On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:51:21 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:23:16 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

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To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the 'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of information.

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I think most kids are well aware already. Preaching abstinence is
mostly to make the parents feel good. The kids are under tremendous
biological and social pressure and already know waaay more than we
think they should.

I would think some 4th or 5th graders might not be as 'well aware' as you suppose.

It sure as hell can't hurt to mention that although other methods have a high probability of
preventing pregnancy or STDs, the *only* surefire way is abstinence.

It seems like some folks think that's a dirty word. There are, believe it or not, kids who in fact
practice abstinence from sexual intercourse.

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:53:10 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:


It seems like some folks think that's a dirty word. There are, believe it or not, kids who in fact

practice abstinence from sexual intercourse.

Mine did. So did my brothers and my sisters kid. The ones that are of age are happily married, intelligent with good jobs. One niece isn't even looking for a mate or 'experimenting' till she gets her career lined out. She's 24.

Contrary to some, not all kids 'experiment' with sex during their teen or young adult lives. And many of these same people believe that if a kid doesn't "fool around" , then there's something wrong with them..

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:53:10 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

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I think most kids are well aware already. Preaching abstinence is
mostly to make the parents feel good. The kids are under tremendous
biological and social pressure and already know waaay more than we
think they should.

I would think some 4th or 5th graders might not be as 'well aware' as you suppose.

===

Perhaps but I think you'd be surprised. A lot of these kids ride the
school bus and/or have older friends/cousins/brothers/sisters, etc.

I still maintain that teaching "abstinence" is mostly a feel good
thing for adults.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 13:10:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:53:10 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

===

I think most kids are well aware already. Preaching abstinence is
mostly to make the parents feel good. The kids are under tremendous
biological and social pressure and already know waaay more than we
think they should.

I would think some 4th or 5th graders might not be as 'well aware' as you suppose.

===

Perhaps but I think you'd be surprised. A lot of these kids ride the
school bus and/or have older friends/cousins/brothers/sisters, etc.

I still maintain that teaching "abstinence" is mostly a feel good
thing for adults.

Here they ride elementary school buses until middle school, then middle school buses, and then high
school buses, for those few who don't have cars.

On 2/8/14, 1:29 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 13:10:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:53:10 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

===

I think most kids are well aware already. Preaching abstinence is
mostly to make the parents feel good. The kids are under tremendous
biological and social pressure and already know waaay more than we
think they should.

I would think some 4th or 5th graders might not be as 'well aware' as you suppose.

===

Perhaps but I think you'd be surprised. A lot of these kids ride the
school bus and/or have older friends/cousins/brothers/sisters, etc.

I still maintain that teaching "abstinence" is mostly a feel good
thing for adults.

Here they ride elementary school buses until middle school, then middle school buses, and then high
school buses, for those few who don't have cars.



In I think the "better times" when I was in public school, I walked
three long blocks to elementary school, then four blocks to junior high.
We had sidewalks!

For high school, most of us took the buses, because the public high
school that served our part of the city was about five miles away. But
they weren't school buses...the board of education contracted with the
local transit company, which provided regular "city buses." We'd buy a
month's worth of bus tickets, which cost 7-/2 cents to ride each way,
and the drivers were instructed to allow any kid on the bus, whether or
not he or she had a bus ticket. There were "late buses" too, for kids
involved in afterschool activities.

Pretty decent school lunches in junior high for about a quarter. At high
school, they were 35 cents but the quality went way way down. Never
could figure out why.

In our group, we had one guy walk off the high school campus every
couple of days to pick up a bunch of Italian subs from a market about a
block away. It was "strictly forbidden" to do that, but...the assistant
principal, a Mr. Kennedy, who was responsible for school discipline,
would often be at the grocery to buy his lunch. We'd all pretend we
didn't see each other. Mr. Kennedy didn't like the cafeteria food very
much, either.

Oh, sex. In high school, everyone I knew practiced "safe" sex, and, as
far as I know, there were no pregnancies among our graduating class.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 14:02:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 1:29 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 13:10:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:53:10 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

===

I think most kids are well aware already. Preaching abstinence is
mostly to make the parents feel good. The kids are under tremendous
biological and social pressure and already know waaay more than we
think they should.

I would think some 4th or 5th graders might not be as 'well aware' as you suppose.

===

Perhaps but I think you'd be surprised. A lot of these kids ride the
school bus and/or have older friends/cousins/brothers/sisters, etc.

I still maintain that teaching "abstinence" is mostly a feel good
thing for adults.

Here they ride elementary school buses until middle school, then middle school buses, and then high
school buses, for those few who don't have cars.



In I think the "better times" when I was in public school, I walked
three long blocks to elementary school, then four blocks to junior high.
We had sidewalks!

For high school, most of us took the buses, because the public high
school that served our part of the city was about five miles away. But
they weren't school buses...the board of education contracted with the
local transit company, which provided regular "city buses." We'd buy a
month's worth of bus tickets, which cost 7-/2 cents to ride each way,
and the drivers were instructed to allow any kid on the bus, whether or
not he or she had a bus ticket. There were "late buses" too, for kids
involved in afterschool activities.

Pretty decent school lunches in junior high for about a quarter. At high
school, they were 35 cents but the quality went way way down. Never
could figure out why.

In our group, we had one guy walk off the high school campus every
couple of days to pick up a bunch of Italian subs from a market about a
block away. It was "strictly forbidden" to do that, but...the assistant
principal, a Mr. Kennedy, who was responsible for school discipline,
would often be at the grocery to buy his lunch. We'd all pretend we
didn't see each other. Mr. Kennedy didn't like the cafeteria food very
much, either.

Oh, sex. In high school, everyone I knew practiced "safe" sex, and, as
far as I know, there were no pregnancies among our graduating class.

It's good to know that no one you knew practiced abstinence and were 100% lucky.

On 2/8/14, 2:38 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 14:02:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 1:29 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 13:10:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:53:10 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

===

I think most kids are well aware already. Preaching abstinence is
mostly to make the parents feel good. The kids are under tremendous
biological and social pressure and already know waaay more than we
think they should.

I would think some 4th or 5th graders might not be as 'well aware' as you suppose.

===

Perhaps but I think you'd be surprised. A lot of these kids ride the
school bus and/or have older friends/cousins/brothers/sisters, etc.

I still maintain that teaching "abstinence" is mostly a feel good
thing for adults.

Here they ride elementary school buses until middle school, then middle school buses, and then high
school buses, for those few who don't have cars.



In I think the "better times" when I was in public school, I walked
three long blocks to elementary school, then four blocks to junior high.
We had sidewalks!

For high school, most of us took the buses, because the public high
school that served our part of the city was about five miles away. But
they weren't school buses...the board of education contracted with the
local transit company, which provided regular "city buses." We'd buy a
month's worth of bus tickets, which cost 7-/2 cents to ride each way,
and the drivers were instructed to allow any kid on the bus, whether or
not he or she had a bus ticket. There were "late buses" too, for kids
involved in afterschool activities.

Pretty decent school lunches in junior high for about a quarter. At high
school, they were 35 cents but the quality went way way down. Never
could figure out why.

In our group, we had one guy walk off the high school campus every
couple of days to pick up a bunch of Italian subs from a market about a
block away. It was "strictly forbidden" to do that, but...the assistant
principal, a Mr. Kennedy, who was responsible for school discipline,
would often be at the grocery to buy his lunch. We'd all pretend we
didn't see each other. Mr. Kennedy didn't like the cafeteria food very
much, either.

Oh, sex. In high school, everyone I knew practiced "safe" sex, and, as
far as I know, there were no pregnancies among our graduating class.

It's good to know that no one you knew practiced abstinence and were 100% lucky.


Well, there might have been a few, male or female, who couldn't find a
partner, but they didn't talk about that. Seriously, a lot of seniors in
my graduating class became sexually active in the 9th and 10 grade. The
ones I knew weren't dumb enough, male or female, to risk pregnancy.



--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.