On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:05:16 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Monday, 3 February 2014 15:24:27 UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 13:15:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:



The two houses in Florida had pools and then Mrs.E. wanted one up here

in MA.



It will be the last. No more pools.





I wouldn't have a pool up north. The season is too short and the

winterizing process too cumbersome (mostly the opening).


Up here, I think it would be better to join a nice club and use their pool.

Wholeheartedly agree - even all the way down here in VA. Our local county rec center charges a bit
over $500 for a year's membership. Much cheaper than a swimming pool, I'd imagine.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/parks/r...c/lee-aqua.htm

wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 23:13:58 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 22:24:23 -0500, wrote:

I just got some waterproof epoxy and fixed the crack in mine.

===

We've had that done at least 3 or 4 times by a local pool
professional. He says that the only permanent cure at this point is
a do-over.

Then I guess it is time.

I went out of my way to leave a patch of grass near that side of the
pool, just so repairs like that would be a bit less destructive.
Skimmers are the #1 suspect for a pool leak

The original leak was where the bottom pipe connected to the skimmer. Did
not realize that was the leak. Pressure check did not find anything. A
pool guy I met at the crab season opening party, said to use PC10
underwater epoxy to seal the pipe. But by this time, the whole concrete
structure had cracked from the wall. If it breaks the pipe to the bottom
of the pool as it gets deep in the ground, he said just seal the bottom
drain and let the pool sweep get the leaves and dirt. Seal the drain and
cap off the pipe at the skimmer. The original remodel of the pool
contractor did not put much rebar connecting the skimmer concrete to the
pool.

On 2/3/2014 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 12:54:46 -0500, KC wrote:


Got a bud in St. Pete... He says most of the days when he wants to use
the pool, the temps are 89+ and it offers little relief.

Turn on the solar collectors and run it at night.
My timer/controller even has a switch for that.
It runs from midnight to 0600.
That will scrub several degrees off of the heat. The screen cage also
keeps the heat down a little. It seldom gets above 87. My wife doesn't
even want to get in it until it is 84. Nobody but the grand kids will
get in it if it is under about 79-80.


What are solar collectors for, how would turning on solar collectors
make the pool cooler? I don't get it.

On 2/3/2014 2:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 13:15:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The two houses in Florida had pools and then Mrs.E. wanted one up here
in MA.

It will be the last. No more pools.


I wouldn't have a pool up north. The season is too short and the
winterizing process too cumbersome (mostly the opening).


Not true really... I have an above ground. Empty in the fall, fill in
the spring...

True North wrote:
On Monday, 3 February 2014 15:24:27 UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 13:15:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:



The two houses in Florida had pools and then Mrs.E. wanted one up here

in MA.



It will be the last. No more pools.





I wouldn't have a pool up north. The season is too short and the

winterizing process too cumbersome (mostly the opening).


Up here, I think it would be better to join a nice club and use their pool.

A lot cheaper also!

On 2/3/2014 5:46 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 12:54:46 -0500, KC wrote:


Got a bud in St. Pete... He says most of the days when he wants to use
the pool, the temps are 89+ and it offers little relief.

Turn on the solar collectors and run it at night.
My timer/controller even has a switch for that.
It runs from midnight to 0600.
That will scrub several degrees off of the heat. The screen cage also
keeps the heat down a little. It seldom gets above 87. My wife doesn't
even want to get in it until it is 84. Nobody but the grand kids will
get in it if it is under about 79-80.


What are solar collectors for, how would turning on solar collectors
make the pool cooler? I don't get it.


If you run the pool water through the solar panels at night when the air
temp and blackbody radiation (panels are looking at black space) they
will radiate heat from the water, removing heat.

Same deal happens with solar battery chargers if the blocking diode
shorts (which is rare). It will charge the battery during the day and
discharge it at night. Ask me how I found that out. :-)

KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 12:54:46 -0500, KC wrote:


Got a bud in St. Pete... He says most of the days when he wants to use
the pool, the temps are 89+ and it offers little relief.

Turn on the solar collectors and run it at night.
My timer/controller even has a switch for that.
It runs from midnight to 0600.
That will scrub several degrees off of the heat. The screen cage also
keeps the heat down a little. It seldom gets above 87. My wife doesn't
even want to get in it until it is 84. Nobody but the grand kids will
get in it if it is under about 79-80.


What are solar collectors for, how would turning on solar collectors make
the pool cooler? I don't get it.

When it is cooler outside in the night, the collectors are radiators.

On 2/3/2014 5:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/3/2014 5:46 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/3/2014 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 12:54:46 -0500, KC wrote:


Got a bud in St. Pete... He says most of the days when he wants to use
the pool, the temps are 89+ and it offers little relief.

Turn on the solar collectors and run it at night.
My timer/controller even has a switch for that.
It runs from midnight to 0600.
That will scrub several degrees off of the heat. The screen cage also
keeps the heat down a little. It seldom gets above 87. My wife doesn't
even want to get in it until it is 84. Nobody but the grand kids will
get in it if it is under about 79-80.


What are solar collectors for, how would turning on solar collectors
make the pool cooler? I don't get it.


If you run the pool water through the solar panels at night when the air
temp and blackbody radiation (panels are looking at black space) they
will radiate heat from the water, removing heat.

Same deal happens with solar battery chargers if the blocking diode
shorts (which is rare). It will charge the battery during the day and
discharge it at night. Ask me how I found that out. :-)

Ok, I get it now....

On Monday, February 3, 2014 10:56:09 AM UTC-6, wrote:


I know. A lot of people would be better served if they just had a

pond.


agreed. I use mine. and in fact I'll be hauling in some sand this year, to make my own 'beach' And seeing it's not a 'huge' pond but it is about 8 feet deep on one end. The top water can get pretty warm in the summer. but I do have a circulating pump that if let run for about 15 minutes, will put the bottom water to the top and that makes a huge difference!

On 2/3/2014 8:26 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 17:47:21 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/3/2014 2:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 13:15:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The two houses in Florida had pools and then Mrs.E. wanted one up here
in MA.

It will be the last. No more pools.


I wouldn't have a pool up north. The season is too short and the
winterizing process too cumbersome (mostly the opening).


Not true really... I have an above ground. Empty in the fall, fill in
the spring...

Isn't it full of leaves, dirty water and frogs in the spring? It used
to take my brother in law a long weekend to clean out his pool before
he could even start to put the water in.


It's 20 feet around and only holds about an inch of water over the
winter.. leaves are removed in about ten minutes, a quick flush and fill
her up.. Takes more time to bring out the filters and hook them up...