Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:09:31 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/6/2014 9:57 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 8:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred
rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it
was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were
much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with
no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes
them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots
in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that
would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard
range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were
placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the
"self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about
2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at
seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to
about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for
the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but
the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me
having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The
target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target
like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't
get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their
breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady
enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.
Do you keep your shooting glasses on your night stand at night? Do you
wear your shooting glasses when you carry?

Why, you don't think honing your skills with the glasses would help you
in a situation where you didn't have them? I totally disagree, we train
for muscle memory and repetition of form. Lets put it this way, you
train for form and ideal reaction in the gym with everything controlled,
so when you are out there and are out of control or things are happening
faster than you can consciously process them or the situation is not
ideal, your instincts take over.... and you perform as close to perfect
as your training is... In Johns case, (well maybe not John sounds like
he needs a bit more range time:) say Tim, I suppose he could take out a
burgler in the dark, without his glasses anyway...

I'd think honing your skills with the equipment you normally carry would be the appropriate thing to
do. Like I said at the beginning, I don't want to have to tell those MS13 guys running rampant in my
neighborhood, according to Harry, to wait while I hunt down my 'shooting glasses'.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:35:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.


That is a good reason to own a "blue gun" (a training replica of your
real gun). You can take that just about anywhere without being
arrested., Mere mortals (people without a CCW license) can end up in
jail for having a pistol in Md, loaded or not. There are very few
exceptions to that law and going to the doctor is not one of them.


I live in Virginia, where just about everyone carries 'cause it's so easy to get a back door special
at all the gun shows, you know.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/14, 12:06 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.

Not possible with my eyeballs. My computer glasses are good from about 18" to 3'. My distance
glasses are good from about 5' on out. I should be wearing tri-focals, but I can't stand the damn
things. I could get a pair that had the computer Rx on the bottom and the distance Rx on the top.
Then I could bob my head up and down to shoot - look at the target then the sight. :)

Today I practiced shooting using my best eye, the left one. That helped. I had been shooting using
my right eye, which has a cataract along with some other ****.

Hey, I can bang the hell out of a cantaloupe at 7 yards. Good enough for night work down the
staircase.


Shooting cantaloupes can get messy...and expensive!

Try one eye with your computer glass RX and the other eye with your
distance RX.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/14, 12:08 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:09:31 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/6/2014 9:57 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 8:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred
rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it
was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were
much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with
no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes
them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots
in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that
would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard
range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were
placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the
"self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about
2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at
seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to
about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for
the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but
the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me
having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The
target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target
like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't
get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their
breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady
enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.
Do you keep your shooting glasses on your night stand at night? Do you
wear your shooting glasses when you carry?

Why, you don't think honing your skills with the glasses would help you
in a situation where you didn't have them? I totally disagree, we train
for muscle memory and repetition of form. Lets put it this way, you
train for form and ideal reaction in the gym with everything controlled,
so when you are out there and are out of control or things are happening
faster than you can consciously process them or the situation is not
ideal, your instincts take over.... and you perform as close to perfect
as your training is... In Johns case, (well maybe not John sounds like
he needs a bit more range time:) say Tim, I suppose he could take out a
burgler in the dark, without his glasses anyway...

I'd think honing your skills with the equipment you normally carry would be the appropriate thing to
do. Like I said at the beginning, I don't want to have to tell those MS13 guys running rampant in my
neighborhood, according to Harry, to wait while I hunt down my 'shooting glasses'.


A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:28:21 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.

===

It is an issue. :-)

It's great for working on your stance and grip however, and batteries
are a lot cheaper than ammo. I bought one on Amazon for my 9mm and it
improved my accuracy a lot. It's an easy install if you have a small
Weaver rail built into the bottom of the barrel.

Now see, there's an idea I hadn't thought of. Thanks!

I saw one at a gun show a while back that was only about $20.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:31:35 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.

If you watch the shooting shows the pros don't look that steady with a
laser either but they still put up good scores.
It might actually be a good training tool to work on your steadiness.
The serious shooters I knew did strength training with hand weights.
That was when the one hand hold was king tho.
Then the Weaver stance and the 2 hand grip took over.

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

Thank you too for the laser info.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:05:52 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:

Over a period of time I've gotten to be great friends with my Hungarian FEG-PA63 in 9mm Makarov. At 50 ft. I can rapidly empty the clip and ping up a gallon paint can lid with ease.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._with_Clip.jpg

I have a couple of the CZ-82's in 9mm Makarov. Great pistols, very accurate, and cheap! Good capacity too with the 12+1 system.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

snipped

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

Did you get your concealed carry permit to shoot at targets?

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:52:01 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/6/2014 11:18 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 10:36 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/6/2014 10:34 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 10:09 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/6/2014 9:57 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 8:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred
rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked
what it
was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys
were
much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with
no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes
them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six
shots
in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and
that
would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard
range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were
placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the
"self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from
about
2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel
orange at
seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting
glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to
about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for
the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but
the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house
and me
having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The
target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target
like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't
get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their
breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady
enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he
can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it
makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.
Do you keep your shooting glasses on your night stand at night? Do you
wear your shooting glasses when you carry?

Why, you don't think honing your skills with the glasses would help you
in a situation where you didn't have them? I totally disagree, we
train
for muscle memory and repetition of form. Lets put it this way, you
train for form and ideal reaction in the gym with everything
controlled,
so when you are out there and are out of control or things are
happening
faster than you can consciously process them or the situation is not
ideal, your instincts take over.... and you perform as close to perfect
as your training is... In Johns case, (well maybe not John sounds like
he needs a bit more range time:) say Tim, I suppose he could take out a
burgler in the dark, without his glasses anyway...
It's perfectly OK with me that you disagree with your interpretation of
what I said. ;-)

Well, why not tell us what you were saying then.... Cause a reasonable
person could believe you were leading to a discussion as to weather it's
good to wear them at the range, if you won't have them otherwise, tell
me where I'm wrong??
If you rely on a crutch to make your way around the house, it follows
that you should take the crutch with you when you go out for a walk.
Does that sound reasonable?

Not really.... I wear glasses, I am sure I could shoot someone without
them just fine though...

Without my glasses I'd see two people, one above the other. Then I'd have to pick which one to
shoot. I used to be a good diver. Now when I try to dive without my glasses I see two ends of the
board. One appears to be about a foot further out than the other. Don't know which to aim for.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:14:10 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 12:06 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.

Not possible with my eyeballs. My computer glasses are good from about 18" to 3'. My distance
glasses are good from about 5' on out. I should be wearing tri-focals, but I can't stand the damn
things. I could get a pair that had the computer Rx on the bottom and the distance Rx on the top.
Then I could bob my head up and down to shoot - look at the target then the sight. :)

Today I practiced shooting using my best eye, the left one. That helped. I had been shooting using
my right eye, which has a cataract along with some other ****.

Hey, I can bang the hell out of a cantaloupe at 7 yards. Good enough for night work down the
staircase.


Shooting cantaloupes can get messy...and expensive!

Try one eye with your computer glass RX and the other eye with your
distance RX.

I'll do something like that after the cataract surgery.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 11:52 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/6/2014 11:18 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 10:36 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/6/2014 10:34 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 10:09 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/6/2014 9:57 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 8:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred
rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked
what it
was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys
were
much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards
with
no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that
makes
them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six
shots
in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and
that
would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard
range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were
placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also
the
"self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from
about
2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel
orange at
seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting
glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to
about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for
the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but
the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house
and me
having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The
target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the
target
like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't
get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their
breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not
steady
enough.



I have a pair of "shooting glasses," as I described above. Call your
opthalmologist, tell him you are bringing an unloaded pistol so he
can
fix you up with a pair. You'll be astonished at the difference it
makes
in your accuracy when you can see the rear and front sight *and* the
target.
Do you keep your shooting glasses on your night stand at night? Do
you
wear your shooting glasses when you carry?

Why, you don't think honing your skills with the glasses would help
you
in a situation where you didn't have them? I totally disagree, we
train
for muscle memory and repetition of form. Lets put it this way, you
train for form and ideal reaction in the gym with everything
controlled,
so when you are out there and are out of control or things are
happening
faster than you can consciously process them or the situation is not
ideal, your instincts take over.... and you perform as close to
perfect
as your training is... In Johns case, (well maybe not John sounds like
he needs a bit more range time:) say Tim, I suppose he could take
out a
burgler in the dark, without his glasses anyway...
It's perfectly OK with me that you disagree with your interpretation of
what I said. ;-)

Well, why not tell us what you were saying then.... Cause a reasonable
person could believe you were leading to a discussion as to weather it's
good to wear them at the range, if you won't have them otherwise, tell
me where I'm wrong??
If you rely on a crutch to make your way around the house, it follows
that you should take the crutch with you when you go out for a walk.
Does that sound reasonable?

Not really.... I wear glasses, I am sure I could shoot someone without
them just fine though...
If you say so.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 12:08 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:09:31 -0500, KC wrote:
snipped

I'd think honing your skills with the equipment you normally carry would be the appropriate thing to
do. Like I said at the beginning, I don't want to have to tell those MS13 guys running rampant in my
neighborhood, according to Harry, to wait while I hunt down my 'shooting glasses'.


A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

Messy.

Shooting the P226...
 

Say what?
You have cataracts yet are armed and dangerous?
Mrs H. better get herself a PortaPottie for the bedroom. She can't take the chance of walking back from the bathroom in the night.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 10:04:09 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Say what?
You have cataracts yet are armed and dangerous?
Mrs H. better get herself a PortaPottie for the bedroom. She can't take the chance of walking back from the bathroom in the night.

Only mildly, in one eye.

Why do consider me dangerous?

How's your mom doing, Don?

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/14, 12:56 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

snipped

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

Did you get your concealed carry permit to shoot at targets?


No, John. Do you think one is necessary? :)

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 12:08 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:09:31 -0500, KC wrote:
snipped

I'd think honing your skills with the equipment you normally carry would be the appropriate thing to
do. Like I said at the beginning, I don't want to have to tell those MS13 guys running rampant in my
neighborhood, according to Harry, to wait while I hunt down my 'shooting glasses'.


A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

Messy.

Safer for Harry.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/14, 1:09 PM, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

If you watch the shooting shows the pros don't look that steady with a
laser either but they still put up good scores.
It might actually be a good training tool to work on your steadiness.
The serious shooters I knew did strength training with hand weights.
That was when the one hand hold was king tho.
Then the Weaver stance and the 2 hand grip took over.

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

If the only reason you have a pistol is to poke holes in paper you
would be best off with a .22rf or even a CO2 gun and they make some
real nice ones.



I have a .22LR pistol and a .22LR rifle. Are you suggesting I patrol my
neighborhood to confront black teenagers so I can shoot them?

Shooting the P226...
 

How's my mom doing??
I assume she's doing just fine up in heaven as we are coming up on the 2nd anniversary of her death.
If you can change your ways you just might get the chance to ask her yourself some day.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 1:09 PM, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

If you watch the shooting shows the pros don't look that steady with a
laser either but they still put up good scores.
It might actually be a good training tool to work on your steadiness.
The serious shooters I knew did strength training with hand weights.
That was when the one hand hold was king tho.
Then the Weaver stance and the 2 hand grip took over.

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

If the only reason you have a pistol is to poke holes in paper you
would be best off with a .22rf or even a CO2 gun and they make some
real nice ones.


Harry's eyesight must be failing. He now needs a 45 to make holes large
enough for him to see.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/14, 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.



There are at least two advantages to a short barrel but legal shotgun
for home defense:

Aim is important, but a tad less so than with a pistol since unchoked
the pellets will have a wider spread than a bullet. Shotgun pellets are
less likely to penetrate multiple panels of drywall and kill a kid or
your wife two rooms away.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 1:12 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 12:56 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

snipped

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight
seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

Did you get your concealed carry permit to shoot at targets?


No, John. Do you think one is necessary? :)

Not one but three cc permits. Someone should ask Harry why he needs them
since his cowboy 22 or 45 are hardly concealable for all *practical*
purposes.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.


Some of the laser systems have a "dance" mode and a steady mode. One of
the handguns I have or had does that, but I can't remember which one.
I never use the laser anyway

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 12:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:31:35 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.

If you watch the shooting shows the pros don't look that steady with a
laser either but they still put up good scores.
It might actually be a good training tool to work on your steadiness.
The serious shooters I knew did strength training with hand weights.
That was when the one hand hold was king tho.
Then the Weaver stance and the 2 hand grip took over.

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

Thank you too for the laser info.


I'd add this comment for what it's worth:

If you shoot at an outdoor range and the target is exposed to sunshine
the lasers they put on handguns become worthless beyond a few yards.
The only laser equipped firearm I have with a laser strong enough to be
seen at any reasonable distance is the Ruger .22 rifle.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 8:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:11:23 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:30:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 5:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

How do they compare size wise? The one good thing about the Bodyguard
is that it was a good pocket size pistol. Problem was that if I ever
had to use it in a hurry for self-defense I'd probably hit the sucker in
the foot.



Pocket pistols give me the creepies. I dunno why. If I were buying a
carry pistol, it wouldn't fit in my pocket. My fav revolver probably is
the S&W 686.

You still should have a holster, even for a pocket pistol. I agree I
don't like the pocket idea either. When I was carrying I used a cross
draw hip carry or the good old shoulder holster if I was wearing a
suit. Both were accessible in the car.
Both

I was thinking about Dick's post last night. I'm halfway thinking of getting one of these:

http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com/te...ide-image2.png

They come especially made for various pistols, including the P938.

And then I wondered, why not just carry it in the front pocket of my jeans - without a holster. What
does the pocket holster do for you?



Heh. I had one of those. Gave it to my wife. She carries her
cellphone and other junk in it. The idea of the pocket holster is
three fold. One, it keeps the gun and barrel clean of crap you might
have in the bottom of your pocket and two, it holds it in a position
that is easy to withdraw and three, prevents catching things like the
trigger on your pants. The one I had for the Bodyguard was this one:

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/361/361065.jpg

Inexpensive and worked well.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 1:28 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.



There are at least two advantages to a short barrel but legal shotgun
for home defense:

Aim is important, but a tad less so than with a pistol since unchoked
the pellets will have a wider spread than a bullet. Shotgun pellets are
less likely to penetrate multiple panels of drywall and kill a kid or
your wife two rooms away.
As usual, you are a little fuzzy on details.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 1:21 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 1:09 PM, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

If you watch the shooting shows the pros don't look that steady with a
laser either but they still put up good scores.
It might actually be a good training tool to work on your steadiness.
The serious shooters I knew did strength training with hand weights.
That was when the one hand hold was king tho.
Then the Weaver stance and the 2 hand grip took over.

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight
seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

If the only reason you have a pistol is to poke holes in paper you
would be best off with a .22rf or even a CO2 gun and they make some
real nice ones.



I have a .22LR pistol and a .22LR rifle. Are you suggesting I patrol my
neighborhood to confront black teenagers so I can shoot them?
No. You are. Shame on you.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 1:23 PM, True North wrote:
How's my mom doing??
I assume she's doing just fine up in heaven as we are coming up on the 2nd anniversary of her death.
If you can change your ways you just might get the chance to ask her yourself some day.

I assume you are addressing the heathen, Harry.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:12:05 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 12:56 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

snipped

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

Did you get your concealed carry permit to shoot at targets?


No, John. Do you think one is necessary? :)

Why did you get it?

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:20:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.

....and putting it under your pillow is not very comfortable.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:28:04 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.



There are at least two advantages to a short barrel but legal shotgun
for home defense:

Aim is important, but a tad less so than with a pistol since unchoked
the pellets will have a wider spread than a bullet. Shotgun pellets are
less likely to penetrate multiple panels of drywall and kill a kid or
your wife two rooms away.

You missed these questions. I'd find your answers interesting.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:21:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 1:09 PM, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

If you watch the shooting shows the pros don't look that steady with a
laser either but they still put up good scores.
It might actually be a good training tool to work on your steadiness.
The serious shooters I knew did strength training with hand weights.
That was when the one hand hold was king tho.
Then the Weaver stance and the 2 hand grip took over.

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

If the only reason you have a pistol is to poke holes in paper you
would be best off with a .22rf or even a CO2 gun and they make some
real nice ones.



I have a .22LR pistol and a .22LR rifle. Are you suggesting I patrol my
neighborhood to confront black teenagers so I can shoot them?

Harry, you made a snide comment to Gregg and he made a pretty good response, without the snideness.
Where did you come up with the 'confronting black teenagers so you could shoot them' ****?

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 10:23:56 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

How's my mom doing??
I assume she's doing just fine up in heaven as we are coming up on the 2nd anniversary of her death.
If you can change your ways you just might get the chance to ask her yourself some day.

Damn, I don't recall you mentioning that she'd died. My condolences. I miss my mom and was sure sad
when she left.

Actually, Don, I see no reason for the smart-assed comment, but you do what you wish.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:51:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Thank you too for the laser info.


I'd add this comment for what it's worth:

If you shoot at an outdoor range and the target is exposed to sunshine
the lasers they put on handguns become worthless beyond a few yards.
The only laser equipped firearm I have with a laser strong enough to be
seen at any reasonable distance is the Ruger .22 rifle.

===

For outdoor sunlight you need a green laser. My works fine out to 10
yards or so, not so much after that. Of course for working on your
stance and grip at home, any color will do.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:38:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/6/2014 8:46 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.


Some of the laser systems have a "dance" mode and a steady mode. One of
the handguns I have or had does that, but I can't remember which one.
I never use the laser anyway

Never heard of it. You're not talking about lasers on a stage are you?

I doubt I'd leave a laser on the gun, but I like Wayne's (and Gregg's) ideas of using it to practice
'steadiness'. That can be done using a wall at home. (Maybe using that picture of Harry.) :)

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:51:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/6/2014 12:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:31:35 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:05:48 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:58:37 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:23:44 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 11:19 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:24:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/5/14, 10:20 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
...is great! Took it to the range yesterday and put a hundred rounds through it. That gun is smooth
as silk. Two law enforcement folks saw the gun and asked what it was. I let them shoot it, and they
loved it also. I will admit right up front that these guys were much more accurate than I was! They
were hitting the man-sized silhouette targets at 25 yards with no sweat.

They got me thinking of taking a shooting class.


They were hitting man-sized targets at 25 yards, and that makes them
more accurate than you are? They should be able to put six shots in a
pie tin sized area of that man-sized target at 25 yards, and that would
only make them "OK" shots.

Don't get into a gunfight. :)

They demonstrated their abilities to out shoot me at the 7 yard range. I didn't try any shots at
their targets. I can't see well enough to see where they were placing their rounds in the big
targets.


Oh, seven yards. Yeah, that's the typical cop range, and also the "self
defense" range most of the instructors use.

The 'tests' they were doing had them shooting at targets from about 2 yards (quick draw and fire)
out to 25 yards. Probably more at 7 yards than anywhere else.

You should be able to shoot
offhanded and put six in a circle no larger than a navel orange at seven
yards if you can see decently with your glasses. Rx shooting glasses
might help, with one lens set for the distance from your eye to about a
foot beyond the front sight, and the other set for distance.

That is a problem. My computer/reading glasses are just right for the front sight, but the target is
a blur. My distance/reading glasses are great for the target, but the sights are a blur. As for the
navel orange...I'm thinking more a mandarin.

And, I hate the idea of some MS13 guy breaking into my house and me having to say, "Just a minute, I
have to find my Rx shooting glasses!"

You sound like the perfect candidate for a laser

At the range the other day someone had a laser on their gun. The target was at the 7 yard range, and
all I could see was the red spot. It was dancing all over the target like the guy was playing with a
cat. It was obvious he was trying to use it to aim, but he couldn't get it still enough. So, he shut
it off. Of course most of the folks there were laughing under their breath.

Anyway, I learned never to take a laser to the range. I'm not steady enough.

If you watch the shooting shows the pros don't look that steady with a
laser either but they still put up good scores.
It might actually be a good training tool to work on your steadiness.
The serious shooters I knew did strength training with hand weights.
That was when the one hand hold was king tho.
Then the Weaver stance and the 2 hand grip took over.

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

Thank you too for the laser info.


I'd add this comment for what it's worth:

If you shoot at an outdoor range and the target is exposed to sunshine
the lasers they put on handguns become worthless beyond a few yards.
The only laser equipped firearm I have with a laser strong enough to be
seen at any reasonable distance is the Ruger .22 rifle.

I wouldn't be using it outdoors for anything. Only indoor practice.

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:58:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Heh. I had one of those. Gave it to my wife. She carries her
cellphone and other junk in it. The idea of the pocket holster is
three fold. One, it keeps the gun and barrel clean of crap you might
have in the bottom of your pocket and two, it holds it in a position
that is easy to withdraw and three, prevents catching things like the
trigger on your pants. The one I had for the Bodyguard was this one:

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/361/361065.jpg

Inexpensive and worked well.

===

There's a 4th reason: It keeps the outline of the gun from showing
through. That can get you arrested in some states even with a CCW.

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 2:18 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:20:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.

...and putting it under your pillow is not very comfortable.


A freind suggested the Judge with two snake eaters, then two wad
cutters".. Said "you hit 'em in the face twice with the snakeeaters,
then while they are laying on the floor, ask them if they want to taste
the wadcutters in the next two chambers:)"

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/2014 1:24 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/6/2014 1:09 PM, wrote:
On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

If you watch the shooting shows the pros don't look that steady with a
laser either but they still put up good scores.
It might actually be a good training tool to work on your steadiness.
The serious shooters I knew did strength training with hand weights.
That was when the one hand hold was king tho.
Then the Weaver stance and the 2 hand grip took over.

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight
seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

If the only reason you have a pistol is to poke holes in paper you
would be best off with a .22rf or even a CO2 gun and they make some
real nice ones.


Harry's eyesight must be failing. He now needs a 45 to make holes large
enough for him to see.

Hey, maybe he just got some bigger pencils:)

Shooting the P226...
 

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 1:36:12 PM UTC-6, KC wrote:
On 2/6/2014 2:18 PM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:20:55 -0500, wrote:



On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.



I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.



Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?



Do you keep it loaded?



What ammo?



Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to

leave your bedroom?



I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a

tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full

sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.

If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as

far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore

is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to

have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?



That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,

even from Biden.



...and putting it under your pillow is not very comfortable.





A freind suggested the Judge with two snake eaters, then two wad

cutters".. Said "you hit 'em in the face twice with the snakeeaters,

then while they are laying on the floor, ask them if they want to taste

the wadcutters in the next two chambers:)"

A Judge? Now those things are neat. a pistol that shoots a .410 shotgun round. Yeah, I can see that peppering someone with bird shot at least once if not twice, then block busters for further non compliance.


Good call!

Shooting the P226...
 

On 2/6/14, 2:18 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:12:05 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 12:56 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On 6 Feb 2014 16:45:23 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:46:05 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

snipped

Originally the thought was shooting off to your side presented less of
a target to the other guy. Then someone pointed out that one shot
could get your heart and both lungs.

That rarely happens when you are shooting at targets. ? Gunfight seem to
be on your mind a lot. Is that because you are in a stand your ground
state?

Did you get your concealed carry permit to shoot at targets?


No, John. Do you think one is necessary? :)

Why did you get it?


I answered that here a long time ago.