On 2/18/14, 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/18/2014 4:04 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/18/14, 3:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 12:18:49 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:51:28 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:33:32 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

(CNN) -- A 15-year-old girl in Little Rock, Arkansas, is dead,
police
say, because of a prank that went horribly and tragically wrong.

Adrian Broadway was shot in the head and died early Saturday
morning.

She was with a group of teenagers who had gone to a house to do a
"retaliation" prank on another teen who'd done a prank on them on
Halloween, according to the Little Rock Police Department.

The teenagers told police they had thrown toilet paper, eggs and
mayonnaise on a car parked there.

As they were leaving, a man came out of the house and opened fire.

Broadway was struck in the head and died.

Another teenager, the driver, suffered injuries to his right arm.
He was
transported to a hospital, where he was treated and released.

Police have identified the shooting suspect as 48-year-old Willie
Noble.
He was charged with one count of first-degree murder, one count of a
terroristic act and five counts of aggravated assault, they said.

Bond was set at $1 million.

"I got the news from my mom who said that Adrian had got a gun
wound to
the head, and I just dropped the phone immediately and started
crying,"
Broadway's friend, Laguyia Bland, told CNN affiliate KARK.

"They was trying to be teenagers," Bland said. "As you know
teenagers
make mistakes, and this was one of those mistakes."

- - -

Thank goodness they all didn't teepee the trees of some insane gun
owner.

They are over charging again. This may be second degree murder but
going for murder one is simply grand standing and they have a real
chance of being "Corey'ed" by the jury.

If you are going to charge 1st degree murder for "heat of the moment"
killings, what do you use for Mafia hit men, serial killers and Dick
Cheney? (the last one was just a bone for you Harry)

;-)


I thought I heard the charge in the Arkansas case was felony murder,
and
he was charged with several of the crimes that add up to felony
murder,
which include killing someone while committing an act of terrorism and
aggravated assault.

But, hey, it's Arkansas. Who really knows?

Isn't that where Bill and Hillary come from?

That is Hill/Billy's home.



Actually, no. Bill is a native Arkansan, but he doesn't live there, so
it isn't his home. It is, however, his home state. Hillary, I believe,
was born in Illinois, and lived in Arkansas with Bill for a number of
years, but Illinois is where she comes from. Now, their home is in New
York.

On the other hand, it's been a decades-long embarrassment for me that
George W. Bush, one of the worst presidents of the United States, is
from Connecticut, and more specifically, my home town of New Haven and,
even worse, from the same hospital where I was born.



Glad to see you are adjusting your grading of the presidents. Not long
ago GWB was the worse president in your view. Now he's one of the
worst. :-)




Yeah, he's down there in the dumpster with Herbert Hoover, Andrew
Johnson the racist and Andrew Jackson the Indian slaughterer. Hoover
reminds me of that great Kevin Bacon scene in Animal House:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

"All is well."

On 2/18/14, 9:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:44:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I think that all the media attention given to firearms in the past few
years (including the Zimmerman trial) has served to embolden some
irresponsible gun nuts who really shouldn't own one. The vast majority
of gun owners would never respond to a teenage prank by shooting at them.



Precisely. The SYG bull**** laws have convinced feeble-minded gun owners
that they can act out their aggressions and shoot people for any reason
they can conjure and then claim they felt threatened.

As I pointed out to you offline. SYG is just an invention of the media
and it does really not exist in the Florida law.
If Zimmerman and Dunn have not made this apparent to anyone,, they are
too stupid to have a gun.
Unfortunately it is still being promoted by the media for their own
reasons.




I think the discussions of what may have happened in the jury
deliberations negate your posit. When the jury members start talking,
we'll know.

On 2/19/14, 12:16 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:18:34 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 9:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:44:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I think that all the media attention given to firearms in the past few
years (including the Zimmerman trial) has served to embolden some
irresponsible gun nuts who really shouldn't own one. The vast majority
of gun owners would never respond to a teenage prank by shooting at them.



Precisely. The SYG bull**** laws have convinced feeble-minded gun owners
that they can act out their aggressions and shoot people for any reason
they can conjure and then claim they felt threatened.

As I pointed out to you offline. SYG is just an invention of the media
and it does really not exist in the Florida law.
If Zimmerman and Dunn have not made this apparent to anyone,, they are
too stupid to have a gun.
Unfortunately it is still being promoted by the media for their own
reasons.




I think the discussions of what may have happened in the jury
deliberations negate your posit. When the jury members start talking,
we'll know.

If you look at the verdicts it appears that they had juror(s) with
reasonable doubt on self defense for the first shot or two but
continuing to shoot at a fleeing vehicle was a crime.
I agree if that was the case.

I do not think "retreat" was really an option since his girlfriend was
still going to be there if he left. My wife surely would not be happy
if I drove off and left her at a gas station because I was in fear of
bodily harm.


There's not an iota of evidence Dunn was in fear of bodily harm, and his
communications from jail indicate he was a mean-spirited racist.

Whatever music the kids were listening to was no threat to his life.

Dunn got away with murder. Another white man who shot and killed a black
kid for no reason, and the crime was nullified by whites on a jury in
Florida. What a surprise.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:29:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 12:16 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:18:34 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 9:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:44:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I think that all the media attention given to firearms in the past few
years (including the Zimmerman trial) has served to embolden some
irresponsible gun nuts who really shouldn't own one. The vast majority
of gun owners would never respond to a teenage prank by shooting at them.



Precisely. The SYG bull**** laws have convinced feeble-minded gun owners
that they can act out their aggressions and shoot people for any reason
they can conjure and then claim they felt threatened.

As I pointed out to you offline. SYG is just an invention of the media
and it does really not exist in the Florida law.
If Zimmerman and Dunn have not made this apparent to anyone,, they are
too stupid to have a gun.
Unfortunately it is still being promoted by the media for their own
reasons.




I think the discussions of what may have happened in the jury
deliberations negate your posit. When the jury members start talking,
we'll know.

If you look at the verdicts it appears that they had juror(s) with
reasonable doubt on self defense for the first shot or two but
continuing to shoot at a fleeing vehicle was a crime.
I agree if that was the case.

I do not think "retreat" was really an option since his girlfriend was
still going to be there if he left. My wife surely would not be happy
if I drove off and left her at a gas station because I was in fear of
bodily harm.


There's not an iota of evidence Dunn was in fear of bodily harm, and his
communications from jail indicate he was a mean-spirited racist.

Whatever music the kids were listening to was no threat to his life.

Dunn got away with murder. Another white man who shot and killed a black
kid for no reason, and the crime was nullified by whites on a jury in
Florida. What a surprise.

Please define 'iota'. Did Dunn not say he was within seconds of being murdered by someone with a
shotgun? From the jury's perspective, is that not evidence - or at least an 'iota' thereof?

"He was lying," you say. How was the jury to know what *you* know to be the truth?

If someone says he shot a picture of two owls down by the creek, what reason is there not to believe
that statement? It's true until evidence proves otherwise.

Perhaps Dunn did get away with murder. But you don't know that.

On 2/19/14, 8:02 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:29:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 12:16 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:18:34 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 9:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:44:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I think that all the media attention given to firearms in the past few
years (including the Zimmerman trial) has served to embolden some
irresponsible gun nuts who really shouldn't own one. The vast majority
of gun owners would never respond to a teenage prank by shooting at them.



Precisely. The SYG bull**** laws have convinced feeble-minded gun owners
that they can act out their aggressions and shoot people for any reason
they can conjure and then claim they felt threatened.

As I pointed out to you offline. SYG is just an invention of the media
and it does really not exist in the Florida law.
If Zimmerman and Dunn have not made this apparent to anyone,, they are
too stupid to have a gun.
Unfortunately it is still being promoted by the media for their own
reasons.




I think the discussions of what may have happened in the jury
deliberations negate your posit. When the jury members start talking,
we'll know.

If you look at the verdicts it appears that they had juror(s) with
reasonable doubt on self defense for the first shot or two but
continuing to shoot at a fleeing vehicle was a crime.
I agree if that was the case.

I do not think "retreat" was really an option since his girlfriend was
still going to be there if he left. My wife surely would not be happy
if I drove off and left her at a gas station because I was in fear of
bodily harm.


There's not an iota of evidence Dunn was in fear of bodily harm, and his
communications from jail indicate he was a mean-spirited racist.

Whatever music the kids were listening to was no threat to his life.

Dunn got away with murder. Another white man who shot and killed a black
kid for no reason, and the crime was nullified by whites on a jury in
Florida. What a surprise.

Please define 'iota'. Did Dunn not say he was within seconds of being murdered by someone with a
shotgun? From the jury's perspective, is that not evidence - or at least an 'iota' thereof?

"He was lying," you say. How was the jury to know what *you* know to be the truth?

If someone says he shot a picture of two owls down by the creek, what reason is there not to believe
that statement? It's true until evidence proves otherwise.

Perhaps Dunn did get away with murder. But you don't know that.



I'm not at all interested in racist rationalizations from white guys who
if they served on a jury would never find another white guy guilty of
killing a black teenager.

Dunn murdered the kid and so far, has gotten away with it. I hope he is
tried again, and charged with 2nd degree murder and convicted.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:20:16 AM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:


I'm not at all interested in racist rationalizations from white guys who
if they served on a jury would never find another white guy guilty of
killing a black teenager.


We're not at all interested in racist rationalizations from a white guy who,
if he served on a jury, would find another white guy guilty of killing a black teenager even if the evidence showed otherwise.

Perhaps you're into persecuting others to attempt to atone for your own sins. Were some of your creditors African-American?

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:20:16 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 8:02 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:29:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 12:16 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:18:34 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 9:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:44:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/18/14, 4:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I think that all the media attention given to firearms in the past few
years (including the Zimmerman trial) has served to embolden some
irresponsible gun nuts who really shouldn't own one. The vast majority
of gun owners would never respond to a teenage prank by shooting at them.



Precisely. The SYG bull**** laws have convinced feeble-minded gun owners
that they can act out their aggressions and shoot people for any reason
they can conjure and then claim they felt threatened.

As I pointed out to you offline. SYG is just an invention of the media
and it does really not exist in the Florida law.
If Zimmerman and Dunn have not made this apparent to anyone,, they are
too stupid to have a gun.
Unfortunately it is still being promoted by the media for their own
reasons.




I think the discussions of what may have happened in the jury
deliberations negate your posit. When the jury members start talking,
we'll know.

If you look at the verdicts it appears that they had juror(s) with
reasonable doubt on self defense for the first shot or two but
continuing to shoot at a fleeing vehicle was a crime.
I agree if that was the case.

I do not think "retreat" was really an option since his girlfriend was
still going to be there if he left. My wife surely would not be happy
if I drove off and left her at a gas station because I was in fear of
bodily harm.


There's not an iota of evidence Dunn was in fear of bodily harm, and his
communications from jail indicate he was a mean-spirited racist.

Whatever music the kids were listening to was no threat to his life.

Dunn got away with murder. Another white man who shot and killed a black
kid for no reason, and the crime was nullified by whites on a jury in
Florida. What a surprise.

Please define 'iota'. Did Dunn not say he was within seconds of being murdered by someone with a
shotgun? From the jury's perspective, is that not evidence - or at least an 'iota' thereof?

"He was lying," you say. How was the jury to know what *you* know to be the truth?

If someone says he shot a picture of two owls down by the creek, what reason is there not to believe
that statement? It's true until evidence proves otherwise.

Perhaps Dunn did get away with murder. But you don't know that.



I'm not at all interested in racist rationalizations from white guys who
if they served on a jury would never find another white guy guilty of
killing a black teenager.

From where comes that? We're talking about evidence.


Dunn murdered the kid and so far, has gotten away with it. I hope he is
tried again, and charged with 2nd degree murder and convicted.

Like I say, the jury had evidence. You have none.

If he's tried again, found guilty of 2d degree murder, and convicted, then he'll deserve whatever
additional punishment is thrown his way.

Until then, keep the owl story in mind.

On 2/19/14, 10:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

Until then, keep the owl story in mind.


John, you're not an officer in the army anymore, and no one has to pay
the slightest attention to your orders or directives. Actually, I'm
amazed you weren't fragged.

On 2/19/2014 5:02 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:29:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Whatever music the kids were listening to was no threat to his life.

Dunn got away with murder. Another white man who shot and killed a black
kid for no reason, and the crime was nullified by whites on a jury in
Florida. What a surprise.

Please define 'iota'. Did Dunn not say he was within seconds of being murdered by someone with a
shotgun? From the jury's perspective, is that not evidence - or at least an 'iota' thereof?

Do you not see any problem with a legal precedent that justifies and
excuses deadly violence simply by claiming an imagined fear?

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:25:16 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 2/19/2014 5:02 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:29:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Whatever music the kids were listening to was no threat to his life.

Dunn got away with murder. Another white man who shot and killed a black
kid for no reason, and the crime was nullified by whites on a jury in
Florida. What a surprise.

Please define 'iota'. Did Dunn not say he was within seconds of being murdered by someone with a
shotgun? From the jury's perspective, is that not evidence - or at least an 'iota' thereof?

Do you not see any problem with a legal precedent that justifies and
excuses deadly violence simply by claiming an imagined fear?


To you and Harry, the fear was 'imagined'. To Dunn, it may have been very real. That's a decision
for the jury.