In article , says...


Apple is giving away its OS to users with five and six year old
computers. It's hardly bundled for those users. Oh, and I recently
perused the web pages of two large Windoze computer suppliers for a
laptop similar to mine and a desktop similar to what I ordered. There
was less than $100 price difference either way, and what I saw from Dell
and HP were rather clunky desktops or all in ones and laptops that are
two generations behind in design. And of course, they run Windoze.

Unless you get specific, this means nothing.
If you want the Apple logo, you have to pay up for it.
Simple as that.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/3/14, 10:04 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january


Or you could buy an upgraded motherboard with a fast 80286 CPU.



Windows XP is still used in many non-personal computer applications like
gas station pumps, ATM machines and other "transparent" applications. XP
may be retaining a market share because the cost of upgrading both
software and hardware to support Win 7 or 8 is expensive for these applications.

As a user of XP, Windows 7 and 8 (and now an iMac) I think XP was (is) a
very good and stable OS but Windows 7 has it beat hands down.
Even this Vista machine runs faster and has more capabilities than XP, as good as it is.

I think the vista machine would probably run XP a lot faster than your old
machine.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 2/3/14, 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january

Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to
switch.
If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change
your hardware and software?
99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on
a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of sale,
you don't need that much computing power.
All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average
business man's operation.
Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why
they need a different OS.



Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste the money.


Mavericks is a lot more expensive than $0.00! You have paid at least 30%
more for the hardware.

On 2/3/2014 5:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says...


Apple is giving away its OS to users with five and six year old
computers. It's hardly bundled for those users. Oh, and I recently
perused the web pages of two large Windoze computer suppliers for a
laptop similar to mine and a desktop similar to what I ordered. There
was less than $100 price difference either way, and what I saw from Dell
and HP were rather clunky desktops or all in ones and laptops that are
two generations behind in design. And of course, they run Windoze.

Unless you get specific, this means nothing.
If you want the Apple logo, you have to pay up for it.
Simple as that.



Not necessarily. Here's the Windows Vista laptop I am using right now
..... :-)

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/DSC_8888.jpg?t=1391469190

On Monday, February 3, 2014 3:14:06 PM UTC-6, HanK wrote:
On 2/3/2014 2:49 PM, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:49:45 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/3/14, 11:46 AM, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:



Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.



http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january



Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to

switch.

If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change

your hardware and software?

99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on

a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of sale,

you don't need that much computing power.

All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average

business man's operation.

Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why

they need a different OS.







Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its

price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put

Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste

the money.



The OS is not free, it is just bundled into the overpriced hardware.

IBM did the same thing with the System 360, all the software was free

including on site support ... until LBJ sued them over it.



Apple gets away with it because they are still a small player.



Most people do not get the retail version of windows anyway. They get

it bundled with the software and it is about $35-40 that way based on

what you can get a bare (or linux) system for.



I don't even pay that. When you get an off lease machine the extra

cost is negligible and you could reinstall that OS on a brand new

machine if you wanted to. You just need the sticker ... or just the

numbers.

I am not even sure Microsoft is checking for duplicate XP

installations these days. I do have a good W-7 number if I wanted to

play with it but I have XP on that machine now.

I have still not seen a compelling need to go to 7 or 8.



I am not impressed with the idea that just being newer is always

better.



I just fired up a win 8.1 machine. So far everything is loading in

flawlessly, even the 1999 Mapsource from Garmin. I'm in the process of

loading the 2014 map data now. So far so good.

Can you do that on a Win7?

On Monday, February 3, 2014 4:42:59 PM UTC-6, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,

says...





What is a 'hard reset'?



When you have to power off your PC because it doesn't respond to

keyboard or mouse input.

I've had to do that with my old box. even unplugged it for a day. That helped.

On 2/3/2014 5:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 15:02:20 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 13:48:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/3/2014 11:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/3/14, 10:04 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january


Or you could buy an upgraded motherboard with a fast 80286 CPU.



Windows XP is still used in many non-personal computer applications like
gas station pumps, ATM machines and other "transparent" applications.
XP may be retaining a market share because the cost of upgrading both
software and hardware to support Win 7 or 8 is expensive for these
applications.

As a user of XP, Windows 7 and 8 (and now an iMac) I think XP was (is)
a very good and stable OS but Windows 7 has it beat hands down.
Even this Vista machine runs faster and has more capabilities than XP,
as good as it is.


Who cares if it is faster, as long as the XP machine is going as fast
as it needs to go?
Most of the delay is in "calling home" on those applications, not
handling the local transaction.
Games and video processing are the main power hogs on a PC. If you are
just "computing" your old 4.77 mz PC/XT went as fast as you needed to
go. (Visicalc spread sheets etc)
We ran a quarter million dollar business on one.

I can't type faster than my machine can display. I figure that's good enough.



If you browse and shop on the Internet XP's age will begin to show.
Actually it has already. Graphic displays on websites are getting more
and more complex and Win 7 and 8 simply handle them better. I could see
that on the Compaq I had running XP before it died. I had this Vista
and the Win 7 also when it worked. All three were basically the same in
terms of CPU speed and RAM and all three were/are "Multimedia" models,
supposedly optimized for multimedia, something a computer guru suggested
to me when I was buying the XP machine years ago. He said that a
computer optimized for multimedia (what the optimization is ... I don't
know) would generally run faster and better for all applications and
uses. I can't verify that except my laptops run a heck of a lot faster
than my wife's Dell desktop. Then again, I am not sure how her Dell is
populated in terms of CPU and RAM.

If all you use your computer for is email and newsgroups, Win 3.1 would
probably still work. :-)

On 2/3/2014 6:19 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2014 3:14:06 PM UTC-6, HanK wrote:
On 2/3/2014 2:49 PM, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:49:45 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/3/14, 11:46 AM, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:



Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.



http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january



Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to

switch.

If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change

your hardware and software?

99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on

a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of sale,

you don't need that much computing power.

All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average

business man's operation.

Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why

they need a different OS.







Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its

price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put

Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste

the money.



The OS is not free, it is just bundled into the overpriced hardware.

IBM did the same thing with the System 360, all the software was free

including on site support ... until LBJ sued them over it.



Apple gets away with it because they are still a small player.



Most people do not get the retail version of windows anyway. They get

it bundled with the software and it is about $35-40 that way based on

what you can get a bare (or linux) system for.



I don't even pay that. When you get an off lease machine the extra

cost is negligible and you could reinstall that OS on a brand new

machine if you wanted to. You just need the sticker ... or just the

numbers.

I am not even sure Microsoft is checking for duplicate XP

installations these days. I do have a good W-7 number if I wanted to

play with it but I have XP on that machine now.

I have still not seen a compelling need to go to 7 or 8.



I am not impressed with the idea that just being newer is always

better.



I just fired up a win 8.1 machine. So far everything is loading in

flawlessly, even the 1999 Mapsource from Garmin. I'm in the process of

loading the 2014 map data now. So far so good.

Can you do that on a Win7?

Yes. If you have a GPS WITH LIFETIME MAPS

On 2/3/2014 5:42 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


What is a 'hard reset'?

When you have to power off your PC because it doesn't respond to
keyboard or mouse input.



The only issue I've ever encountered using Vista or Win 7 is an
occasional program "not responding". Usually it will clear itself if
you have patience.

If it doesn't in a reasonable period of time, I just open "Task Manager"
(Ctr, alt, delete, then click on Task Manager), look for the
non-responding application and close it manually by selecting "End
Task". Application closes and can then be re-opened. No hard reset
required.

On 2/3/2014 5:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 11:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/3/14, 10:04 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january


Or you could buy an upgraded motherboard with a fast 80286 CPU.



Windows XP is still used in many non-personal computer applications like
gas station pumps, ATM machines and other "transparent" applications. XP
may be retaining a market share because the cost of upgrading both
software and hardware to support Win 7 or 8 is expensive for these applications.

As a user of XP, Windows 7 and 8 (and now an iMac) I think XP was (is) a
very good and stable OS but Windows 7 has it beat hands down.
Even this Vista machine runs faster and has more capabilities than XP, as good as it is.

I think the vista machine would probably run XP a lot faster than your old
machine.


Maybe, but why? This Vista machine outperforms the Compaq I had with XP
with basically the same CPU speed and RAM.

Other than slow boots from a power off condition, I have no complaints
about Vista. I rarely shut it down completely. I just put it in "sleep"
mode.

It has been stable and this HP Pavilion has had no hick-ups in 5 years,
used daily. Many people expressed frustration and problems with Vista
but I haven't had any issues or complaints. The Win 7 and 8 has some
updated applications that are better than what is in this Vista machine,
but I really haven't had any need to upgrade it.

I'll just use it until it croaks.