On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:36:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/30/2014 11:20 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 07:03:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I've often thought it would be interesting to attach 8 of them to a v8.

===

Only an old time Italian Ferrari mechanic could keep them all in sync
and the linkage would drive you nutz.

:-)



Back in my classic car collecting days I had a 1965 Pontiac Catalina 2+2
with the 421ci engine. It had the "tri-power" setup (three, two barrel
carbs) with what they used to call "progressive linkage". Despite the
best efforts by me and a mechanically inclined friend we could never get
it to run right throughout it's RPM range under load. Ended up
replacing the carbs and manifold with a single, 4 barrel setup and it
went like a raped ape.

That was a powerful car. 4 speed manual, on the floor.


'Three deuces' was the rage for a bit - a short bit.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:14:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:54:41 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:36:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/30/2014 11:20 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 07:03:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I've often thought it would be interesting to attach 8 of them to a v8.

===

Only an old time Italian Ferrari mechanic could keep them all in sync
and the linkage would drive you nutz.

:-)



Back in my classic car collecting days I had a 1965 Pontiac Catalina 2+2
with the 421ci engine. It had the "tri-power" setup (three, two barrel
carbs) with what they used to call "progressive linkage". Despite the
best efforts by me and a mechanically inclined friend we could never get
it to run right throughout it's RPM range under load. Ended up
replacing the carbs and manifold with a single, 4 barrel setup and it
went like a raped ape.

That was a powerful car. 4 speed manual, on the floor.


'Three deuces' was the rage for a bit - a short bit.

EFI made the whole archaic carburetor technology obsolete.
The power we are getting out of small blocks puts my old 327s to shame
and reliability is magnitudes better. They are getting much more HP
per Cu/In at the wheel than they used to get at the crank.
I wouldn't be surprised to see EFI weed eaters and lawn mowers in the
next few years. The microprocessor would cost less than a buck. The
enclosure and connectors will be more of the price than the chip.
The only trick I see is how you power the chip and injectors until you
get it going. If this is an electric start lawn tractor, that is not
an issue.

If the manufactures could develop some type of standard, it seems a rechargeable battery, such as a
LiPo, could provide the energy. Or, a plug in to a cigarette lighter, just to get the chain saw,
mower, weed eater, whatever, started.

On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:37:34 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:14:20 -0400, wrote:


EFI made the whole archaic carburetor technology obsolete.
The power we are getting out of small blocks puts my old 327s to shame
and reliability is magnitudes better. They are getting much more HP
per Cu/In at the wheel than they used to get at the crank.
I wouldn't be surprised to see EFI weed eaters and lawn mowers in the
next few years. The microprocessor would cost less than a buck. The
enclosure and connectors will be more of the price than the chip.
The only trick I see is how you power the chip and injectors until you
get it going. If this is an electric start lawn tractor, that is not
an issue.

If the manufactures could develop some type of standard, it seems a rechargeable battery, such as a
LiPo, could provide the energy. Or, a plug in to a cigarette lighter, just to get the chain saw,
mower, weed eater, whatever, started.

Actually you could probably do it with a capacitor, like the old
Triumph trick. Then you don't have the battery problem at all.
Yank the cord a few times with the ignition off to charge the cap,
turn it on yank and go.


"Super" and "Ultra" capacitors are becoming more common in many low
current applications and can replace a battery in many cases. I first
learned about them when a company up here in MA started making under
saddle acoustic guitar pickups using a Super Capacitor instead of the
traditional 9 volt battery to power the pickup's pre-amplifier (located
in the guitar). The pickup is supplied with a small AC adaptor that
has a standard, 1/4" guitar plug on it's output. You simply plug the
plug into the guitar's output jack, plug the AC power supply into the
wall, wait for 60 seconds and remove. The Super capacitor typically
powers the preamp for about 40 hours of continuous play. When
discharged, you just repeat the process. I had guitars that I
initially charged and two months later they still played fine without a
recharge.

I think some of the crank type flashlights also use Super Capacitors.
Again, how long it takes before a recharge is required depends on the
current draw.

On 3/30/2014 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:53:54 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:37:34 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:14:20 -0400, wrote:


EFI made the whole archaic carburetor technology obsolete.
The power we are getting out of small blocks puts my old 327s to shame
and reliability is magnitudes better. They are getting much more HP
per Cu/In at the wheel than they used to get at the crank.
I wouldn't be surprised to see EFI weed eaters and lawn mowers in the
next few years. The microprocessor would cost less than a buck. The
enclosure and connectors will be more of the price than the chip.
The only trick I see is how you power the chip and injectors until you
get it going. If this is an electric start lawn tractor, that is not
an issue.

If the manufactures could develop some type of standard, it seems a rechargeable battery, such as a
LiPo, could provide the energy. Or, a plug in to a cigarette lighter, just to get the chain saw,
mower, weed eater, whatever, started.

Actually you could probably do it with a capacitor, like the old
Triumph trick. Then you don't have the battery problem at all.
Yank the cord a few times with the ignition off to charge the cap,
turn it on yank and go.


"Super" and "Ultra" capacitors are becoming more common in many low
current applications and can replace a battery in many cases. I first
learned about them when a company up here in MA started making under
saddle acoustic guitar pickups using a Super Capacitor instead of the
traditional 9 volt battery to power the pickup's pre-amplifier (located
in the guitar). The pickup is supplied with a small AC adaptor that
has a standard, 1/4" guitar plug on it's output. You simply plug the
plug into the guitar's output jack, plug the AC power supply into the
wall, wait for 60 seconds and remove. The Super capacitor typically
powers the preamp for about 40 hours of continuous play. When
discharged, you just repeat the process. I had guitars that I
initially charged and two months later they still played fine without a
recharge.

I think some of the crank type flashlights also use Super Capacitors.
Again, how long it takes before a recharge is required depends on the
current draw.


I doubt the super caps would have the current to fire injectors. They
are really meant for long term, low current loads.
In this case you need something that gives you a high current, short
duration shot and only has to hold the charge for a few seconds to
start it. Once it is going that is more like milliseconds. You would
not need much of a charging coil in the stator to keep things going.


Gee. Diesels got along fine without electricity for years.
Fuel + Air = Runs (assuming you can turn them over with a crank)

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:27:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/30/2014 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:53:54 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/30/2014 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:37:34 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:14:20 -0400, wrote:


EFI made the whole archaic carburetor technology obsolete.
The power we are getting out of small blocks puts my old 327s to shame
and reliability is magnitudes better. They are getting much more HP
per Cu/In at the wheel than they used to get at the crank.
I wouldn't be surprised to see EFI weed eaters and lawn mowers in the
next few years. The microprocessor would cost less than a buck. The
enclosure and connectors will be more of the price than the chip.
The only trick I see is how you power the chip and injectors until you
get it going. If this is an electric start lawn tractor, that is not
an issue.

If the manufactures could develop some type of standard, it seems a rechargeable battery, such as a
LiPo, could provide the energy. Or, a plug in to a cigarette lighter, just to get the chain saw,
mower, weed eater, whatever, started.

Actually you could probably do it with a capacitor, like the old
Triumph trick. Then you don't have the battery problem at all.
Yank the cord a few times with the ignition off to charge the cap,
turn it on yank and go.


"Super" and "Ultra" capacitors are becoming more common in many low
current applications and can replace a battery in many cases. I first
learned about them when a company up here in MA started making under
saddle acoustic guitar pickups using a Super Capacitor instead of the
traditional 9 volt battery to power the pickup's pre-amplifier (located
in the guitar). The pickup is supplied with a small AC adaptor that
has a standard, 1/4" guitar plug on it's output. You simply plug the
plug into the guitar's output jack, plug the AC power supply into the
wall, wait for 60 seconds and remove. The Super capacitor typically
powers the preamp for about 40 hours of continuous play. When
discharged, you just repeat the process. I had guitars that I
initially charged and two months later they still played fine without a
recharge.

I think some of the crank type flashlights also use Super Capacitors.
Again, how long it takes before a recharge is required depends on the
current draw.


I doubt the super caps would have the current to fire injectors. They
are really meant for long term, low current loads.
In this case you need something that gives you a high current, short
duration shot and only has to hold the charge for a few seconds to
start it. Once it is going that is more like milliseconds. You would
not need much of a charging coil in the stator to keep things going.


Gee. Diesels got along fine without electricity for years.
Fuel + Air = Runs (assuming you can turn them over with a crank)



We had a gas pony engine to start the diesel on the Cat on the farm. That worked, if you could get
the pony started. That was the 'crank'!
Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrt06cdkpk8

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:14:20 AM UTC-7, wrote:
per Cu/In at the wheel than they used to get at the crank.

I wouldn't be surprised to see EFI weed eaters and lawn mowers in the

next few years. The microprocessor would cost less than a buck. The

enclosure and connectors will be more of the price than the chip.

The only trick I see is how you power the chip and injectors until you

get it going. If this is an electric start lawn tractor, that is not

an issue.

They're already out...

http://www.kohlerengines.com/differe...ctionworks.htm

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:21:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:00:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:14:20 AM UTC-7, wrote:
per Cu/In at the wheel than they used to get at the crank.

I wouldn't be surprised to see EFI weed eaters and lawn mowers in the

next few years. The microprocessor would cost less than a buck. The

enclosure and connectors will be more of the price than the chip.

The only trick I see is how you power the chip and injectors until you

get it going. If this is an electric start lawn tractor, that is not

an issue.

They're already out...

http://www.kohlerengines.com/differe...ctionworks.htm

Those are on the high end of "small engines" but that is what I am
talking about.


But the EFI ones are not in the chain saw/mower/weedeater size.