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Hey Dick and John..
Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering?
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... |
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#2
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Hey Dick and John..
On 2/13/2014 8:13 PM, KC wrote:
Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering? http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... I will answer my own question, the bike above is steering, the bike below is counter-steering http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/Pho...at-track-8.jpg And that's that... |
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#3
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Hey Dick and John..
On 2/13/2014 8:13 PM, KC wrote:
Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering? http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... Yup. Look at his hand and arm positions. He's following a curve to the *left*. His *left* hand and arm are slightly more forward than his right hand and arm, meaning the handlebars are turned ever so slightly to the right. Counter-steering. |
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#4
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Hey Dick and John..
On 2/13/2014 8:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 8:13 PM, KC wrote: Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering? http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... Yup. Look at his hand and arm positions. He's following a curve to the *left*. His *left* hand and arm are slightly more forward than his right hand and arm, meaning the handlebars are turned ever so slightly to the right. Counter-steering. Wow... nope... he looks like that because he is up under the tank... Look at the wide angle, **** looking at the hands, look at the front tire and fender... clearly the front end is turned slightly left... |
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#5
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Hey Dick and John..
On 2/13/2014 8:51 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 8:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 8:13 PM, KC wrote: Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering? http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... Yup. Look at his hand and arm positions. He's following a curve to the *left*. His *left* hand and arm are slightly more forward than his right hand and arm, meaning the handlebars are turned ever so slightly to the right. Counter-steering. Wow... nope... he looks like that because he is up under the tank... Look at the wide angle, **** looking at the hands, look at the front tire and fender... clearly the front end is turned slightly left... Turning left, front wheel turned left. http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/2007%2BAustralian%2BMotorcycle%2BGrand%2BPrix%2BQu alifying%2BDwNvr87Pcshl.jpg http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200612/2007-kawasaki-ninja-zx-6r-13_460x0w.jpg http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200612/2007-kawasaki-ninja-zx-6r-13_460x0w.jpg and one for Dick http://www.robhoyles.com/images/gall...0Cornering.JPG later.... |
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#6
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Hey Dick and John..
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:13:53 -0500, KC wrote:
Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering? http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... Bull****. I said no such thing. The driver is countersteering in that he is keeping pressure on the left handle to keep the bike in the curve. The moment he releases the pressure, the bike will straighten. If he immediately releases pressure on the left and applies it to the right - he will rapidly straighten and begin a right turn. He will remain in the right turn until he then releases the push on the right bar. Once the push on both bars is equal, or none, he will straighten up and remain so. Quit worrying about the front tire. It should be in alignment with the rear, or damn close to it. The reason it stays slanted to the left is because the driver is pushing (countersteering) on the left bar. Now, like Luddite, I'm finished. Please don't put words in my mouth. |
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#7
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Hey Dick and John..
Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:13:53 -0500, KC wrote: Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering? http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... Bull****. I said no such thing. The driver is countersteering in that he is keeping pressure on the left handle to keep the bike in the curve. The moment he releases the pressure, the bike will straighten. If he immediately releases pressure on the left and applies it to the right - he will rapidly straighten and begin a right turn. He will remain in the right turn until he then releases the push on the right bar. Once the push on both bars is equal, or none, he will straighten up and remain so. Quit worrying about the front tire. It should be in alignment with the rear, or damn close to it. The reason it stays slanted to the left is because the driver is pushing (countersteering) on the left bar. Now, like Luddite, I'm finished. Please don't put words in my mouth. He is not steering, he is falling over. Simple. |
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#8
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Hey Dick and John..
On 2/13/2014 11:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 20:13:53 -0500, KC wrote: Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering? http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... Bull****. I said no such thing. The driver is countersteering in that he is keeping pressure on the left handle to keep the bike in the curve. The moment he releases the pressure, the bike will straighten. If he immediately releases pressure on the left and applies it to the right - he will rapidly straighten and begin a right turn. He will remain in the right turn until he then releases the push on the right bar. Once the push on both bars is equal, or none, he will straighten up and remain so. Quit worrying about the front tire. It should be in alignment with the rear, or damn close to it. The reason it stays slanted to the left is because the driver is pushing (countersteering) on the left bar. Now, like Luddite, I'm finished. Please don't put words in my mouth. He is not steering, he is falling over. Simple. LOL! |
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#9
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Hey Dick and John..
On 2/13/2014 8:13 PM, KC wrote:
Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering? http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... Nope. Not what he said. |
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#10
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Hey Dick and John..
On 2/13/2014 9:00 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/13/2014 8:13 PM, KC wrote: Answer me one question. Is this bike countersteering? http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/152249.jpg If you say it is, then I stipulated to an erroneous definition of counter steering while John was apparently wasting my time today... He said in a nutshell, when the front tire is turned away from the direction of the turn, in relation to the radius... Nope. Not what he said. Well then I got it confused. Either way, all of the pics I just posted clearly show bikes turning in the direction the front tire is turned... |
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