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1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth
This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... |
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On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) |
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On 2/17/2014 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... No it's not, but if you say it enough you will believe it... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) |
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On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. |
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On 2/17/14, 10:24 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2014 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... No it's not, but if you say it enough you will believe it... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) So, how many formal science and technology courses have you taken? |
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On 2/17/2014 10:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. I must have first gone to college in ancient times. During my first stint after high school, I was in a liberal arts program. I sure don't remember taking any science classes. Math, yes. Science, no. Any type of specialized "technology" course within the liberal arts curriculum had not really been thought of then. It's the primary reason I quit. Things changed in the Navy. Educational programs, both within the Navy and via approved civilian university programs were offered in subjects I was actually interested in. That was the main reason I stayed in the service for 9 years. All types of programs were offered, most free to military members. |
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On 2/17/2014 10:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. The younger of my daughter's two boys (Ben) is 14 years old. He's a smart kid, very interested in science and technology related subjects. During a recent parent/teacher conference his science teacher told my daughter that he's "weird", but didn't mean it in a derogatory sense. The teacher explained that Ben is very quiet, doesn't ask many questions or participate much in classroom discussions but he aces or near aces every test and exam. We were just talking last night about this so I challenged Ben with the same question about riding a bicycle or motorcycle in a straight line at a speed of about 20 mph and applying slight forward pressure on one of the handlebars. That prompted quite a discussion (as it did here) but he got the principle fairly quickly. So, to get him into some classroom discussion in school, I suggested that he ask his science teacher the same question when they go back to school after February vacation. He can't wait. This should be interesting. |
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On 2/17/2014 10:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 10:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. The younger of my daughter's two boys (Ben) is 14 years old. He's a smart kid, very interested in science and technology related subjects. During a recent parent/teacher conference his science teacher told my daughter that he's "weird", but didn't mean it in a derogatory sense. The teacher explained that Ben is very quiet, doesn't ask many questions or participate much in classroom discussions but he aces or near aces every test and exam. We were just talking last night about this so I challenged Ben with the same question about riding a bicycle or motorcycle in a straight line at a speed of about 20 mph and applying slight forward pressure on one of the handlebars. That prompted quite a discussion (as it did here) but he got the principle fairly quickly. So, to get him into some classroom discussion in school, I suggested that he ask his science teacher the same question when they go back to school after February vacation. He can't wait. This should be interesting. Well, the the 20 mph part might make things easier to compare I must admit.. Tell him to also ask his teacher about using weight shift instead of the bars to make the same maneuvers... |
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On 2/17/14, 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 10:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. I must have first gone to college in ancient times. During my first stint after high school, I was in a liberal arts program. I sure don't remember taking any science classes. Math, yes. Science, no. Any type of specialized "technology" course within the liberal arts curriculum had not really been thought of then. It's the primary reason I quit. Things changed in the Navy. Educational programs, both within the Navy and via approved civilian university programs were offered in subjects I was actually interested in. That was the main reason I stayed in the service for 9 years. All types of programs were offered, most free to military members. Science or math classes were required every semester in the B.A. program I followed. Fifteen or sixteen credit hours equaled a full academic load for a semester, and three or four credit hours had to be in math or science, and you had to take a stipulated number of math and science hours/courses for a degree. This was not peculiar to the midwestern university I attended. I was no math whiz, but I did manage to get no lower than a "3" or "B" on required math courses. I did better in the science courses. I remember taking two semesters each of biology and astronomy, a semester of geology, a semester of anthropology, and a semester of physics, and a couple of others I just can't recall. I don't recall any required specialized technology courses, either, if by those you mean trade-related courses. I did take a course in type design and typesetting when I was chasing a redhead who was in the J-school. |
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On 2/17/2014 11:17 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2014 10:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. The younger of my daughter's two boys (Ben) is 14 years old. He's a smart kid, very interested in science and technology related subjects. During a recent parent/teacher conference his science teacher told my daughter that he's "weird", but didn't mean it in a derogatory sense. The teacher explained that Ben is very quiet, doesn't ask many questions or participate much in classroom discussions but he aces or near aces every test and exam. We were just talking last night about this so I challenged Ben with the same question about riding a bicycle or motorcycle in a straight line at a speed of about 20 mph and applying slight forward pressure on one of the handlebars. That prompted quite a discussion (as it did here) but he got the principle fairly quickly. So, to get him into some classroom discussion in school, I suggested that he ask his science teacher the same question when they go back to school after February vacation. He can't wait. This should be interesting. Well, the the 20 mph part might make things easier to compare I must admit.. Tell him to also ask his teacher about using weight shift instead of the bars to make the same maneuvers... Ummm... no. I don't think I will. As before, it has nothing to do with the question. |
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On 2/17/2014 11:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 11:17 AM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. The younger of my daughter's two boys (Ben) is 14 years old. He's a smart kid, very interested in science and technology related subjects. During a recent parent/teacher conference his science teacher told my daughter that he's "weird", but didn't mean it in a derogatory sense. The teacher explained that Ben is very quiet, doesn't ask many questions or participate much in classroom discussions but he aces or near aces every test and exam. We were just talking last night about this so I challenged Ben with the same question about riding a bicycle or motorcycle in a straight line at a speed of about 20 mph and applying slight forward pressure on one of the handlebars. That prompted quite a discussion (as it did here) but he got the principle fairly quickly. So, to get him into some classroom discussion in school, I suggested that he ask his science teacher the same question when they go back to school after February vacation. He can't wait. This should be interesting. Well, the the 20 mph part might make things easier to compare I must admit.. Tell him to also ask his teacher about using weight shift instead of the bars to make the same maneuvers... Ummm... no. I don't think I will. As before, it has nothing to do with the question. Have him ask his teacher if it does.. Unless you are just unwilling to expand. The quote I read is "you can lean the bike by countersteering, or you can countersteer to lean the bike.... Why is is so unrelated that you can't even have the kid ask? Unless... um... forget it... |
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On 2/17/2014 11:30 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2014 11:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:17 AM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. The younger of my daughter's two boys (Ben) is 14 years old. He's a smart kid, very interested in science and technology related subjects. During a recent parent/teacher conference his science teacher told my daughter that he's "weird", but didn't mean it in a derogatory sense. The teacher explained that Ben is very quiet, doesn't ask many questions or participate much in classroom discussions but he aces or near aces every test and exam. We were just talking last night about this so I challenged Ben with the same question about riding a bicycle or motorcycle in a straight line at a speed of about 20 mph and applying slight forward pressure on one of the handlebars. That prompted quite a discussion (as it did here) but he got the principle fairly quickly. So, to get him into some classroom discussion in school, I suggested that he ask his science teacher the same question when they go back to school after February vacation. He can't wait. This should be interesting. Well, the the 20 mph part might make things easier to compare I must admit.. Tell him to also ask his teacher about using weight shift instead of the bars to make the same maneuvers... Ummm... no. I don't think I will. As before, it has nothing to do with the question. Have him ask his teacher if it does.. Unless you are just unwilling to expand. The quote I read is "you can lean the bike by countersteering, or you can countersteer to lean the bike.... Why is is so unrelated that you can't even have the kid ask? Unless... um... forget it... For the last time Scott ... and this *is* the last time ... The question is *NOT* "how do you lean a bike"? |
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On 2/17/2014 11:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 11:30 AM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:17 AM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. The younger of my daughter's two boys (Ben) is 14 years old. He's a smart kid, very interested in science and technology related subjects. During a recent parent/teacher conference his science teacher told my daughter that he's "weird", but didn't mean it in a derogatory sense. The teacher explained that Ben is very quiet, doesn't ask many questions or participate much in classroom discussions but he aces or near aces every test and exam. We were just talking last night about this so I challenged Ben with the same question about riding a bicycle or motorcycle in a straight line at a speed of about 20 mph and applying slight forward pressure on one of the handlebars. That prompted quite a discussion (as it did here) but he got the principle fairly quickly. So, to get him into some classroom discussion in school, I suggested that he ask his science teacher the same question when they go back to school after February vacation. He can't wait. This should be interesting. Well, the the 20 mph part might make things easier to compare I must admit.. Tell him to also ask his teacher about using weight shift instead of the bars to make the same maneuvers... Ummm... no. I don't think I will. As before, it has nothing to do with the question. Have him ask his teacher if it does.. Unless you are just unwilling to expand. The quote I read is "you can lean the bike by countersteering, or you can countersteer to lean the bike.... Why is is so unrelated that you can't even have the kid ask? Unless... um... forget it... For the last time Scott ... and this *is* the last time ... The question is *NOT* "how do you lean a bike"? Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) |
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:13:58 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth You should get Don to add 'anti-religious' to his 'fixation' list. |
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:44:31 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2014 11:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:30 AM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:17 AM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 10:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... or maybe too many liberal arts courses and not enough science and technology. :-) Once again, the liberal arts include all sorts of science and math classes and, among them, astronomy. The younger of my daughter's two boys (Ben) is 14 years old. He's a smart kid, very interested in science and technology related subjects. During a recent parent/teacher conference his science teacher told my daughter that he's "weird", but didn't mean it in a derogatory sense. The teacher explained that Ben is very quiet, doesn't ask many questions or participate much in classroom discussions but he aces or near aces every test and exam. We were just talking last night about this so I challenged Ben with the same question about riding a bicycle or motorcycle in a straight line at a speed of about 20 mph and applying slight forward pressure on one of the handlebars. That prompted quite a discussion (as it did here) but he got the principle fairly quickly. So, to get him into some classroom discussion in school, I suggested that he ask his science teacher the same question when they go back to school after February vacation. He can't wait. This should be interesting. Well, the the 20 mph part might make things easier to compare I must admit.. Tell him to also ask his teacher about using weight shift instead of the bars to make the same maneuvers... Ummm... no. I don't think I will. As before, it has nothing to do with the question. Have him ask his teacher if it does.. Unless you are just unwilling to expand. The quote I read is "you can lean the bike by countersteering, or you can countersteer to lean the bike.... Why is is so unrelated that you can't even have the kid ask? Unless... um... forget it... For the last time Scott ... and this *is* the last time ... The question is *NOT* "how do you lean a bike"? Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. |
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:40:15 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This is do to the teachers and their unions caring more about their benefits and retirement than their primary duty, the educaton of the USA's youth. They should also have asked if those Americans had union or non-union teachers. |
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:50:57 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:13:58 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around Earth This one might be one of the most disturbing stories you'll hear all day. Does the sun revolve around the Earth, or does the Earth revolve around the sun? The National Science Foundation posed this question to 2,200 Americans back in 2012. The results were published Friday and 26 percent of people surveyed believe the sun moves around the Earth. (Via Discovery) "The foundation says that's frightening, claiming that is why this nation needs more money invested in teaching science in school." (Via KUSI) The survey is conducted every few years to monitor America's educational progress. But maybe you don't think 26 percent is too much to be worried about. (Via National Science Foundation) Well, lets bring you back down to Earth, aka what some believe is the center of the universe. CNET writes, about "52 percent of Americans had no idea that humans evolved from animal species. This may be the 52 percent of people who believe that mayonnaise comes from the mayo plant." Back to the whole Earth-sun thing, those who answered the question wrong are more than late to the game — the first notion of Heliocentrism was around the third century B.C. http://tinyurl.com/ma9sl8a - - - The idea that the sun revolves around the earth is a deeply religious concept... I would not leap to the conclusion that this is a religious thing without having more information about other answers on the survey (can they name the president or which continent we live on) and whether these people came from a religious education or simply a product of the horrible public schools we have in most places, He forgot to mention that Americans did better than Europeans on this question. http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind1...pter-7/c07.pdf |
Hey John???
On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? |
Hey John???
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:12:19 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? from: KC to: Poco Loco date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM subject: countersteering... mailed-by: gmail.com signed-by: gmail.com We'll leave it at that. |
Hey John???
On 2/17/14, 1:12 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? He might be referring to Doppleganger Scotty, your Canadian namesake. :) |
Hey John???
On 2/17/2014 1:27 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:12:19 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? from: KC to: Poco Loco date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM subject: countersteering... mailed-by: gmail.com signed-by: gmail.com We'll leave it at that. Absolutely forged. And you all know damn well if I say something here, I admit it... period... |
Hey John???
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:50:59 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2014 1:27 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:12:19 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? from: KC to: Poco Loco date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM subject: countersteering... mailed-by: gmail.com signed-by: gmail.com We'll leave it at that. Absolutely forged. And you all know damn well if I say something here, I admit it... period... OK. |
Hey John???
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:50:59 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 1:27 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:12:19 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? from: KC to: Poco Loco date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM subject: countersteering... mailed-by: gmail.com signed-by: gmail.com We'll leave it at that. Absolutely forged. And you all know damn well if I say something here, I admit it... period... Are you giving permission to have the email message in question put into the public domain? |
Hey John???
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:03:50 -0500, BAR wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:50:59 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 1:27 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:12:19 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? from: KC to: Poco Loco date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM subject: countersteering... mailed-by: gmail.com signed-by: gmail.com We'll leave it at that. Absolutely forged. And you all know damn well if I say something here, I admit it... period... Are you giving permission to have the email message in question put into the public domain? Nah, no sweat. I didn't know it was possible to use someone else's name on gmail, but apparently it can be done. |
Hey John???
On 2/17/2014 1:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 1:12 PM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? He might be referring to Doppleganger Scotty, your Canadian namesake. :) Nah, it was the Connecticut Scotty. It's one of his email addresses. My guess is it was a reply intended for rec.boats but he sent it to John's email by mistake. Happens. I've done it many times. |
Hey John???
On 2/17/2014 2:03 PM, BAR wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:50:59 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 1:27 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:12:19 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? from: KC to: Poco Loco date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM subject: countersteering... mailed-by: gmail.com signed-by: gmail.com We'll leave it at that. Absolutely forged. And you all know damn well if I say something here, I admit it... period... Are you giving permission to have the email message in question put into the public domain? , Sure, and I did go back and check and I did write it. Somehow went straight to John instead of the group. He was acting like an asshole, so I called him, "asshole"... |
Hey John???
On 2/17/2014 2:14 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:03:50 -0500, BAR wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:50:59 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 1:27 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:12:19 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? from: KC to: Poco Loco date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM subject: countersteering... mailed-by: gmail.com signed-by: gmail.com We'll leave it at that. Absolutely forged. And you all know damn well if I say something here, I admit it... period... Are you giving permission to have the email message in question put into the public domain? Nah, no sweat. I didn't know it was possible to use someone else's name on gmail, but apparently it can be done. see other post.. |
Hey John???
On 2/17/14, 2:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 1:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 1:12 PM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? He might be referring to Doppleganger Scotty, your Canadian namesake. :) Nah, it was the Connecticut Scotty. It's one of his email addresses. My guess is it was a reply intended for rec.boats but he sent it to John's email by mistake. Happens. I've done it many times. Well, that's enough to bring on panic! :) I finally got around to putting another stick of RAM in my iMac. There's no question that a non-liberal arts fellow like you can do the same, and in your sleep. |
Hey John???
On 2/17/14, 2:26 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/17/2014 2:03 PM, BAR wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:50:59 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 1:27 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:12:19 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? from: KC to: Poco Loco date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM subject: countersteering... mailed-by: gmail.com signed-by: gmail.com We'll leave it at that. Absolutely forged. And you all know damn well if I say something here, I admit it... period... Are you giving permission to have the email message in question put into the public domain? , Sure, and I did go back and check and I did write it. Somehow went straight to John instead of the group. He was acting like an asshole, so I called him, "asshole"... You sent him an email calling him an asshole? Ahh, the inhabitants of rec.boats. |
Hey John???
On 2/17/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 2:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 1:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 1:12 PM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? He might be referring to Doppleganger Scotty, your Canadian namesake. :) Nah, it was the Connecticut Scotty. It's one of his email addresses. My guess is it was a reply intended for rec.boats but he sent it to John's email by mistake. Happens. I've done it many times. Well, that's enough to bring on panic! :) I finally got around to putting another stick of RAM in my iMac. There's no question that a non-liberal arts fellow like you can do the same, and in your sleep. So you now have what, 16Gb instead of 8Gb? Can you detect any difference in how it runs? I suppose it really depends on how demanding the application is. So far I have not experienced any problems or obvious slow-downs with 8Gb. |
Hey John???
On 2/17/14, 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 2:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/17/2014 1:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 1:12 PM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? He might be referring to Doppleganger Scotty, your Canadian namesake. :) Nah, it was the Connecticut Scotty. It's one of his email addresses. My guess is it was a reply intended for rec.boats but he sent it to John's email by mistake. Happens. I've done it many times. Well, that's enough to bring on panic! :) I finally got around to putting another stick of RAM in my iMac. There's no question that a non-liberal arts fellow like you can do the same, and in your sleep. So you now have what, 16Gb instead of 8Gb? Can you detect any difference in how it runs? I suppose it really depends on how demanding the application is. So far I have not experienced any problems or obvious slow-downs with 8Gb. Right, 16GB. I was going to sell the 8GB it came with, and had a buyer, but then I changed my mind. For me, it probably will only make a difference in running several apps at once, such as a big file on WORD along with photo processing. For you, it might make a difference when editing sound files or videos. I plan to set up around 4GB as an invokable RAM disk. |
Well, of course...
On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for thousands of years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is something I don't know. How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way.. Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for 'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again.... But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more power to you... |
Well, of course...
On 2/17/14, 2:50 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote: You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for thousands of years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is something I don't know. How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way.. Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for 'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again.... But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more power to you... Oh, well, then I guess you are discounting the trials and tribulations of one Galileo Galilei. He was an advocate of heliocentrism (Earth and planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the Solar System) and was investigated for it by an inquisition, which said he was wrong and heliocentrism was contrary to the bible. He was forbidden from lecturing that the earth was *not* the center of the solar system, and later he was forced under pain of death to recant his teachings. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest. So, if you go from your starting point (ancient Egyptians) to Galileo, that would be thousands of years, and that there are still people who believe the earth is still the center of the solar system is without question a testament to the thousands of years of religious misinformation. After he died, Galileo, one of the greatest thinkers of mankind, was denied an honored resting place because of religious ignorance. |
Hey John???
On 2/17/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 2:26 PM, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 2:03 PM, BAR wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:50:59 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 1:27 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:12:19 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:55 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Yeah, cause they are not related at all... But hey, you are the boss:) BTW Scott, you don't have to call me names by email. You can do it right here. Ummm, would you mind telling me what the hell you are talking about here? Or are you just smearing me?? from: KC to: Poco Loco date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:23 PM subject: countersteering... mailed-by: gmail.com signed-by: gmail.com We'll leave it at that. Absolutely forged. And you all know damn well if I say something here, I admit it... period... Are you giving permission to have the email message in question put into the public domain? , Sure, and I did go back and check and I did write it. Somehow went straight to John instead of the group. He was acting like an asshole, so I called him, "asshole"... You sent him an email calling him an asshole? Ahh, the inhabitants of rec.boats. It doesn't take a PhD in Psychiatry or Psychotherapy to recognized that sometimes Scott seems to be a prime candidate for anger management therapy with maybe a couple of sessions focused on paranoia. He seems to think everyone is out to get him and he has to fight back and call you an asshole or something. I just came back from the store. Most of the back roads are still snow and ice covered (towns are running out of sand and salt) with huge mounds of snow piled up by the plows at intersections that make it difficult to see if there is on-coming traffic. At one of these I inched my way forward, planning to turn right (no counter steering required). The coast was clear, so I made the turn and immediately saw a small car in the mirror approaching from a distant corner and coming up *fast* behind me. It was going *way* too fast for conditions. The driver was apparently oblivious to the fact that if the brakes where jammed on the car would probably skid off the road and into a snow bank. Then, still looking in the side mirror, I realized it was a young girl driving, probably 19-20 years old. She was mouthing something off that obviously I couldn't hear and giving me the one finger salute. All you can do is chuckle and hope maybe she *would* find herself buried in a snow bank somewhere. It also flashed through my mind (as Mrs.E. and I approach our 44th anniversary in a few days) of how fortunate I am to have grown up in an era when women didn't act like young, punk guys. |
Hey John???
Bet you were tempted to do the 'pit maneuver' on her. ;-)
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Well, of course...
On 2/17/2014 3:09 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/17/14, 2:50 PM, Tim wrote: On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote: You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for thousands of years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is something I don't know. How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way.. Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for 'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again.... But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more power to you... Oh, well, then I guess you are discounting the trials and tribulations of one Galileo Galilei. He was an advocate of heliocentrism (Earth and planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the Solar System) and was investigated for it by an inquisition, which said he was wrong and heliocentrism was contrary to the bible. He was forbidden from lecturing that the earth was *not* the center of the solar system, and later he was forced under pain of death to recant his teachings. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest. So, if you go from your starting point (ancient Egyptians) to Galileo, that would be thousands of years, and that there are still people who believe the earth is still the center of the solar system is without question a testament to the thousands of years of religious misinformation. After he died, Galileo, one of the greatest thinkers of mankind, was denied an honored resting place because of religious ignorance. Then there are some who believe *they* are the center of the universe. |
Well, of course...
On 2/17/14, 3:25 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/17/2014 3:09 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 2/17/14, 2:50 PM, Tim wrote: On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:24 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote: You are the one doing the leaping. I said the "idea" was deeply religious, and it is. It was part of religious teaching for thousands of years via various religions. Whether today's religions teach it is something I don't know. How many 'thousands' of years are you talking? and which civilizations? I know the early Egyptians(Pyramid builders) as well as the early Jews (Cabala studiers) didn't think that way.. Concerning this being a religious 'theory' that's been taught for 'thousands' of years? I really think you're projecting again.... But if that's really what and how you wish to believe, then more power to you... Oh, well, then I guess you are discounting the trials and tribulations of one Galileo Galilei. He was an advocate of heliocentrism (Earth and planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the Solar System) and was investigated for it by an inquisition, which said he was wrong and heliocentrism was contrary to the bible. He was forbidden from lecturing that the earth was *not* the center of the solar system, and later he was forced under pain of death to recant his teachings. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest. So, if you go from your starting point (ancient Egyptians) to Galileo, that would be thousands of years, and that there are still people who believe the earth is still the center of the solar system is without question a testament to the thousands of years of religious misinformation. After he died, Galileo, one of the greatest thinkers of mankind, was denied an honored resting place because of religious ignorance. Then there are some who believe *they* are the center of the universe. Oh, and I forgot to mention, Galileo was a liberal arts student. |
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