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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On 3/10/14, 9:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 20:07:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/10/14, 8:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 16:48:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/10/14, 4:34 PM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:05:22 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 19:46:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Again, perhaps you could point to one 'righty' in here who likes what Putin has done. I can't say I really "like" what Putin has done but I do not think it rises to the level of something we need to do anything about. That is particularly true if we do more than Europe is willing to do. Compared to Putin, Netanyahu is a war criminal. I'm not sure what we could do about Putin. Dick Cheney has ideas that apparently involved the military. Perhaps he'll share those ideas, though I have no idea why anyone would pay attention to that war criminal. Considering what Bibi is facing in terms of countries and terrorists who would like to push the Jewish Israelis into the sea, I don't have problems with what he is doing. The threats to Israel are serious and real and, again, he's probably killed a lot less Arabs and Muslims than George W. Bush killed Iraqis and Afghanis, and the latter weren't attempting to destroy the United States. Perhaps if they were not building new settlements on the West Bank every day, they might not be such a terror target. It is pretty easy to call those terrorists, freedom fighters when they are attacking a bunch of European colonialists that took their country by force in 1947-8 and continues to expand into more territory since then. I can't understand why you can hug the Viet Cong and criticize the PLO. You are certainly not consistent. Don't even try to justify it with land claims made in a book you call a fairy tale. The Eastern Europeans had no more claim to Palestine than the Germans had to Eastern Europe and they both took it the same way. I've never "hugged" the Viet Cong. Further, there is no comparison between what happened in Vietnam before, during and after WWII, and the establishment of Israel. You certainly have posted things here that align you far closer with the Viet Cong than the United States but that is not the analogy I was making. The expansion of the original occupation of Palestine is as close to "Lebensraum" as anything Putin is doing in Crimea. They have continuously occupied the Crimea since long before the war of that name. The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. The dirtiest hands in the Vietnam fiasco belong to the French and the United States, and the hands were dirtied long before our serious, direct military involvement in that country. |
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#3
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On 3/11/14, 1:05 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/10/14, 9:28 PM, wrote: You certainly have posted things here that align you far closer with the Viet Cong than the United States but that is not the analogy I was making. The expansion of the original occupation of Palestine is as close to "Lebensraum" as anything Putin is doing in Crimea. They have continuously occupied the Crimea since long before the war of that name. The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. Telling a lie over and over does not make it true. The Europeans who moved into Palestine since 1948 would have to go back 10 generations or more to find a single ancestor who lived there before. Some if not most never had one. What lie? The Jews were in that land long before the Muslim religion existed. The dirtiest hands in the Vietnam fiasco belong to the French and the United States, and the hands were dirtied long before our serious, direct military involvement in that country. Perhaps but there were certainly plenty of South Vietnamese who did not want to be ruled by the North. They wanted closer ties to the west and less influence by the northern communists. Was it worth 56000 American lives? Probably not but the Vietnamese death toll was going to be a huge number either way. The communists killed more people in Vietnam and Cambodia after we left than died during the whole 10 years of the war. *Probably not* ? There was nothing about our war against Vietnam that was worth one American life. |
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#4
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On 3/11/14, 12:28 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:54:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/11/14, 1:05 AM, wrote: On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/10/14, 9:28 PM, wrote: You certainly have posted things here that align you far closer with the Viet Cong than the United States but that is not the analogy I was making. The expansion of the original occupation of Palestine is as close to "Lebensraum" as anything Putin is doing in Crimea. They have continuously occupied the Crimea since long before the war of that name. The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. Telling a lie over and over does not make it true. The Europeans who moved into Palestine since 1948 would have to go back 10 generations or more to find a single ancestor who lived there before. Some if not most never had one. What lie? The Jews were in that land long before the Muslim religion existed. Some Jews but not THOSE Jews. Oh, and you think the Arabs who left the new state of Israel in 1948 are the same Arabs who are terrorists there today? |
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#5
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On 3/11/14, 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:36:49 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/11/14, 12:28 PM, wrote: What lie? The Jews were in that land long before the Muslim religion existed. Some Jews but not THOSE Jews. Oh, and you think the Arabs who left the new state of Israel in 1948 are the same Arabs who are terrorists there today? The 911 terrorists were mostly Saudi and that was supposed to be a response to our troops in Saudi Arabia but we would not be there if we were not propping up Israel. If this was just about oil, we would not give a **** which camel jockey we were buying it from, Saddam, the Saudis or the kuwaiti royal family. We are just there insuring the people we deal with will ignore Israel. Unfortunately we are losing the power to do that and still keep the mirage of supporting democracy. For that matter, the only way Israel can call itself a democracy is to suppress the vote of the Palestinians. Voter suppression, I thought you were against that. I wasn't talking about the Saudi 9/11 terrorists. I was talking about the Palestinian terrorists. As for the Palestinians, even their Arab sponsors in adjacent lands don't want them. You know why? |
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 01:05:42 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/10/14, 9:28 PM, wrote: You certainly have posted things here that align you far closer with the Viet Cong than the United States but that is not the analogy I was making. The expansion of the original occupation of Palestine is as close to "Lebensraum" as anything Putin is doing in Crimea. They have continuously occupied the Crimea since long before the war of that name. The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. Telling a lie over and over does not make it true. The Europeans who moved into Palestine since 1948 would have to go back 10 generations or more to find a single ancestor who lived there before. Some if not most never had one. The dirtiest hands in the Vietnam fiasco belong to the French and the United States, and the hands were dirtied long before our serious, direct military involvement in that country. Perhaps but there were certainly plenty of South Vietnamese who did not want to be ruled by the North. They wanted closer ties to the west and less influence by the northern communists. Was it worth 56000 American lives? Probably not but the Vietnamese death toll was going to be a huge number either way. The communists killed more people in Vietnam and Cambodia after we left than died during the whole 10 years of the war. That last sentence is worth repeating, "The communists killed more people in Vietnam and Cambodia after we left than died during the whole 10 years of the war." But that matters naught. To the eyes of FOAD, the Communists are the good guys and the Americans are the bad. Always. |
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On 3/11/14, 7:45 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 01:05:42 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/10/14, 9:28 PM, wrote: You certainly have posted things here that align you far closer with the Viet Cong than the United States but that is not the analogy I was making. The expansion of the original occupation of Palestine is as close to "Lebensraum" as anything Putin is doing in Crimea. They have continuously occupied the Crimea since long before the war of that name. The "original" occupation of what is now Israel predates the Muslim religion. Telling a lie over and over does not make it true. The Europeans who moved into Palestine since 1948 would have to go back 10 generations or more to find a single ancestor who lived there before. Some if not most never had one. The dirtiest hands in the Vietnam fiasco belong to the French and the United States, and the hands were dirtied long before our serious, direct military involvement in that country. Perhaps but there were certainly plenty of South Vietnamese who did not want to be ruled by the North. They wanted closer ties to the west and less influence by the northern communists. Was it worth 56000 American lives? Probably not but the Vietnamese death toll was going to be a huge number either way. The communists killed more people in Vietnam and Cambodia after we left than died during the whole 10 years of the war. That last sentence is worth repeating, "The communists killed more people in Vietnam and Cambodia after we left than died during the whole 10 years of the war." But that matters naught. To the eyes of FOAD, the Communists are the good guys and the Americans are the bad. Always. That's just another of your really dumbed-down opinions, as is the opinion that the Commies would have engaged in the slaughter they did if the Americans had not invaded. |
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
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Well, no wonder the Righties like Putin's toughness and decisiveness.
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:02:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/11/14, 12:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:54:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: That's just another of your really dumbed-down opinions, as is the opinion that the Commies would have engaged in the slaughter they did if the Americans had not invaded. There are plenty of examples of genocide and wide spread massacre in places where we have never intervened. And plenty where we did intervene, even right here in the good old US of A. Does it make you feel torn up inside to be living and prospering in a country you despise so much? I think if I were in your shoes I'd rebel - like not pay my federal taxes or something. |
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