On 2/25/14, 11:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:45:27 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 10:36 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:08:48 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 9:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:53:17 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 7:24 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:18:33 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:


Neither Jesus nor Moses had anything to do with the writing of the new

testament. What's "in" the new testament was decided upon by committee

hundreds of years after Jesus died.

Eh, That's ok Harry. You wouldn't understand it anyhow. Why? Because you don't want to understand it anyhow.



If you are referring to the history of the new testament, I do
understand how it came about and how various elements were assembled by,
of all things, a committee commissioned by the government. My statement
stands...neither Moses nor Jesus had a thing to do with the writing of
the new testament.

Just as Stonewall Jackson had nothing to do with the writing of the history of the Civil War.



Ahh, but Stonewall Jackson was a real historical figure whose exploits
were described pretty much accurately contemporaneously to his life,
and, though he was a brilliant military leader, what he did did not
involve superstition, extra-natural events, speaking with spirits, and
all the other really weird stuff connected with religion. You know...10
plagues, parting the waters of the Red Sea, burning bushes, tablets
chiseled by the hand of god, bringing the dead back to life, walking on
water.

And of course there were plenty of highly educated people who got to
witness and write first-hand accounts of Jackson's deeds. While there is
plenty of folklore connected with Jackson, there is plenty of accurate
description, too, and there is no doubt he was a real person.

Moses and Jesus? I suppose one can take all of that on faith. There's
nothing else though which to prove any of their "big stuff."

Well, at least you're back off the 'Jesus didn't write the New Testament' bull****. I can better
understand your complaints made last week about gas mileage. You're constantly changing directions
and shifting lanes. It's no damn wonder you get ****ty gas mileage. I suppose it's the liberal artsy
education.



And once again you are demonstrating your inability to read for
comprehension. Why would I complain about the gas mileage on a loaner
car that I was only to be driving a couple of days. I did report on the
MPG's I was getting.

Oh, and Jesus didn't write the new testament or in fact anything else,
eh. Amazing that someone who allegedly was the son of the creator didn't
live one tangible thing behind, not even a scroll.

Once again you miss the entire point.

Jesus most likely didn't have the liberal artsy education you had. Being the son of poor folks, he
probably didn't get into Yale.


And once again you reveal your lack of liberal arts knowledge. Yes,
knowledge of religion falls under the liberal arts.

1. If Jesus were indeed the son of god, why would he need to receive a
formal education to know how to read and write? Would god create an
illiterate son?

2. Here's an easier one just for you. Jesus supposedly was an itinerant
teacher of the Torah and if he were, he was taught his knowledge of
Torah, the total knowledge base of things Jewish up until his time. This
would require the ability to read and write. You can hardly be a teacher
of the Torah without that ability. So, if Jesus was a teacher of the
Torah, what excuse can you offer up for his failing to leave behind even
a scrap of a scroll in his own words and writing?

On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:53:38 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 11:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:45:27 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 10:36 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:08:48 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 9:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:53:17 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/25/14, 7:24 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:18:33 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:


Neither Jesus nor Moses had anything to do with the writing of the new

testament. What's "in" the new testament was decided upon by committee

hundreds of years after Jesus died.

Eh, That's ok Harry. You wouldn't understand it anyhow. Why? Because you don't want to understand it anyhow.



If you are referring to the history of the new testament, I do
understand how it came about and how various elements were assembled by,
of all things, a committee commissioned by the government. My statement
stands...neither Moses nor Jesus had a thing to do with the writing of
the new testament.

Just as Stonewall Jackson had nothing to do with the writing of the history of the Civil War.



Ahh, but Stonewall Jackson was a real historical figure whose exploits
were described pretty much accurately contemporaneously to his life,
and, though he was a brilliant military leader, what he did did not
involve superstition, extra-natural events, speaking with spirits, and
all the other really weird stuff connected with religion. You know...10
plagues, parting the waters of the Red Sea, burning bushes, tablets
chiseled by the hand of god, bringing the dead back to life, walking on
water.

And of course there were plenty of highly educated people who got to
witness and write first-hand accounts of Jackson's deeds. While there is
plenty of folklore connected with Jackson, there is plenty of accurate
description, too, and there is no doubt he was a real person.

Moses and Jesus? I suppose one can take all of that on faith. There's
nothing else though which to prove any of their "big stuff."

Well, at least you're back off the 'Jesus didn't write the New Testament' bull****. I can better
understand your complaints made last week about gas mileage. You're constantly changing directions
and shifting lanes. It's no damn wonder you get ****ty gas mileage. I suppose it's the liberal artsy
education.



And once again you are demonstrating your inability to read for
comprehension. Why would I complain about the gas mileage on a loaner
car that I was only to be driving a couple of days. I did report on the
MPG's I was getting.

Oh, and Jesus didn't write the new testament or in fact anything else,
eh. Amazing that someone who allegedly was the son of the creator didn't
live one tangible thing behind, not even a scroll.

Once again you miss the entire point.

Jesus most likely didn't have the liberal artsy education you had. Being the son of poor folks, he
probably didn't get into Yale.


And once again you reveal your lack of liberal arts knowledge. Yes,
knowledge of religion falls under the liberal arts.

1. If Jesus were indeed the son of god, why would he need to receive a
formal education to know how to read and write? Would god create an
illiterate son?

Your parents did.

2. Here's an easier one just for you. Jesus supposedly was an itinerant
teacher of the Torah and if he were, he was taught his knowledge of
Torah, the total knowledge base of things Jewish up until his time. This
would require the ability to read and write. You can hardly be a teacher
of the Torah without that ability. So, if Jesus was a teacher of the
Torah, what excuse can you offer up for his failing to leave behind even
a scrap of a scroll in his own words and writing?

'Just for me'? Are you writing 'just for me', or with the hopes that others will read your comments
and think, "Oh what a witty person that FOAD is!"

And my goodness, do you really believe that the ability to teach is dependent upon an ability to
read and write? That would imply you knew nothing until you learned to read, and you passed on no
knowledge until you learned to write.

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:53:38 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:


And once again you reveal your lack of liberal arts knowledge. Yes,

knowledge of religion falls under the liberal arts.



1. If Jesus were indeed the son of god, why would he need to receive a

formal education to know how to read and write? Would god create an

illiterate son?



2. Here's an easier one just for you. Jesus supposedly was an itinerant

teacher of the Torah and if he were, he was taught his knowledge of

Torah, the total knowledge base of things Jewish up until his time. This

would require the ability to read and write. You can hardly be a teacher

of the Torah without that ability.

Read??

"14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." (Luke 4)

Write?

"2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. " (John 8)


So, if Jesus was a teacher of the

Torah, what excuse can you offer up for his failing to leave behind even

a scrap of a scroll in his own words and writing?

Who said He had or needed too?

On 2/25/14, 6:09 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:53:38 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:



So, if Jesus was a teacher of the

Torah, what excuse can you offer up for his failing to leave behind even

a scrap of a scroll in his own words and writing?

Who said He had or needed too?



I agree there is testimony that Jesus knew full well how to read and
write. Taking that literacy into account, I find it more than just a
little curious that he left nothing behind in writing.

Jesus, of course, was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, and died as a Jew.
There's nothing substantive in writing to indicate he wanted another
religion to take the place of Judaism. In fact, wasn't Jesus opposed to
proselytizing to pagans?

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:17:24 PM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/25/14, 6:09 PM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:53:38 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:







So, if Jesus was a teacher of the



Torah, what excuse can you offer up for his failing to leave behind even



a scrap of a scroll in his own words and writing?



Who said He had or needed too?







I agree there is testimony that Jesus knew full well how to read and

write. Taking that literacy into account, I find it more than just a

little curious that he left nothing behind in writing.

Harry,then why did you just questioned his literacy a ile ago



Jesus, of course, was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, and died as a Jew.

There's nothing substantive in writing to indicate he wanted another

religion to take the place of Judaism.

"...For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins..." Mat. 26:28



In fact, wasn't Jesus opposed to proselytizing to pagans?

No.

"Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:" (Mat. 28:19

On 2/25/14, 12:43 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:53:38 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


2. Here's an easier one just for you. Jesus supposedly was an itinerant
teacher of the Torah and if he were, he was taught his knowledge of
Torah, the total knowledge base of things Jewish up until his time. This
would require the ability to read and write. You can hardly be a teacher
of the Torah without that ability. So, if Jesus was a teacher of the
Torah, what excuse can you offer up for his failing to leave behind even
a scrap of a scroll in his own words and writing?

I hesitate to step into this **** storm but I bet most of the people
who taught the Torah ever saw a hard copy of it or could have read it
if they did. This was more of a spoken tradition than a script that
they read.

That also explains a lot of the weird **** they came up with and why
there are so many versions of the bible.

When you have sheep herders sharing yarns around the camp fire,
stories change a little from time to time.



The "oral tradition" of learning and teaching from the Torah died out
several hundred years before the birth of Jesus because of the
persecution of the Jews, who realized that depending upon oral tradition
would result in the death of what had been passed down.

Jesus preached in what back then was the hotbed area of Jewish study and
education. Long, complicated and beautifully phrased sermons are
attributed to him. I doubt these would have been the product of an
illiterate.

Which gets me back to the original question: why would the alleged son
of god be illiterate?