Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/22/14, 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2014 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:20:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2014 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:02:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


When you actually look at the FBI standards you start seeing the
deficiencies in different rounds. They look at penetration and energ
y
transfer after going through the various things you may have to shoot
through. Most relevant for folks up north is the effect of different
kinds of coats. If they plug up the hollow point, you end up with a
FMJ.

The issue with stopping power is not whether the person eventually
dies from their wound. It is whether they kill you before they die.
A .22 is one of the most deadly rounds in raw numbers but a surprising
number of these people do not even realize they were shot for a while.


Shoot 'em in the head and they'll know it for a nanosecond. The .22 is
potent in the head because it will enter the skull but not necessarily
exit. Bounces around for a bit destroying lots of grey matter.


That is largely a myth. There are lots of places you can hit in the
head that will not stop a motivated attacker.
People walk around with all sorts of things penetrating their brain.

Without a significant amount of hydraulic shock, it may give them
several seconds to get off a shot at you.

If you just hit the soft tissue below the eye line, (half the head)
there is very little actual stopping power.


I think you missed the point. What I've read (and have seen video tests
of on fake head targets) is that a .22 has enough oomph to break
through the skull but not enough to continue out the other side.
Instead, it ricochets off the inside and bounces around a bit,
destroying or damaging more brain tissue than if it went straight
through and out the other side.



Wow. There are a couple of posters here whose heads are so empty the
bullet would ricochet off the inside of their skulls for hours, I bet. :)

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Can you imagine it bouncing around the empty head of Dickson?
The only obstruction would be the Brillo roots protruding through the inside slowing the bullet on occasion.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?
Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.
I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything. Maybe he's buying one of each.

Does Taurus still make them?

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

True North wrote:
Can you imagine it bouncing around the empty head of Dickson?
The only obstruction would be the Brillo roots protruding through the inside slowing the bullet on occasion.
Six minutes for that lame response? Take seven minutes next time and
quote the OP, dummy.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:43:04 -0500, "Earl! " . wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?
Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.
I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything. Maybe he's buying one of each.

Does Taurus still make them?

Yeah, Taurus makes the Model 905, a small frame 9mm.

S&W still shows them on their site, but yesterday at a gun shop the guy said they didn't make very
many of them. I like them better than the Taurus, but don't have a reason to get one.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 00:50:11 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:37:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2014 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:20:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2014 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:02:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


When you actually look at the FBI standards you start seeing the
deficiencies in different rounds. They look at penetration and energ
y
transfer after going through the various things you may have to shoot
through. Most relevant for folks up north is the effect of different
kinds of coats. If they plug up the hollow point, you end up with a
FMJ.

The issue with stopping power is not whether the person eventually
dies from their wound. It is whether they kill you before they die.
A .22 is one of the most deadly rounds in raw numbers but a surprising
number of these people do not even realize they were shot for a while.


Shoot 'em in the head and they'll know it for a nanosecond. The .22 is
potent in the head because it will enter the skull but not necessarily
exit. Bounces around for a bit destroying lots of grey matter.


That is largely a myth. There are lots of places you can hit in the
head that will not stop a motivated attacker.
People walk around with all sorts of things penetrating their brain.

Without a significant amount of hydraulic shock, it may give them
several seconds to get off a shot at you.

If you just hit the soft tissue below the eye line, (half the head)
there is very little actual stopping power.


I think you missed the point. What I've read (and have seen video tests
of on fake head targets) is that a .22 has enough oomph to break
through the skull but not enough to continue out the other side.
Instead, it ricochets off the inside and bounces around a bit,
destroying or damaging more brain tissue than if it went straight
through and out the other side.


I understand the premise, I only question if it is actually true. If
you really had this demonstrated in ballistic gel, the FBI would be
carrying .22s and not their Glock 40.

Oh come on now. Even the FBI can't expect to get a brain shot every time!

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/23/2014 8:49 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:43:04 -0500, "Earl! " . wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?
Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.
I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything. Maybe he's buying one of each.

Does Taurus still make them?

Yeah, Taurus makes the Model 905, a small frame 9mm.

S&W still shows them on their site, but yesterday at a gun shop the guy said they didn't make very
many of them. I like them better than the Taurus, but don't have a reason to get one.

SW has a 357/9 convertible but it's SAO. SAO is not my cup of tea.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/23/2014 9:24 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/23/2014 8:49 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:43:04 -0500, "Earl! " . wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?
Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.
I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything.
Maybe he's buying one of each.

Does Taurus still make them?

Yeah, Taurus makes the Model 905, a small frame 9mm.

S&W still shows them on their site, but yesterday at a gun shop the
guy said they didn't make very
many of them. I like them better than the Taurus, but don't have a
reason to get one.

SW has a 357/9 convertible but it's SAO. SAO is not my cup of tea.
Make that Ruger instead of SW.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 09:24:02 -0500, HanK wrote:

On 2/23/2014 8:49 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:43:04 -0500, "Earl! " . wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?
Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.
I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything. Maybe he's buying one of each.

Does Taurus still make them?

Yeah, Taurus makes the Model 905, a small frame 9mm.

S&W still shows them on their site, but yesterday at a gun shop the guy said they didn't make very
many of them. I like them better than the Taurus, but don't have a reason to get one.

SW has a 357/9 convertible but it's SAO. SAO is not my cup of tea.

Ditto.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 10:47:52 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 08:49:22 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:43:04 -0500, "Earl! " . wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?
Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.
I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything. Maybe he's buying one of each.

Does Taurus still make them?

Yeah, Taurus makes the Model 905, a small frame 9mm.

S&W still shows them on their site, but yesterday at a gun shop the guy said they didn't make very
many of them. I like them better than the Taurus, but don't have a reason to get one.

I am not quite sure why you would want the relatively simply 9mm in a
revolver.(but I am not a "small frame .38" fan either)
Certainly they have some high performance 9mm rounds at a buck a shot
or more but the same companies load a lot more capable 357 for the
same price.
I suppose a 9mm cylinder for a .38 revolver might be an interesting
thing tho. If you are just out for relatively cheep shooting the .0002
smaller bullet in a .38 bore would be insignificant.

I don't really want one. 9mm ammo is relatively easy to come by, and is cheaper than .38 for target
practice, which is what Hank was talking about. I think. That's what made me look into the 9mm
revolver. If I were to get another revolver, it'd be either a big .45 or a .22.