It was originally a heavy duty fishing
trawler. The current owners started a conversion process in 2010 with
the intent to turn it into a luxury live-a-board yacht.

They removed all the fishing well tanks, the DC generators, winches and
all fishing related gear to make space for 6 additional cabins. I think
that's where they stopped and decided to sell it. I found a listing
where it is being offered for $345K.


===

Figure about $40K to 50K everytime you fill it up with diesel, and
another $50K to 100K+/year for maintenance/insurance. Given the fact
that there must be *serious* unresolved issues to bring it on the
market at that price, they should probably pay someone to take it off
their hands. Better to get an old Hatteras or Bertram in the 50 to 60
ft range if you want a real bargain that you can actually use.



No question about it. That's why I mentioned that for the number of
years I have left for boating I'd probably only have to fill it up once.
Range is 5,000 nm. :-) Plus, who knows what it will take to
complete the conversion.

I've often talked about how much I liked the Navigator. There's an
interesting story behind that line.

A naval architect by the name of Jule Marshall originally owned and
designed boats called "Californian Yachts" back in the 1970s. The
company produced a trawler type boat to compete with Grand Banks and
other trawlers that were made in Asia. The first ones he designed and
built received high grades in boating reviews and put him on the map.

For whatever reason (probably financial) he sold Californian Yachts in
the mid 1980s to Wellcraft who, in turn, sold it to Carver. They
acquired the name only and did not build any of the original designs.

In the late 1980s after a non-compete associated with the sale expired,
Marshall started production of the Navigator line. They are very
similar to the original Californian Yachts in many respects.

Then, in 1998 Marshall purchased the Californian name back. He is now
building both Navigators and a new line of Californian Yachts, both
trawler types and cruising sedans. I like this one, although I'd
probably go for one of his trawler types instead. This one is 50'
and is called the Veneti. Very modern but traditional, clean lines.
The master stateroom is great .. bed, couch, desk. Check out the fuel
efficiency specs. Not too shabby for 50' boat capable of cruising at 21
knots. Only thing I am not crazy about is that it uses Zeus drives.

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/50veneti/

It is definitely not a boat I would buy based on looks. But, to each his own.



You would never like the one I'd be more inclined to buy then. My
interest is comfort, ride, build quality and ability to spend weeks at a
time on a boat. Go fast types really don't interest me anymore. The
Navigator I had was built like a tank with stringers and structural
bulkheads that were humongous compared to comparable boats of it's size.

Here's a trawler type made by Californian Yachts:

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/48cal/index.html


Now *that* is a beautiful boat, and I'd guess its ride, build, and overall enjoyability would match
the Veniti. The Veniti just looks like a 'go fast' boat, to me. I don't remember which Navigator you
had, but as I recall I liked the looks of it - a lot more than those of the Veniti.



The Navigator I had was called a "Pilothouse". Sorta a cross between a
trawler and a sedan type cruiser.

I think the photo they used for the Veniti is deceiving. It looks like
it's about a 28'boat. You have to remember that it's almost twice that
length. Here's another pic I found with it underway and up on plane:

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Californian50.jpg


===

Why not another Navigator?

I never understood why you sold it.

On 3/29/2014 2:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:07:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/29/2014 10:49 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:35:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 10:27 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:11:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/29/2014 8:13 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 06:43:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/29/2014 6:02 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:36:37 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
... well, really just dreaming. Came across some "bargains". LOL



My favorite is number 2, "Balboa" (scroll down the page a bit)



Assuming I could afford the initial fuel fillup, it should last the

rest of my boating days.



http://funnysun.net/luxury-yachts-1-million-2/

That is a nice boat. 2000 hp deutz single. I liked how it was called N "Expeditionary" yacht.



I did some more research on it. It was originally a heavy duty fishing
trawler. The current owners started a conversion process in 2010 with
the intent to turn it into a luxury live-a-board yacht.

They removed all the fishing well tanks, the DC generators, winches and
all fishing related gear to make space for 6 additional cabins. I think
that's where they stopped and decided to sell it. I found a listing
where it is being offered for $345K.


===

Figure about $40K to 50K everytime you fill it up with diesel, and
another $50K to 100K+/year for maintenance/insurance. Given the fact
that there must be *serious* unresolved issues to bring it on the
market at that price, they should probably pay someone to take it off
their hands. Better to get an old Hatteras or Bertram in the 50 to 60
ft range if you want a real bargain that you can actually use.



No question about it. That's why I mentioned that for the number of
years I have left for boating I'd probably only have to fill it up once.
Range is 5,000 nm. :-) Plus, who knows what it will take to
complete the conversion.

I've often talked about how much I liked the Navigator. There's an
interesting story behind that line.

A naval architect by the name of Jule Marshall originally owned and
designed boats called "Californian Yachts" back in the 1970s. The
company produced a trawler type boat to compete with Grand Banks and
other trawlers that were made in Asia. The first ones he designed and
built received high grades in boating reviews and put him on the map.

For whatever reason (probably financial) he sold Californian Yachts in
the mid 1980s to Wellcraft who, in turn, sold it to Carver. They
acquired the name only and did not build any of the original designs.

In the late 1980s after a non-compete associated with the sale expired,
Marshall started production of the Navigator line. They are very
similar to the original Californian Yachts in many respects.

Then, in 1998 Marshall purchased the Californian name back. He is now
building both Navigators and a new line of Californian Yachts, both
trawler types and cruising sedans. I like this one, although I'd
probably go for one of his trawler types instead. This one is 50'
and is called the Veneti. Very modern but traditional, clean lines.
The master stateroom is great .. bed, couch, desk. Check out the fuel
efficiency specs. Not too shabby for 50' boat capable of cruising at 21
knots. Only thing I am not crazy about is that it uses Zeus drives.

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/50veneti/

It is definitely not a boat I would buy based on looks. But, to each his own.



You would never like the one I'd be more inclined to buy then. My
interest is comfort, ride, build quality and ability to spend weeks at a
time on a boat. Go fast types really don't interest me anymore. The
Navigator I had was built like a tank with stringers and structural
bulkheads that were humongous compared to comparable boats of it's size.

Here's a trawler type made by Californian Yachts:

http://www.navigatoryachts.com/models/48cal/index.html


Now *that* is a beautiful boat, and I'd guess its ride, build, and overall enjoyability would match
the Veniti. The Veniti just looks like a 'go fast' boat, to me. I don't remember which Navigator you
had, but as I recall I liked the looks of it - a lot more than those of the Veniti.



The Navigator I had was called a "Pilothouse". Sorta a cross between a
trawler and a sedan type cruiser.

I think the photo they used for the Veniti is deceiving. It looks like
it's about a 28'boat. You have to remember that it's almost twice that
length. Here's another pic I found with it underway and up on plane:

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/Californian50.jpg




===

Why not another Navigator?

I never understood why you sold it.


Me either. Actually, I do. We had it and the Grand Banks at the same
time, both on dockominiums on the Cape. (Kingman Yacht Center). After
having them for a few years we decided we really didn't need both since
the only one who could run them was me. Mrs.E. loved piloting the GB
once we were underway but never felt comfortable docking, etc. Being a
single screw it took some practice and a bit of skill, things she had
neither of.

Anyway, we liked both boats for different reasons and would have been
happy keeping either one of them. So, we put them up for sale at about
the same time one fall thinking we'd keep the one didn't didn't sell first.

As luck would have it we received offers on *both* boats within a week
of each other, subject to all the standard stuff .. survey and sea
trial. We were forced to decide, so we accepted both offers thinking
that in the final price negotiations we could dig in our heels at some
point. It didn't happen. Both boats passed the surveys with only
minor issues. We did the sea trial in the middle of the winter on the
them. In fact they had to be rescheduled for a week because the back
basin area where the boats was kept froze over. The buyer for the
Grand Banks initially waived the sea trial, but we went for a ride
anyway because Kingman launched it thinking there *would* be a sea
trial. The buyer knew the prior owner of the particular boat we had.
That boat had quite a history. The guy we bought it from put a lot of
miles on it, including going south, through the Panama Canal and up the
West Coast to San Francisco. He left the log book in the boat when we
bought it. Made for some interesting reading. He sold it to us and
bought a bigger one (like yours) to continue his travels.

In retrospect I wish we had kept the Navigator but that's water over the
dam now. The GB was a great little boat but was nowhere near as
comfortable as the Navigator. It was also due for some updating,
particularly all the below the waterline feedthroughs and penetrations.
It was an older boat (1984), didn't have A/C (I rigged my own) and
although it ran fine, the little Ford Lehman diesel had 7,400 hours on
it when we bought it. I was a little concerned about that but the
surveyor said "it's just about broken in".