Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/22/2014 7:24 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?

Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.

I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything. Maybe he's buying one of each.

I'm not positioned to buy any handguns at the moment, if you catch my
drift. My bandwidth is limited, so I don't do much googleing for
handguns right now.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/22/2014 9:45 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/22/2014 7:24 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?

Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.

I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything. Maybe
he's buying one of each.

I'm not positioned to buy any handguns at the moment, if you catch my
drift. My bandwidth is limited, so I don't do much googleing for
handguns right now.


I just sold the S&W 627 Performance Center this morning. Put it on
"Armslist" last night and had seven buyers within 5 hours. Turns out the
first guy that responded lives about 4 miles from my house.

Getting rid of the ones I really don't need or shoot much.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/22/14, 10:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2014 9:45 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/22/2014 7:24 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?

Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.

I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything. Maybe
he's buying one of each.

I'm not positioned to buy any handguns at the moment, if you catch my
drift. My bandwidth is limited, so I don't do much googleing for
handguns right now.


I just sold the S&W 627 Performance Center this morning. Put it on
"Armslist" last night and had seven buyers within 5 hours. Turns out the
first guy that responded lives about 4 miles from my house.

Getting rid of the ones I really don't need or shoot much.




I've been thinking of getting a revolver for which ammo is plentiful and
not horrifically expensive. When I checked around yesterday, there
seemed to be good supplies of .357 mag/.38 special available, though the
prices were still too high.

I've shot a S&W 628 in various varieties a few times. It's a truly
wonderful revolver in terms of action and accuracy. For close range
target shooting, a 4" barrel would be fine, I would think, although
there are 5" and 6" barrel varieties out there, too. The 7 shot models
seem a bit odd to me for a "six shooter."

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/22/2014 11:12 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/22/14, 10:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2014 9:45 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/22/2014 7:24 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:18:22 -0500, Earl__ wrote:

HanK wrote:
On 2/18/2014 11:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:03:01 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Johnny, a person can hardly get a word in edgewise due to all your
agitating posts.
What new hobby or fixation will you adopt this week?

Why the 'snarkiness' Don? Are you really having a problem making a
post? Try making a sociable post.
You'll probably get sociable responses.

As to a new hobby - probably none, but the week is young. How about
you? Do you have any hobbies
other than boating? Boating can get boring this time of year. Do you
do any ice-fishing? You've
discussed photography several times here, how's that going? Any
pictures to share?

I'll have to take a picture of the new ornament on the front of the
Silverado. You'll love it.
Probably want to get something similar for your Toyota.

John, I think I'm going to take up target shooting. A fella let me
shoot his Smith and Wesson 686P six inch 7 shot yesterday. At 7 yards
I got a pattern of about 2 inches pretty close to the center of the
target. Do you know anything about this gun. I want one.
It's a well-made revolver. Get one and others will follow if you
continue to go to the range.

I mentioned the 9mm revolvers to him, but never heard anything. Maybe
he's buying one of each.

I'm not positioned to buy any handguns at the moment, if you catch my
drift. My bandwidth is limited, so I don't do much googleing for
handguns right now.


I just sold the S&W 627 Performance Center this morning. Put it on
"Armslist" last night and had seven buyers within 5 hours. Turns out the
first guy that responded lives about 4 miles from my house.

Getting rid of the ones I really don't need or shoot much.




I've been thinking of getting a revolver for which ammo is plentiful and
not horrifically expensive. When I checked around yesterday, there
seemed to be good supplies of .357 mag/.38 special available, though the
prices were still too high.

I've shot a S&W 628 in various varieties a few times. It's a truly
wonderful revolver in terms of action and accuracy. For close range
target shooting, a 4" barrel would be fine, I would think, although
there are 5" and 6" barrel varieties out there, too. The 7 shot models
seem a bit odd to me for a "six shooter."



I really liked the 627. It has a 5" barrel and the cylinder held 8
rounds. Accurate as hell for a decent shooter. I just didn't use it
much and I don't need an arsenal of handguns.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/22/2014 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:12:25 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


I've been thinking of getting a revolver for which ammo is plentiful and
not horrifically expensive. When I checked around yesterday, there
seemed to be good supplies of .357 mag/.38 special available, though the
prices were still too high.

I've shot a S&W 628 in various varieties a few times. It's a truly
wonderful revolver in terms of action and accuracy. For close range
target shooting, a 4" barrel would be fine, I would think, although
there are 5" and 6" barrel varieties out there, too. The 7 shot models
seem a bit odd to me for a "six shooter."


.38 is pretty cheap to shoot if you reload. The trick is finding a
source of cheap cast bullets.
If you have more time than money you could cast your own.
Primers are a couple cents each and a can of Bullseye would last most
shooters a year or more shooting a box or more a week. (~3000
wadcutters)

If you have a .357 you can still get a very capable defense round from
commercial sources and load some devastating stuff.


I get a kick out of all the "stopping power" claims made for various
types of handguns and ammo.

I suspect that in close-range, home defense situations my little S&W
..38P "Chief's Special" would be as effective at stopping an intruder as
a .357 Magnum or .45. I mean, how dead do you have to shoot someone?

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/22/2014 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:02:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2014 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:12:25 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


I've been thinking of getting a revolver for which ammo is plentiful and
not horrifically expensive. When I checked around yesterday, there
seemed to be good supplies of .357 mag/.38 special available, though the
prices were still too high.

I've shot a S&W 628 in various varieties a few times. It's a truly
wonderful revolver in terms of action and accuracy. For close range
target shooting, a 4" barrel would be fine, I would think, although
there are 5" and 6" barrel varieties out there, too. The 7 shot models
seem a bit odd to me for a "six shooter."


.38 is pretty cheap to shoot if you reload. The trick is finding a
source of cheap cast bullets.
If you have more time than money you could cast your own.
Primers are a couple cents each and a can of Bullseye would last most
shooters a year or more shooting a box or more a week. (~3000
wadcutters)

If you have a .357 you can still get a very capable defense round from
commercial sources and load some devastating stuff.


I get a kick out of all the "stopping power" claims made for various
types of handguns and ammo.

I suspect that in close-range, home defense situations my little S&W
.38P "Chief's Special" would be as effective at stopping an intruder as
a .357 Magnum or .45. I mean, how dead do you have to shoot someone?



When you actually look at the FBI standards you start seeing the
deficiencies in different rounds. They look at penetration and energy
transfer after going through the various things you may have to shoot
through. Most relevant for folks up north is the effect of different
kinds of coats. If they plug up the hollow point, you end up with a
FMJ.

The issue with stopping power is not whether the person eventually
dies from their wound. It is whether they kill you before they die.
A .22 is one of the most deadly rounds in raw numbers but a surprising
number of these people do not even realize they were shot for a while.


Shoot 'em in the head and they'll know it for a nanosecond. The .22 is
potent in the head because it will enter the skull but not necessarily
exit. Bounces around for a bit destroying lots of grey matter.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:02:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/22/2014 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:12:25 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


I've been thinking of getting a revolver for which ammo is plentiful and
not horrifically expensive. When I checked around yesterday, there
seemed to be good supplies of .357 mag/.38 special available, though the
prices were still too high.

I've shot a S&W 628 in various varieties a few times. It's a truly
wonderful revolver in terms of action and accuracy. For close range
target shooting, a 4" barrel would be fine, I would think, although
there are 5" and 6" barrel varieties out there, too. The 7 shot models
seem a bit odd to me for a "six shooter."


.38 is pretty cheap to shoot if you reload. The trick is finding a
source of cheap cast bullets.
If you have more time than money you could cast your own.
Primers are a couple cents each and a can of Bullseye would last most
shooters a year or more shooting a box or more a week. (~3000
wadcutters)

If you have a .357 you can still get a very capable defense round from
commercial sources and load some devastating stuff.


I get a kick out of all the "stopping power" claims made for various
types of handguns and ammo.

I suspect that in close-range, home defense situations my little S&W
.38P "Chief's Special" would be as effective at stopping an intruder as
a .357 Magnum or .45. I mean, how dead do you have to shoot someone?


Especially if you put a hollow point in it. My wife loves shooting the Chief's Special, 36-1. Ours
has the 3" barrel, so it's not too hard to hit a target with it.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:20:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/22/2014 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:02:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2014 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:12:25 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


I've been thinking of getting a revolver for which ammo is plentiful and
not horrifically expensive. When I checked around yesterday, there
seemed to be good supplies of .357 mag/.38 special available, though the
prices were still too high.

I've shot a S&W 628 in various varieties a few times. It's a truly
wonderful revolver in terms of action and accuracy. For close range
target shooting, a 4" barrel would be fine, I would think, although
there are 5" and 6" barrel varieties out there, too. The 7 shot models
seem a bit odd to me for a "six shooter."


.38 is pretty cheap to shoot if you reload. The trick is finding a
source of cheap cast bullets.
If you have more time than money you could cast your own.
Primers are a couple cents each and a can of Bullseye would last most
shooters a year or more shooting a box or more a week. (~3000
wadcutters)

If you have a .357 you can still get a very capable defense round from
commercial sources and load some devastating stuff.


I get a kick out of all the "stopping power" claims made for various
types of handguns and ammo.

I suspect that in close-range, home defense situations my little S&W
.38P "Chief's Special" would be as effective at stopping an intruder as
a .357 Magnum or .45. I mean, how dead do you have to shoot someone?



When you actually look at the FBI standards you start seeing the
deficiencies in different rounds. They look at penetration and energy
transfer after going through the various things you may have to shoot
through. Most relevant for folks up north is the effect of different
kinds of coats. If they plug up the hollow point, you end up with a
FMJ.

The issue with stopping power is not whether the person eventually
dies from their wound. It is whether they kill you before they die.
A .22 is one of the most deadly rounds in raw numbers but a surprising
number of these people do not even realize they were shot for a while.


Shoot 'em in the head and they'll know it for a nanosecond. The .22 is
potent in the head because it will enter the skull but not necessarily
exit. Bounces around for a bit destroying lots of grey matter.


Ah, that's a big assumption.

In some heads there's not a lot of gray matter floating around.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/22/2014 1:49 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:02:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/22/2014 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:12:25 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


I've been thinking of getting a revolver for which ammo is plentiful and
not horrifically expensive. When I checked around yesterday, there
seemed to be good supplies of .357 mag/.38 special available, though the
prices were still too high.

I've shot a S&W 628 in various varieties a few times. It's a truly
wonderful revolver in terms of action and accuracy. For close range
target shooting, a 4" barrel would be fine, I would think, although
there are 5" and 6" barrel varieties out there, too. The 7 shot models
seem a bit odd to me for a "six shooter."


.38 is pretty cheap to shoot if you reload. The trick is finding a
source of cheap cast bullets.
If you have more time than money you could cast your own.
Primers are a couple cents each and a can of Bullseye would last most
shooters a year or more shooting a box or more a week. (~3000
wadcutters)

If you have a .357 you can still get a very capable defense round from
commercial sources and load some devastating stuff.


I get a kick out of all the "stopping power" claims made for various
types of handguns and ammo.

I suspect that in close-range, home defense situations my little S&W
.38P "Chief's Special" would be as effective at stopping an intruder as
a .357 Magnum or .45. I mean, how dead do you have to shoot someone?


Especially if you put a hollow point in it. My wife loves shooting the Chief's Special, 36-1. Ours
has the 3" barrel, so it's not too hard to hit a target with it.


Yeah, mine has the 3" barrel also. Surprisingly accurate at longer
ranges if you have time to set up and aim. I think there's a reason the
police departments liked them way back when.

Oklahoma Earthquakes...
 

On 2/22/2014 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:20:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2014 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:02:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


When you actually look at the FBI standards you start seeing the
deficiencies in different rounds. They look at penetration and energ
y
transfer after going through the various things you may have to shoot
through. Most relevant for folks up north is the effect of different
kinds of coats. If they plug up the hollow point, you end up with a
FMJ.

The issue with stopping power is not whether the person eventually
dies from their wound. It is whether they kill you before they die.
A .22 is one of the most deadly rounds in raw numbers but a surprising
number of these people do not even realize they were shot for a while.


Shoot 'em in the head and they'll know it for a nanosecond. The .22 is
potent in the head because it will enter the skull but not necessarily
exit. Bounces around for a bit destroying lots of grey matter.


That is largely a myth. There are lots of places you can hit in the
head that will not stop a motivated attacker.
People walk around with all sorts of things penetrating their brain.

Without a significant amount of hydraulic shock, it may give them
several seconds to get off a shot at you.

If you just hit the soft tissue below the eye line, (half the head)
there is very little actual stopping power.


I think you missed the point. What I've read (and have seen video tests
of on fake head targets) is that a .22 has enough oomph to break
through the skull but not enough to continue out the other side.
Instead, it ricochets off the inside and bounces around a bit,
destroying or damaging more brain tissue than if it went straight
through and out the other side.