On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 7:58 AM, Tim wrote:

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:32:13 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 2:40 AM, thumper wrote:



On 2/17/2014 8:07 PM, Tim wrote:







Oh, I know the earth is much older than that. But is mankind?







Yes







http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/29/fossils.evolution3







Carbon 14 *IS* the accepted science for research, but its not



infallible...







Science doesn't claim to be infallible or perfectly accurate but rather



is self correcting and tends get better with time and effort.







http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/31/us...on-dating.html











1990...







C14 dating has well known limitations and constraints for appropriate



application and *is not* the only accepted method of dating.







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-carbon_dating







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating







http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html







It is an unfortunately common (and dishonest) creationist tactic to take



relatively small scientific controversies or corrections and equivocate



to infer that the whole field is unreliable.







As one of my mentors once said "All simulations (models) are wrong, some



are useful."







The god of the gaps is shrinking slowly.















There's nothing but dishonesty in creationism. It's one thing to be



self-delusional and believe that sort of nonsense, and it is quite



another and dishonest to try to push it onto public school kids as some



sort of "alternative."





Great proclamation Harry! Interesting that Creationism is 'dishonest' but an evolutionary theory is taught as a proven fact. LOL! BTW, When you gonna start building the conscentration camps to hold the 'religiously insane?"



Can I be the first to sign the guest book?



?;^ )





There is tons of science underpinning evolution, but not a shred of

evidence that creationism is anything more than religious delusion.



Go ahead, *prove* a supreme being created the universe. Got *any*

evidence that will stand scientific scrutiny? Anything at all beyond

religious "belief"?


Nah, let you science prove it.


You might enjoy skimming this:



http://tinyurl.com/mmqga



As I have stated many times, I don't give a damn what "the religious"

believe in terms of their religion, so long as they don't try to push

those beliefs beyond themselves, their families, their churches, et

cetera.


Sure you do, Harry, Sure you do. That's why you bring it up in here. And that's why it agitates you.

Teaching or promoting of religious belief should have no place

in our public schools or public institutions or public government.

And that's how our government is set up to no be pro- any specific religion.

Nor anti- as well.

On 2/19/14, 8:18 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:



Go ahead, *prove* a supreme being created the universe. Got *any*

evidence that will stand scientific scrutiny? Anything at all beyond

religious "belief"?


Nah, let you science prove it.



Yeah, right. There is no proof. There's nothing to it beyond religious
belief and faith, just as there is nothing more than that underpinning
creationism.

On 2/19/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 8:18 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:



Go ahead, *prove* a supreme being created the universe. Got *any*

evidence that will stand scientific scrutiny? Anything at all beyond

religious "belief"?


Nah, let you science prove it.



Yeah, right. There is no proof. There's nothing to it beyond religious
belief and faith, just as there is nothing more than that underpinning
creationism.


No proof works for you. Works for me too. But in the eyes of believers
and the faithful, no proof is needed. The concept of a Supreme Being is
one of faith. We have no right or qualifications to question or be
critical of what others believe. It has no place in public schools as
a teaching ... I agree, but people have the right to believe what they
want. I capitalized "Supreme Being" not because I am religious but
out of respect for those who are.

On 2/19/14, 9:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/19/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 8:18 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:



Go ahead, *prove* a supreme being created the universe. Got *any*

evidence that will stand scientific scrutiny? Anything at all beyond

religious "belief"?


Nah, let you science prove it.



Yeah, right. There is no proof. There's nothing to it beyond religious
belief and faith, just as there is nothing more than that underpinning
creationism.


No proof works for you. Works for me too. But in the eyes of believers
and the faithful, no proof is needed. The concept of a Supreme Being is
one of faith. We have no right or qualifications to question or be
critical of what others believe. It has no place in public schools as
a teaching ... I agree, but people have the right to believe what they
want. I capitalized "Supreme Being" not because I am religious but
out of respect for those who are.


Once again, I don't give a tinker's dam about peoples' religious
beliefs, so long as they aren't trying to shape or reshape our society
to conform to those beliefs. We certainly have the right and I think
obligation to push back when those religious beliefs are shoveled into
our path.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:44:12 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 9:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/19/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 8:18 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:



Go ahead, *prove* a supreme being created the universe. Got *any*

evidence that will stand scientific scrutiny? Anything at all beyond

religious "belief"?


Nah, let you science prove it.



Yeah, right. There is no proof. There's nothing to it beyond religious
belief and faith, just as there is nothing more than that underpinning
creationism.


No proof works for you. Works for me too. But in the eyes of believers
and the faithful, no proof is needed. The concept of a Supreme Being is
one of faith. We have no right or qualifications to question or be
critical of what others believe. It has no place in public schools as
a teaching ... I agree, but people have the right to believe what they
want. I capitalized "Supreme Being" not because I am religious but
out of respect for those who are.


Once again, I don't give a tinker's dam about peoples' religious
beliefs, so long as they aren't trying to shape or reshape our society
to conform to those beliefs. We certainly have the right and I think
obligation to push back when those religious beliefs are shoveled into
our path.

Who here, besides you, continuously throws anti-religious **** into our paths? You whine about
religion being shoved down your throat - where? Certainly not here, as you are the one who continues
the postings.

Try to keep the 'Dark Tetrad' in mind. You post your crap only to incite arguments and anger.

On 2/19/14, 10:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:44:12 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 9:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/19/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 8:18 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:



Go ahead, *prove* a supreme being created the universe. Got *any*

evidence that will stand scientific scrutiny? Anything at all beyond

religious "belief"?


Nah, let you science prove it.



Yeah, right. There is no proof. There's nothing to it beyond religious
belief and faith, just as there is nothing more than that underpinning
creationism.


No proof works for you. Works for me too. But in the eyes of believers
and the faithful, no proof is needed. The concept of a Supreme Being is
one of faith. We have no right or qualifications to question or be
critical of what others believe. It has no place in public schools as
a teaching ... I agree, but people have the right to believe what they
want. I capitalized "Supreme Being" not because I am religious but
out of respect for those who are.


Once again, I don't give a tinker's dam about peoples' religious
beliefs, so long as they aren't trying to shape or reshape our society
to conform to those beliefs. We certainly have the right and I think
obligation to push back when those religious beliefs are shoveled into
our path.

Who here, besides you, continuously throws anti-religious **** into our paths? You whine about
religion being shoved down your throat - where? Certainly not here, as you are the one who continues
the postings.

Try to keep the 'Dark Tetrad' in mind. You post your crap only to incite arguments and anger.


Never looked at that, not interested in W'hines ****-flinging or your
reposting of it. Sorry.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:45:20 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 10:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:44:12 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 9:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/19/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 8:18 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:



Go ahead, *prove* a supreme being created the universe. Got *any*

evidence that will stand scientific scrutiny? Anything at all beyond

religious "belief"?


Nah, let you science prove it.



Yeah, right. There is no proof. There's nothing to it beyond religious
belief and faith, just as there is nothing more than that underpinning
creationism.


No proof works for you. Works for me too. But in the eyes of believers
and the faithful, no proof is needed. The concept of a Supreme Being is
one of faith. We have no right or qualifications to question or be
critical of what others believe. It has no place in public schools as
a teaching ... I agree, but people have the right to believe what they
want. I capitalized "Supreme Being" not because I am religious but
out of respect for those who are.


Once again, I don't give a tinker's dam about peoples' religious
beliefs, so long as they aren't trying to shape or reshape our society
to conform to those beliefs. We certainly have the right and I think
obligation to push back when those religious beliefs are shoveled into
our path.

Who here, besides you, continuously throws anti-religious **** into our paths? You whine about
religion being shoved down your throat - where? Certainly not here, as you are the one who continues
the postings.

Try to keep the 'Dark Tetrad' in mind. You post your crap only to incite arguments and anger.


Never looked at that, not interested in W'hines ****-flinging or your
reposting of it. Sorry.

""Dark Tetrad": Machiavellianism (willingness to
manipulate and deceive others), narcissism (egotism and
self-obsession), psychopathy (the lack of remorse and empathy), and
sadism (pleasure in the suffering of others)."

Yes you have.

On 2/19/2014 10:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:44:12 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 9:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/19/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 8:18 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:



Go ahead, *prove* a supreme being created the universe. Got *any*

evidence that will stand scientific scrutiny? Anything at all beyond

religious "belief"?


Nah, let you science prove it.



Yeah, right. There is no proof. There's nothing to it beyond religious
belief and faith, just as there is nothing more than that underpinning
creationism.


No proof works for you. Works for me too. But in the eyes of believers
and the faithful, no proof is needed. The concept of a Supreme Being is
one of faith. We have no right or qualifications to question or be
critical of what others believe. It has no place in public schools as
a teaching ... I agree, but people have the right to believe what they
want. I capitalized "Supreme Being" not because I am religious but
out of respect for those who are.


Once again, I don't give a tinker's dam about peoples' religious
beliefs, so long as they aren't trying to shape or reshape our society
to conform to those beliefs. We certainly have the right and I think
obligation to push back when those religious beliefs are shoveled into
our path.

Who here, besides you, continuously throws anti-religious **** into our paths? You whine about
religion being shoved down your throat - where? Certainly not here, as you are the one who continues
the postings.

Try to keep the 'Dark Tetrad' in mind. You post your crap only to incite arguments and anger.


Actually, it's his landlady who's been shoving it down his throat and he
can't do anything about it. That's why he's ****ed.

On 2/19/2014 8:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 8:18 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:



Go ahead, *prove* a supreme being created the universe. Got *any*

evidence that will stand scientific scrutiny? Anything at all beyond

religious "belief"?


Nah, let you science prove it.



Yeah, right. There is no proof. There's nothing to it beyond religious
belief and faith, just as there is nothing more than that underpinning
creationism.

Keep the faith baby. The proof might be right around the corner.

On 2/19/2014 5:18 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:11:47 AM UTC-6, F*O*A*D wrote:

As I have stated many times, I don't give a damn what "the religious"

believe in terms of their religion, so long as they don't try to push

those beliefs beyond themselves, their families, their churches, et

cetera.

Sure you do, Harry, Sure you do. That's why you bring it up in here. And that's why it agitates you.

Teaching or promoting of religious belief should have no place

in our public schools or public institutions or public government.

And that's how our government is set up to no be pro- any specific religion.

Nor anti- as well.

It 'agitates' me when facts are misrepresented.

There is the observed fact of evolution; the change of heritable
characteristics in populations over generations, and there is the theory
of evolution that explains the mechanisms; mutation, genetic drift, and
natural selection.

Public schools should not be anti-science.