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On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:55:14 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 09:17:39 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 19:20:11 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: "Redman" in connection with Native Americans is a derogatory term. You obviously don't know anything about the ancient peoples, medieval history, or 19th and 20th Century history of that part of the Middle East. There were at least two times when Partition, or the creation of two separate nations, was offered to the self-described Palestinians...about 100 years ago and right after World War II. They turned it down both times and in 1948, the Arab nations initiated a war against Israel. The Israelis fought back and the Arabs lost. The question is how many of those "Israelis" lived in Palestine five years before that war? Virtually none of them. They were in Europe. It certainly sounds like an invasion and subjugation of the native population by europeans to me. Just another crusade. The reality is that nobody gave a **** about brown people in those days and they just ignored it. After the fall of the Ottomans in WWI and the withdrawal of the British after WWII, they thought nobody actually owned the land, at least nobody who could fight back. Conquest and subgation is a constant occurence during the history of man. Why is it any worse now than it was 200, 400, 1000, 2000 or 4000 years ago? Within the last 100 years the borders of many countries have been changed, many numerous times. Just take a look at the European continent 100 years ago vs. today. With one glaring exception WWII was the end of conquests. The European powers gave up their colonies and in the intervening years the last vestiges of European (and American) control of their conquests went away. For the US that would include Okinawa, the Philippines, Panama and some say Miami. ....and Los Angeles, and San Francisco - but to a different group. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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In article , says...
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 09:17:39 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 19:20:11 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: "Redman" in connection with Native Americans is a derogatory term. You obviously don't know anything about the ancient peoples, medieval history, or 19th and 20th Century history of that part of the Middle East. There were at least two times when Partition, or the creation of two separate nations, was offered to the self-described Palestinians...about 100 years ago and right after World War II. They turned it down both times and in 1948, the Arab nations initiated a war against Israel. The Israelis fought back and the Arabs lost. The question is how many of those "Israelis" lived in Palestine five years before that war? Virtually none of them. They were in Europe. It certainly sounds like an invasion and subjugation of the native population by europeans to me. Just another crusade. The reality is that nobody gave a **** about brown people in those days and they just ignored it. After the fall of the Ottomans in WWI and the withdrawal of the British after WWII, they thought nobody actually owned the land, at least nobody who could fight back. Conquest and subgation is a constant occurence during the history of man. Why is it any worse now than it was 200, 400, 1000, 2000 or 4000 years ago? Within the last 100 years the borders of many countries have been changed, many numerous times. Just take a look at the European continent 100 years ago vs. today. With one glaring exception WWII was the end of conquests. The European powers gave up their colonies and in the intervening years the last vestiges of European (and American) control of their conquests went away. For the US that would include Okinawa, the Philippines, Panama and some say Miami. You are deluded if your believe that WWII was the end of conquests. |
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On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 15:27:56 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 09:17:39 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 19:20:11 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: "Redman" in connection with Native Americans is a derogatory term. You obviously don't know anything about the ancient peoples, medieval history, or 19th and 20th Century history of that part of the Middle East. There were at least two times when Partition, or the creation of two separate nations, was offered to the self-described Palestinians...about 100 years ago and right after World War II. They turned it down both times and in 1948, the Arab nations initiated a war against Israel. The Israelis fought back and the Arabs lost. The question is how many of those "Israelis" lived in Palestine five years before that war? Virtually none of them. They were in Europe. It certainly sounds like an invasion and subjugation of the native population by europeans to me. Just another crusade. The reality is that nobody gave a **** about brown people in those days and they just ignored it. After the fall of the Ottomans in WWI and the withdrawal of the British after WWII, they thought nobody actually owned the land, at least nobody who could fight back. Conquest and subgation is a constant occurence during the history of man. Why is it any worse now than it was 200, 400, 1000, 2000 or 4000 years ago? Within the last 100 years the borders of many countries have been changed, many numerous times. Just take a look at the European continent 100 years ago vs. today. With one glaring exception WWII was the end of conquests. The European powers gave up their colonies and in the intervening years the last vestiges of European (and American) control of their conquests went away. For the US that would include Okinawa, the Philippines, Panama and some say Miami. You are deluded if your believe that WWII was the end of conquests. It was the end of European conquests. Europe is just a small part of the world. |
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