On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:37:13 PM UTC-7, wrote:


I have gone out of my way to forget carb kits.



It is like painting. I know how to do it but I hate it.

If you don't have access to a hot tank, "rebuilding" carbs can be a

frustrating exercise. There always seems to be one passage you don't

get completely clean and that is usually the one that caused the

problem in the first place.

Yep!

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 15:37:13 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:29:03 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:19:51 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:51:20 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Now that the 4 strokes are getting better, there is very little

advantage to an I/O.

My mother's family all ran "Bay Built" work boats with inboards and I

thought an I/O was the best of both worlds until I got down here.

The ones I was familiar with on the Chesapeake were still trailer

boats. Down here the only I/Os you see are "go fasts" with big block

V-8s that seldom get wet.

I know exactly what you're saying Greg. But unless you have a sail boat, and like to pay slip rents, around here, trailer boating rules. Mercruiser alpha 1's are easy to come by due to long term use. I mean' it's kinda hard to improve a hammer.

And I/0 engines are something that most parts you can get through NAPA. Like carb kits, solenoids, belts etc. I wouldn't use an automotive water pump, though...

What's a "carb kit"?

I haven't had anything bigger than a lawn mower with a carb in 15
years. These days those tune up parts are not really that important.
On a 4 stroke outboard the maintenance is mostly oil changes.
You still have thermostats, impellers and anodes in your stern drive.
Those are the other common maintenance parts.
If you are running in salt water you will need fresh water cooling so
you will be adding the heat exchanger parts to your maintenance
schedule, along with all of those rubber parts that keep your boat
from sinking.
I think the advent of EFI 4 strokes pushed outboards past the I/O and
you can get 350HP in an outboard. I hear rumors a 400 is in the works
from the majors.

If you want a boutique manufacturer, there is Seven Marine, putting a
Northstar Cadillac engine in an outboard. (557HP and looking at
something over 600 from what I hear)

This is what I'd call a 'carb kit', although it's not for a V6.

http://www.harpermoto.com/carburettor-gasket-kit.html

For when it's cold, rainy, and you're looking for something to do.

I have gone out of my way to forget carb kits.

It is like painting. I know how to do it but I hate it.
If you don't have access to a hot tank, "rebuilding" carbs can be a
frustrating exercise. There always seems to be one passage you don't
get completely clean and that is usually the one that caused the
problem in the first place.

Guzzi carbs aren't near as complicated as a 2 or 4 barrel auto carb. I tried to rebuild one of those
4 barrels when I was about 19. Got it back on the car, had a friend hit the starter, and gas came
flowing out the top of the carb. I never tried again until I got a Moto Guzzi. They're pretty easy
to work on.

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:19:51 AM UTC-7,

What's a "carb kit"?


a 'carb kit' is one of those things full of gaskets, springs and a lot of stuff you don't need. But the gaskets are helpful on reassembly, after taking the carburator apart to clean it all out,becausse after letting it sit for a couple years and corrode the insides.

Of course you knew that... ?;^ )





I haven't had anything bigger than a lawn mower with a carb in 15

years. These days those tune up parts are not really that important.

They can be as of reason previously stated.

I know EFI is a great thing which made carburation obsolete, but unless you already have a late model boat that the engine is factory equipped with the EFI, a change over is quite expensive. A 'carb kit' is a whole lot cheaper...



On a 4 stroke outboard the maintenance is mostly oil changes.

You still have thermostats, impellers and anodes in your stern drive.

Those are the other common maintenance parts.

If you are running in salt water you will need fresh water cooling so

you will be adding the heat exchanger parts to your maintenance

schedule, along with all of those rubber parts that keep your boat

from sinking.

I think the advent of EFI 4 strokes pushed outboards past the I/O and

you can get 350HP in an outboard. I hear rumors a 400 is in the works

from the majors.

Oh that's true Greg. No argument from me, But here I/O's are plentiful and easy to work on and are still extremely popular. Especially since both my brothers have Alpha drives it's great to have a line of spare parts.

Over the past few years, I've bought 4 scrap boats and stripped them down for parts. The engines were junk (poor winterizing, but the Alpha outdrives were good. Got a couple stainless props and one had a new Gimbal bearing previously installed the year before. Trailers too.

Got all for about the price of a reman lower end. So I'm gonna be in the I/O business for quire a while.





If you want a boutique manufacturer, there is Seven Marine, putting a

Northstar Cadillac engine in an outboard. (557HP and looking at

something over 600 from what I hear)

I've seen pics, and read specs of those.

http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/te...-7-marine.html


But an asking price of approx. $75,000.00 a copy, is just a tad bit out of my price league...

Woah!

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:44:31 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:19:51 AM UTC-7,

What's a "carb kit"?


a 'carb kit' is one of those things full of gaskets, springs and a lot of stuff you don't need. But the gaskets are helpful on reassembly, after taking the carburator apart to clean it all out,becausse after letting it sit for a couple years and corrode the insides.

Of course you knew that... ?;^ )





I haven't had anything bigger than a lawn mower with a carb in 15

years. These days those tune up parts are not really that important.

They can be as of reason previously stated.

I know EFI is a great thing which made carburation obsolete, but unless you already have a late model boat that the engine is factory equipped with the EFI, a change over is quite expensive. A 'carb kit' is a whole lot cheaper...



On a 4 stroke outboard the maintenance is mostly oil changes.

You still have thermostats, impellers and anodes in your stern drive.

Those are the other common maintenance parts.

If you are running in salt water you will need fresh water cooling so

you will be adding the heat exchanger parts to your maintenance

schedule, along with all of those rubber parts that keep your boat

from sinking.

I think the advent of EFI 4 strokes pushed outboards past the I/O and

you can get 350HP in an outboard. I hear rumors a 400 is in the works

from the majors.

Oh that's true Greg. No argument from me, But here I/O's are plentiful and easy to work on and are still extremely popular. Especially since both my brothers have Alpha drives it's great to have a line of spare parts.

Over the past few years, I've bought 4 scrap boats and stripped them down for parts. The engines were junk (poor winterizing, but the Alpha outdrives were good. Got a couple stainless props and one had a new Gimbal bearing previously installed the year before. Trailers too.

Got all for about the price of a reman lower end. So I'm gonna be in the I/O business for quire a while.


I'm jealous 'cause you've got a place to store all that stuff you've picked up!

On 3/29/2014 12:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 03:17:19 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:56:20 AM UTC-7, wrote:

I imagine he is just trying to stir up some actual boating content. It

is a shame he has to dig that deep to find it.



I am not sure we still have any I/O guys here tho.



Personally I think they are "trailer boat only" in most applications.

I am not sure I want to keep rubber parts below the water line on a

boat that stays in the water around here.

Hey, these ancient posts have a wealth of info. and I'm enjoying them .

Greg, I could switch over to outboards, I've had a few of those too.

?;^ )

Now that the 4 strokes are getting better, there is very little
advantage to an I/O.
My mother's family all ran "Bay Built" work boats with inboards and I
thought an I/O was the best of both worlds until I got down here.
The ones I was familiar with on the Chesapeake were still trailer
boats. Down here the only I/Os you see are "go fasts" with big block
V-8s that seldom get wet.


Unless things have changed in the last few years I can think of one
significant advantage of an I/O. What's the price of a 200-300hp four
stroke outboard compared to the cost of an I/O setup? Not that I like
I/Os, but they are cheaper. Or used to be.

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 14:12:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Unless things have changed in the last few years I can think of one
significant advantage of an I/O. What's the price of a 200-300hp four
stroke outboard compared to the cost of an I/O setup? Not that I like
I/Os, but they are cheaper. Or used to be.

===

It's difficult to evaluate the cost unless you are rebuilding or
repowering. My runabout mechanic says that he can get remaunfactured
Chevy blocks for about $3k with about that much additional in labor
for the swap out. That's a lot cheaper than a new outboard of that
size. Mine would probably be a tad more since I've got the 6.2L EFI
rated at 325 hp (basically a Corvette engine).

I believe the 6.2s are common in chevy trucks these days. I'd guess you boat probably has more in common with them than the vette. The vette version starts at 430hp.

On 3/29/14, 4:56 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 04:02:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/28/2014 10:38 PM, Tim wrote:


Just curious Tim ... where are you reading these posts? You just
replied to a post that was made on August 14, 1999.



I imagine he is just trying to stir up some actual boating content. It
is a shame he has to dig that deep to find it.


snerk




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On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 19:38:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Saturday, August 14, 1999 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, JamesGang wrote:
Some of the older merc magnums had them. They used to be more common in small blocks but
truth is that any small block with less than 400hp doesn't need 4 bolt mains. And my own
truck gas engine experience has been that you'll see 50 thrown rods and broken pistons for
every broken crank or main cap.

I agree with the rest of the post though. You're better off with the 350 than the 305.

john sipkens wrote:

I have never seen a 4 bolt main yet in common marine engine, OMC, Mrec, Volvo?

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In a *quality* marine engine, they use a steel crank, 4-bolt
main caps, and forged pistons. This is not to say that you
will find these desirable items in every marine/auto engine.
The head gaskets are more corrosion resistant also.

None of the differences are critical, if you don't use the
engine hard, or run in salt water. If you do either, then
you want the sturdier components.

350 to 305? Didn't you notice you're going the wrong
direction? No, you won't notice any improvement in fuel
economy. I'll give you one guess what you *will* notice,
tho.

FWIW, the "targetmaster" is the el cheapo GM replacement. I
wouldn't buy one.

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Agreed. I have a 305 in my '77 Marquis. It's turning into a nice boat, that is, when i get the interior finished. But if I have problems with the stock 305, I'll put a 350 in it's place. A lot better power per fuel usage.

The 350 did a good job of pushing that 21' Proline across the water! My SIL had a v6 in his
Chapparal 24'er, and it pushed that boat nicely also. Might be something to consider if you don't
need a lot of speed.

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 6:58:46 AM UTC-7, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 19:38:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

The 350 did a good job of pushing that 21' Proline across the water! My SIL had a v6 in his

Chapparal 24'er, and it pushed that boat nicely also. Might be something to consider if you don't

need a lot of speed.

The GM v-6 is a great and durable engine, that packs a good punch with 'reasonable' economy. the bad part about swapping from a small-block to the v-8 is that the exhaust manifolds are different, (for obvious reasons), where small v8's would likely interchange.

Plus, small v's are in plentiful supply.

Otherwise...