Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.

On 1/30/14, 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.



SSD drive prices are dropping pretty fast. I happened to look this AM at
prices on Amazon for a top of the line Samsung 500 GB SSD, and found
several at around $300, and a 1 TB drive for about $500. That's about
half of what a similar drive would have been last year, or maybe a tad
more, at least for the 500 GB drive. I don't know what terabyte SSD's
were selling for in the past.

The TB drive is this honey: Samsung Electronics 840 EVO-Series 1TB
2.5-Inch SATA III Single Unit Version Internal Solid State Drive
MZ-7TE1T0BW

Prices on "Spinner" drives, even the quality ones, have dropped even
more dramatically the last two years.

I ordered my new iMac with an SSD drive. Will be here by the end of next
week, I'm sure. It's a long swim from China or wherever it is being
manufactured/assembled.


--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.


I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs
that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't
need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The
trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.


I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs
that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't
need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The
trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years.

I doubt if the cloud ever kills off spinners. The cloud is just moving the
storage to a different location. As to using the cloud. Maybe for
pictures. But for any financial info, or stuff I do not want in public, no
way! The other problem is retrieving stuff from the cloud. Limited by the
internet. And the internet is going to have a big prob,me very shortly is
and lots of hardware is going to have to be upgraded. Lengthen the address
space as running out of available numbers. I think the cloud is viable,
but not the replacement for local large storage. I own a bunch of Rack
Space stock, so I am betting on cloud usage"

In article ,
says...

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.


I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs
that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't
need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The
trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years.

I doubt if the cloud ever kills off spinners. The cloud is just moving the
storage to a different location. As to using the cloud. Maybe for
pictures. But for any financial info, or stuff I do not want in public, no
way! The other problem is retrieving stuff from the cloud. Limited by the
internet. And the internet is going to have a big prob,me very shortly is
and lots of hardware is going to have to be upgraded. Lengthen the address
space as running out of available numbers. I think the cloud is viable,
but not the replacement for local large storage. I own a bunch of Rack
Space stock, so I am betting on cloud usage"

In the early 90's they were squaking about running out of space in the IPv4 address space.
Twenty-five years later and we are still using IPv4. Most networking equipment today has the
ability to run IPv6, mostly this is tunnelled from IPv6 network to IPv6 network over IPv4.

BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.


I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs
that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't
need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The
trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years.

I doubt if the cloud ever kills off spinners. The cloud is just moving the
storage to a different location. As to using the cloud. Maybe for
pictures. But for any financial info, or stuff I do not want in public, no
way! The other problem is retrieving stuff from the cloud. Limited by the
internet. And the internet is going to have a big prob,me very shortly is
and lots of hardware is going to have to be upgraded. Lengthen the address
space as running out of available numbers. I think the cloud is viable,
but not the replacement for local large storage. I own a bunch of Rack
Space stock, so I am betting on cloud usage"

In the early 90's they were squaking about running out of space in the IPv4 address space.
Twenty-five years later and we are still using IPv4. Most networking
equipment today has the
ability to run IPv6, mostly this is tunnelled from IPv6 network to IPv6 network over IPv4.

The problem now, is every little device is getting an IP address. All
those wireless cameras, etc.

In article ,
says...

BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.


I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs
that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't
need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The
trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years.

I doubt if the cloud ever kills off spinners. The cloud is just moving the
storage to a different location. As to using the cloud. Maybe for
pictures. But for any financial info, or stuff I do not want in public, no
way! The other problem is retrieving stuff from the cloud. Limited by the
internet. And the internet is going to have a big prob,me very shortly is
and lots of hardware is going to have to be upgraded. Lengthen the address
space as running out of available numbers. I think the cloud is viable,
but not the replacement for local large storage. I own a bunch of Rack
Space stock, so I am betting on cloud usage"

In the early 90's they were squaking about running out of space in the IPv4 address space.
Twenty-five years later and we are still using IPv4. Most networking
equipment today has the
ability to run IPv6, mostly this is tunnelled from IPv6 network to IPv6 network over IPv4.

The problem now, is every little device is getting an IP address. All
those wireless cameras, etc.

Everything now has an IPv4 and IPv6 MAC address but, the IP address is assinged by specific
action or by DHCP. The 10.x.x.x network is freely availabe ot anyone to use and it provide
you with 16 million addresses that you can use on your internal hard wired and wifi network.

On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.


I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs
that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't
need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The
trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years.

I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will
get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank.

On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5" drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.


I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs
that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't
need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The
trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years.

I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage. Anything *really* important will
get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank.


For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data
is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time?

The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll
bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be
safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage
spaces that can add redundancy. .

On 1/31/14, 9:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/31/2014 8:50 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:32:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/30/2014 2:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/28/2014 8:19 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
...if your iMac has a fusion drive, this is a pretty good read on
how it
actually works.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6679/a...s-fusion-drive



Interesting. I don't have a clue if my iMac has fusion drive or
not. I
don't think so, but I seem to recall reading something about it
somewhere.

It's obsolete tech. SSD's are cheaper now.
And you don't need them anyway.
I have an SSD for my OS. It boots faster.
BFD.
Can't tell the difference anywhere else.
My games are still on spinners, plain and not RAIDed.
No noticeable difference.
If you're moving massive files from SSD to SSD, it'll be faster.
SSD's will kill off spinners as prices fall.

Be a long time before SSD kills off spinners! Just the price
difference
per Terabyte will keep hard drives selling for years. You remind me
of a
fellow engineer when I worked for Maxtor. He stated, he could put
all the
storage anybody needed on his desktop. We were designing a 1.9gb 5"
drive
at the time. Early 1990's. He did not really have a clue about
storage
requirements. Was PC centric. When I designed disk controllers for
DEC
systems, customers were using 600 MB washing machine sized drives
and were
limited by room real estate as to how many they could install. You
have to
consider commercial storage requirements. Credit reporting
agencies, NSA,
NASA, banks and all in RAID systems.


I don't think it will be decreased price or additional capacity of SSDs
that kill off spinners. I think it will be the fact that you just don't
need a lot of local storage and future computers won't have it. The
trend is "cloud" storage and has been for several years.

I can't think of anything 'important' I'd trust to cloud storage.
Anything *really* important will
get dumped to paper/CD (or both) and put in the bank.


For the average, non-commercial user, how much really "important" data
is kept on a computer that could blow up at any time?

The "cloud" really isn't for storage of important data either but I'll
bet 90 percent of the user created files stored on a hard drive could be
safely stored in the cloud, especially since there are multiple storage
spaces that can add redundancy. .



And besides, it's much easier for the NSA to suck down the data of a
zillion users from the cloud than it is to get it out of a zillion
individual computers. (It's sarcasm, fellas...don't take it too seriously.)

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.