On 12/24/2013 11:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:08:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 8:05 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:32:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I've not read the "atheist handbook." Which edition do you recommend?

--

I am not an aficionado.
It is the real religion of hate



Really? Are there tribes of atheists running amok in the middle east,
tossing bombs at buses full of school children, or are the atheists too
busy flying drones into wedding parties? Oh, I know...it's the atheists
shooting abortion doctors.

You don't have to be violent to hate.
People who take that much joy in ridiculing another's beliefs is
hateful.


Well, in that case all the christians who ridicule atheists, muslims,
jews, gays, hindus, whatever, are hateful. That would include your
buddies here in rec.boats. Yet another reason to find a cure for religion.


Could you point me to an example where anyone in rec.boats have
ridiculed any of the above based on religious reasons?

I don't like fundamentalist muslims who believe you either convert or
lose your head. But that doesn't mean I don't like *all* people of the
Muslim faith.

I personally have a little trouble with gay marriages. I don't have any
problem with civil unions. But, I don't despise or condemn gays just
because they are gay or because our legal system has decided that gay
marriages are ok.

I can't recall anyone else here overtly engaging in ridicule of anyone's
religious beliefs or lifestyles .... well, except one person ... you.

On 12/24/13, 1:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 11:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:08:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 8:05 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:32:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I've not read the "atheist handbook." Which edition do you recommend?

--

I am not an aficionado.
It is the real religion of hate



Really? Are there tribes of atheists running amok in the middle east,
tossing bombs at buses full of school children, or are the atheists too
busy flying drones into wedding parties? Oh, I know...it's the atheists
shooting abortion doctors.

You don't have to be violent to hate.
People who take that much joy in ridiculing another's beliefs is
hateful.


Well, in that case all the christians who ridicule atheists, muslims,
jews, gays, hindus, whatever, are hateful. That would include your
buddies here in rec.boats. Yet another reason to find a cure for
religion.


Could you point me to an example where anyone in rec.boats have
ridiculed any of the above based on religious reasons?




Just keep an eye on the posts of Herring and a few of the rest of your
right-wing buddies.



--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:39:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:40:11 -0500, John H.
wrote:


Well, it's not like Steve Martin hasn't tried to jump start them!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wogta8alHiU

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


Steve and Paul Simon with an old classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0w_LniNMgA

Crap. Even with headphones I could understand only about half the words. But, what I understood
sounds like it could also be an atheist's (or ESAD's) theme song.

I wonder how he decorates his Christmas tree?

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/24/2013 1:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 1:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 12:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 12:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:11:46 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:55:11 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 12/24/13, 11:22 AM, wrote:

You don't have to be violent to hate.
People who take that much joy in ridiculing another's beliefs is
hateful.


Well, in that case all the christians who ridicule atheists,
muslims,
jews, gays, hindus, whatever, are hateful. That would include your
buddies here in rec.boats. Yet another reason to find a cure for
religion.

That just reinforces my assertion that atheists are evangelicals of
the belief in nothing.



As I stated earlier, I know only one atheist, and he isn't pushing any
legislative action to force his non-beliefs on anyone, unlike the
christians, who try to use the legislature to force their believes on
everyone.

It is a rare atheist who is not walking around town looking for
something to be offended about at this time of year.



You must know one hell of a lot of atheists to make a comment like that.
I only know one atheist. The last time I was in "mixed company" during
the Christmas holiday season, I was the lone agnostic lined up against a
phalanx of southern christian protestant conservatives at a house party,
who were getting off on a pretty snarly verbal attack on a catholic they
all knew but I didn't. They were attacking his religion and the "fact"
that he wasn't a *real* christian. I thought that was pretty disgusting,
and I got up and left the room, saying "Jesus, the Jew, would be so
proud of how well you are following his teachings."

Gosh, I never got invited back to another of those house parties. My
heart was unbroken.




You certainly keep strange company. Never in my life have I encountered
such a situation and I've been in many, many "mixed company" parties
and/or events.





Try living in NE Florida. They're more plentiful than palmetto bugs.



The Seder was in Jupiter, Fl. Not northeast, but there were a couple of
bible thumpers in attendance who were our neighbors. They also
participated and had respect for the ceremony.

I'll concede that at another time they attempted to encourage Mrs.E. and
I to attend their church services to which I politely declined. It's
what they do. I understood that and they respected my lack of interest.
We occasionally talked religion but it was always on a respectful and
mature level. In fact, after getting to know them pretty well, they
were the reason that, as a joke, I ordered a "deluxe" package on the
internet and became an ordained minister. They both got a kick out of
that and it was received in the light hearted manner in which it was
intended.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/24/2013 11:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:08:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 8:05 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:32:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I've not read the "atheist handbook." Which edition do you recommend?

--

I am not an aficionado.
It is the real religion of hate



Really? Are there tribes of atheists running amok in the middle east,
tossing bombs at buses full of school children, or are the atheists too
busy flying drones into wedding parties? Oh, I know...it's the atheists
shooting abortion doctors.

You don't have to be violent to hate.
People who take that much joy in ridiculing another's beliefs is
hateful.


Well, in that case all the christians who ridicule atheists, muslims,
jews, gays, hindus, whatever, are hateful. That would include your
buddies here in rec.boats. Yet another reason to find a cure for religion.


Could you point me to an example where anyone in rec.boats have ridiculed
any of the above based on religious reasons?

I don't like fundamentalist muslims who believe you either convert or
lose your head. But that doesn't mean I don't like *all* people of the Muslim faith.

I personally have a little trouble with gay marriages. I don't have any
problem with civil unions. But, I don't despise or condemn gays just
because they are gay or because our legal system has decided that gay marriages are ok.

I can't recall anyone else here overtly engaging in ridicule of anyone's
religious beliefs or lifestyles .... well, except one person ... you.

I think the state should just not issue marriage licenses. Issue a civil
contract or some such, and leave the marriage certificate to the church.
Gets the state out of marriage management.

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:55:47 -0600, Califbill wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/24/2013 11:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:08:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 8:05 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:32:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I've not read the "atheist handbook." Which edition do you recommend?

--

I am not an aficionado.
It is the real religion of hate



Really? Are there tribes of atheists running amok in the middle east,
tossing bombs at buses full of school children, or are the atheists too
busy flying drones into wedding parties? Oh, I know...it's the atheists
shooting abortion doctors.

You don't have to be violent to hate.
People who take that much joy in ridiculing another's beliefs is
hateful.


Well, in that case all the christians who ridicule atheists, muslims,
jews, gays, hindus, whatever, are hateful. That would include your
buddies here in rec.boats. Yet another reason to find a cure for religion.


Could you point me to an example where anyone in rec.boats have ridiculed
any of the above based on religious reasons?

I don't like fundamentalist muslims who believe you either convert or
lose your head. But that doesn't mean I don't like *all* people of the Muslim faith.

I personally have a little trouble with gay marriages. I don't have any
problem with civil unions. But, I don't despise or condemn gays just
because they are gay or because our legal system has decided that gay marriages are ok.

I can't recall anyone else here overtly engaging in ridicule of anyone's
religious beliefs or lifestyles .... well, except one person ... you.

I think the state should just not issue marriage licenses. Issue a civil
contract or some such, and leave the marriage certificate to the church.
Gets the state out of marriage management.

Love it.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/24/2013 1:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 11:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:08:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 8:05 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:32:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I've not read the "atheist handbook." Which edition do you recommend?

--

I am not an aficionado.
It is the real religion of hate



Really? Are there tribes of atheists running amok in the middle east,
tossing bombs at buses full of school children, or are the atheists too
busy flying drones into wedding parties? Oh, I know...it's the atheists
shooting abortion doctors.

You don't have to be violent to hate.
People who take that much joy in ridiculing another's beliefs is
hateful.


Well, in that case all the christians who ridicule atheists, muslims,
jews, gays, hindus, whatever, are hateful. That would include your
buddies here in rec.boats. Yet another reason to find a cure for
religion.


Could you point me to an example where anyone in rec.boats have
ridiculed any of the above based on religious reasons?

I don't like fundamentalist muslims who believe you either convert or
lose your head. But that doesn't mean I don't like *all* people of the
Muslim faith.

I personally have a little trouble with gay marriages. I don't have any
problem with civil unions. But, I don't despise or condemn gays just
because they are gay or because our legal system has decided that gay
marriages are ok.

I can't recall anyone else here overtly engaging in ridicule of anyone's
religious beliefs or lifestyles .... well, except one person ... you.



Well, John is having fun mocking gays lately... I deal with a lot of
young folks and personally I find it pretty hateful and offensive...
Mostly because it's deliberate and with obvious malice.

On 12/24/2013 4:26 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/24/2013 1:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 11:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:08:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 8:05 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:32:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

I've not read the "atheist handbook." Which edition do you
recommend?

--

I am not an aficionado.
It is the real religion of hate



Really? Are there tribes of atheists running amok in the middle east,
tossing bombs at buses full of school children, or are the atheists
too
busy flying drones into wedding parties? Oh, I know...it's the
atheists
shooting abortion doctors.

You don't have to be violent to hate.
People who take that much joy in ridiculing another's beliefs is
hateful.


Well, in that case all the christians who ridicule atheists, muslims,
jews, gays, hindus, whatever, are hateful. That would include your
buddies here in rec.boats. Yet another reason to find a cure for
religion.


Could you point me to an example where anyone in rec.boats have
ridiculed any of the above based on religious reasons?

I don't like fundamentalist muslims who believe you either convert or
lose your head. But that doesn't mean I don't like *all* people of the
Muslim faith.

I personally have a little trouble with gay marriages. I don't have any
problem with civil unions. But, I don't despise or condemn gays just
because they are gay or because our legal system has decided that gay
marriages are ok.

I can't recall anyone else here overtly engaging in ridicule of anyone's
religious beliefs or lifestyles .... well, except one person ... you.



Well, John is having fun mocking gays lately... I deal with a lot of
young folks and personally I find it pretty hateful and offensive...
Mostly because it's deliberate and with obvious malice.


I don't know. I confess that I don't read *every* post on this
newsgroup anymore. Many of the discussions have become so ridiculous
and childish that they aren't worth reading.

On 12/24/13, 2:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 1:34 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 1:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/24/2013 12:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 12:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:11:46 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:55:11 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 12/24/13, 11:22 AM, wrote:

You don't have to be violent to hate.
People who take that much joy in ridiculing another's beliefs is
hateful.


Well, in that case all the christians who ridicule atheists,
muslims,
jews, gays, hindus, whatever, are hateful. That would include your
buddies here in rec.boats. Yet another reason to find a cure for
religion.

That just reinforces my assertion that atheists are evangelicals of
the belief in nothing.



As I stated earlier, I know only one atheist, and he isn't pushing
any
legislative action to force his non-beliefs on anyone, unlike the
christians, who try to use the legislature to force their believes on
everyone.

It is a rare atheist who is not walking around town looking for
something to be offended about at this time of year.



You must know one hell of a lot of atheists to make a comment like
that.
I only know one atheist. The last time I was in "mixed company" during
the Christmas holiday season, I was the lone agnostic lined up
against a
phalanx of southern christian protestant conservatives at a house
party,
who were getting off on a pretty snarly verbal attack on a catholic
they
all knew but I didn't. They were attacking his religion and the "fact"
that he wasn't a *real* christian. I thought that was pretty
disgusting,
and I got up and left the room, saying "Jesus, the Jew, would be so
proud of how well you are following his teachings."

Gosh, I never got invited back to another of those house parties. My
heart was unbroken.




You certainly keep strange company. Never in my life have I encountered
such a situation and I've been in many, many "mixed company" parties
and/or events.





Try living in NE Florida. They're more plentiful than palmetto bugs.



The Seder was in Jupiter, Fl. Not northeast, but there were a couple of
bible thumpers in attendance who were our neighbors. They also
participated and had respect for the ceremony.

I'll concede that at another time they attempted to encourage Mrs.E. and
I to attend their church services to which I politely declined. It's
what they do. I understood that and they respected my lack of interest.
We occasionally talked religion but it was always on a respectful and
mature level. In fact, after getting to know them pretty well, they
were the reason that, as a joke, I ordered a "deluxe" package on the
internet and became an ordained minister. They both got a kick out of
that and it was received in the light hearted manner in which it was
intended.


Pastor Luddite. Works for me.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 12/24/13, 3:55 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/24/2013 11:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/24/13, 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 08:08:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/24/13, 8:05 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 06:32:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I've not read the "atheist handbook." Which edition do you recommend?

--

I am not an aficionado.
It is the real religion of hate



Really? Are there tribes of atheists running amok in the middle east,
tossing bombs at buses full of school children, or are the atheists too
busy flying drones into wedding parties? Oh, I know...it's the atheists
shooting abortion doctors.

You don't have to be violent to hate.
People who take that much joy in ridiculing another's beliefs is
hateful.


Well, in that case all the christians who ridicule atheists, muslims,
jews, gays, hindus, whatever, are hateful. That would include your
buddies here in rec.boats. Yet another reason to find a cure for religion.


Could you point me to an example where anyone in rec.boats have ridiculed
any of the above based on religious reasons?

I don't like fundamentalist muslims who believe you either convert or
lose your head. But that doesn't mean I don't like *all* people of the Muslim faith.

I personally have a little trouble with gay marriages. I don't have any
problem with civil unions. But, I don't despise or condemn gays just
because they are gay or because our legal system has decided that gay marriages are ok.

I can't recall anyone else here overtly engaging in ridicule of anyone's
religious beliefs or lifestyles .... well, except one person ... you.

I think the state should just not issue marriage licenses. Issue a civil
contract or some such, and leave the marriage certificate to the church.
Gets the state out of marriage management.


I have no problem with that.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.