On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:48:30 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:


Harry, you strive hard to pull the chains of conservatives, but simply display an arrogant stupidity

in doing so.



The Pope is attempting to get 'countries' to change their attitudes toward the poor - the 'real'

poor. *This* is poor, Harry: http://tinyurl.com/kq3jes6 or http://tinyurl.com/l7t77xd or

http://tinyurl.com/ku8sbul or http://tinyurl.com/mkwmz8q or a whole set:



http://tinyurl.com/mh3y48t



*Those* are the poor. How many of those are getting food stamps, welfare checks, free health care,

cell phones, etc.?





John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:48:30 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 20:41:52 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



...the Pope is ****ing off conservative christians:



�Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that

economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in

bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This

opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude

and na�ve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in

the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile,

the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes

others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization

of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end

up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor,

weeping for other people�s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as

though all this were someone else�s responsibility and not our own. The

culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers

us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives

stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move

us.�

~Pope Francis, attacking trickle-down economics, Evangelii Gaudium,

November 2013



Harry, you strive hard to pull the chains of conservatives, but simply display an arrogant stupidity

in doing so.



The Pope is attempting to get 'countries' to change their attitudes toward the poor - the 'real'

poor. *This* is poor, Harry: http://tinyurl.com/kq3jes6 or http://tinyurl..com/l7t77xd or

http://tinyurl.com/ku8sbul or http://tinyurl.com/mkwmz8q or a whole set:



http://tinyurl.com/mh3y48t



*Those* are the poor. How many of those are getting food stamps, welfare checks, free health care,

cell phones, etc.?





John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

John those pics are disturbing indeed. Compared to those mis-fortunate souls, our countries 'poor' are wealthy! Some people can't understand that.But the same that can't understand the rationality are thee ones who gripe and don't lift a finger to help those in need.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:11:13 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/12/13, 11:44 AM, True North wrote:

On Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:48:30 UTC-4, John H. wrote:



snip...



*Those* are the poor. How many of those are getting food stamps, welfare checks, free health care,



cell phones, etc.?



snip...



John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day!





Y'all give free cellphones to the poor??

Very generous of you, Johnny Mop.





Like so many conservatives who really don't give a ****, Herring and a

few others here think "poor" people only live in countries other than

the United States. It's ok with them if little kids in the United States

have to live in crowded shelters. After all, they say, it's better than having to live in a
cardboard box.

Oh it is! But then again, maybe they should move in with you so they could experience what they've been missing. Have you invited to your place yet?



When the Pope calls out for a kinder,
gentler society, they think he is excluding the United States,


Really? And which 'society' is that?

or that
they have no need to pay attention because, after all, they aren't

"papists."


So, YOU pay attention to the Pope because you ARE a "Papist?"



We really need to find a cure for "religion."


You'd think so, probably because it bothers you. Robert Owen, Karl Marx and Lenin, and Chairman Mao, thought the same thing of course, to enhance 'societies' utopia.

They tried it and it didn't work.

On 12/12/13, 5:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 11:44 AM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:48:30 UTC-4, John H. wrote:

snip...

*Those* are the poor. How many of those are getting food stamps,
welfare checks, free health care,

cell phones, etc.?

snip...

John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day!


Y'all give free cellphones to the poor??
Very generous of you, Johnny Mop.


Like so many conservatives who really don't give a ****, Herring and a
few others here think "poor" people only live in countries other than the
United States. It's ok with them if little kids in the United States have
to live in crowded shelters. After all, they say, it's better than having
to live in a cardboard box. When the Pope calls out for a kinder, gentler
society, they think he is excluding the United States, or that they have
no need to pay attention because, after all, they aren't "papists."

We really need to find a cure for "religion."




How come those kids living in shelters and on welfare have parents that
dropped out of school, to lazy to get up in the morning and go compete with
an illegal that seems to be able to get a job, etc. maybe we ought to take
care of the kid, and cut the nuts off the dad, and tie the tubes of the
women after a couple kids while on welfare and unmarried. Would probably
do more for society than the War on Poverty that has been going since LBJ,
cost more than Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan together, and we have lost
the WOP. What is your cure for poverty? And I see churches doing a lot
more for the poor, than any group of atheists!



Congrats, Bilious, on yet another wonderful right-wing rant, this time
one that ignores the plight of the kids so you can go after their
parents. How very conservatrasher of you. After all, the kids created
their problem by being born, right?





No, we created the problem by making it easy to have a lot of kids and not
care for them! And you reading comprehension still sucks. I pointed out
early on, we need to take care of the kids. But remove the problem parents
from becoming parents over and over.



By what means, Bilious? Involuntary sterilization, like the Germans did
to the Jews and the Gypsies in the late 1930s and 1940s? I don't think
that will go over big here.

Perhaps a better approach might be to destigmatize sexuality, and start
teaching about "the birds and the bees" in our public schools starting
in, say, the 4th grade and continuing through high school, and also, to
sexually active kids and adults, making condoms and other forms of birth
control readily available at little or no charge. It's significantly
less expensive to give a young couple a pack of condoms or a packet of
pills than it is to support yet another baby. And of course, the morning
after pill and abortion on demand will also help keep down the numbers
of unsupported kids.



--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 12/12/2013 6:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/12/13, 5:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 11:44 AM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:48:30 UTC-4, John H. wrote:

snip...

*Those* are the poor. How many of those are getting food stamps,
welfare checks, free health care,

cell phones, etc.?

snip...

John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day!


Y'all give free cellphones to the poor??
Very generous of you, Johnny Mop.


Like so many conservatives who really don't give a ****, Herring and a
few others here think "poor" people only live in countries other
than the
United States. It's ok with them if little kids in the United
States have
to live in crowded shelters. After all, they say, it's better than
having
to live in a cardboard box. When the Pope calls out for a kinder,
gentler
society, they think he is excluding the United States, or that they
have
no need to pay attention because, after all, they aren't "papists."

We really need to find a cure for "religion."




How come those kids living in shelters and on welfare have parents that
dropped out of school, to lazy to get up in the morning and go
compete with
an illegal that seems to be able to get a job, etc. maybe we ought
to take
care of the kid, and cut the nuts off the dad, and tie the tubes of the
women after a couple kids while on welfare and unmarried. Would
probably
do more for society than the War on Poverty that has been going
since LBJ,
cost more than Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan together, and we have
lost
the WOP. What is your cure for poverty? And I see churches doing a
lot
more for the poor, than any group of atheists!



Congrats, Bilious, on yet another wonderful right-wing rant, this time
one that ignores the plight of the kids so you can go after their
parents. How very conservatrasher of you. After all, the kids created
their problem by being born, right?





No, we created the problem by making it easy to have a lot of kids and
not
care for them! And you reading comprehension still sucks. I pointed out
early on, we need to take care of the kids. But remove the problem
parents
from becoming parents over and over.



By what means, Bilious? Involuntary sterilization, like the Germans did
to the Jews and the Gypsies in the late 1930s and 1940s? I don't think
that will go over big here.

Perhaps a better approach might be to destigmatize sexuality, and start
teaching about "the birds and the bees" in our public schools starting
in, say, the 4th grade and continuing through high school, and also, to
sexually active kids and adults, making condoms and other forms of birth
control readily available at little or no charge. It's significantly
less expensive to give a young couple a pack of condoms or a packet of
pills than it is to support yet another baby. And of course, the morning
after pill and abortion on demand will also help keep down the numbers
of unsupported kids.



Tour thoughts are characteristic of what's wrong with this country.

--
Americans deserve better.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 5:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 11:44 AM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:48:30 UTC-4, John H. wrote:

snip...

*Those* are the poor. How many of those are getting food stamps,
welfare checks, free health care,

cell phones, etc.?

snip...

John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day!


Y'all give free cellphones to the poor??
Very generous of you, Johnny Mop.


Like so many conservatives who really don't give a ****, Herring and a
few others here think "poor" people only live in countries other than the
United States. It's ok with them if little kids in the United States have
to live in crowded shelters. After all, they say, it's better than having
to live in a cardboard box. When the Pope calls out for a kinder, gentler
society, they think he is excluding the United States, or that they have
no need to pay attention because, after all, they aren't "papists."

We really need to find a cure for "religion."




How come those kids living in shelters and on welfare have parents that
dropped out of school, to lazy to get up in the morning and go compete with
an illegal that seems to be able to get a job, etc. maybe we ought to take
care of the kid, and cut the nuts off the dad, and tie the tubes of the
women after a couple kids while on welfare and unmarried. Would probably
do more for society than the War on Poverty that has been going since LBJ,
cost more than Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan together, and we have lost
the WOP. What is your cure for poverty? And I see churches doing a lot
more for the poor, than any group of atheists!



Congrats, Bilious, on yet another wonderful right-wing rant, this time
one that ignores the plight of the kids so you can go after their
parents. How very conservatrasher of you. After all, the kids created
their problem by being born, right?





No, we created the problem by making it easy to have a lot of kids and not
care for them! And you reading comprehension still sucks. I pointed out
early on, we need to take care of the kids. But remove the problem parents
from becoming parents over and over.



By what means, Bilious? Involuntary sterilization, like the Germans did
to the Jews and the Gypsies in the late 1930s and 1940s? I don't think
that will go over big here.

Perhaps a better approach might be to destigmatize sexuality, and start
teaching about "the birds and the bees" in our public schools starting
in, say, the 4th grade and continuing through high school, and also, to
sexually active kids and adults, making condoms and other forms of birth
control readily available at little or no charge. It's significantly less
expensive to give a young couple a pack of condoms or a packet of pills
than it is to support yet another baby. And of course, the morning after
pill and abortion on demand will also help keep down the numbers of unsupported kids.




We start teaching sex in schools earlier now than we did in your on my
youth. How has that worked out? Condoms, Norplant, pills are all
available a,lot cheaper and easier than most of the items those 'poor'
acquire. Just one pair of those fancy sneakers would pay for a couple
years birth control even if they had to pay for it. But since those same
poor are on Medicaid, what is their excuse for getting pregnant? Where is
society holding those 'parents' responsible for the child? Maybe we honor
those deadbeats too much!
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/22...t-reality-show
He should have the option of getting snipped, or going to jail for stealing
from society. Society is having to put up the money for his pecker use, so
he is stealing from society. But, you who brags of having sexual relations
as a very young male, are probably jealous of those deadbeats.

On 12/12/13, 6:19 PM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:11:13 AM UTC-6, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/12/13, 11:44 AM, True North wrote:

On Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:48:30 UTC-4, John H. wrote:



snip...



*Those* are the poor. How many of those are getting food stamps, welfare checks, free health care,



cell phones, etc.?



snip...



John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day!





Y'all give free cellphones to the poor??

Very generous of you, Johnny Mop.





Like so many conservatives who really don't give a ****, Herring and a

few others here think "poor" people only live in countries other than

the United States. It's ok with them if little kids in the United States

have to live in crowded shelters. After all, they say, it's better than having to live in a
cardboard box.

Oh it is! But then again, maybe they should move in with you so they could experience what they've been missing. Have you invited to your place yet?



When the Pope calls out for a kinder,
gentler society, they think he is excluding the United States,


Really? And which 'society' is that?

or that
they have no need to pay attention because, after all, they aren't

"papists."


So, YOU pay attention to the Pope because you ARE a "Papist?"



We really need to find a cure for "religion."


You'd think so, probably because it bothers you. Robert Owen, Karl Marx and Lenin, and Chairman Mao, thought the same thing of course, to enhance 'societies' utopia.

They tried it and it didn't work.



I pay attention to the Pope because he is the spiritual leader of a hell
of a lot of people and what he says and does has significant impact on
the world. I am not and never have been a Roman Catholic, but I do
understand and appreciate the influence of that church, whether I agree
with what it posits...or not. There are many areas in which I believe
the Catholic Church has had and continues to have a positive influence,
and there are some in which I think it has and continues to have a
negative influence. I admire much of what the current Pope is doing and
saying to improve the plight of the poor and those who have been the
recipients of wrath from some of those self-described Christians who are
part of the Protestant sects.

Religion only "bothers" me when it attempts to push its beliefs and
rules onto others who believe differently.


--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 12/12/13, 6:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 5:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 11:44 AM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:48:30 UTC-4, John H. wrote:

snip...

*Those* are the poor. How many of those are getting food stamps,
welfare checks, free health care,

cell phones, etc.?

snip...

John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day!


Y'all give free cellphones to the poor??
Very generous of you, Johnny Mop.


Like so many conservatives who really don't give a ****, Herring and a
few others here think "poor" people only live in countries other than the
United States. It's ok with them if little kids in the United States have
to live in crowded shelters. After all, they say, it's better than having
to live in a cardboard box. When the Pope calls out for a kinder, gentler
society, they think he is excluding the United States, or that they have
no need to pay attention because, after all, they aren't "papists."

We really need to find a cure for "religion."




How come those kids living in shelters and on welfare have parents that
dropped out of school, to lazy to get up in the morning and go compete with
an illegal that seems to be able to get a job, etc. maybe we ought to take
care of the kid, and cut the nuts off the dad, and tie the tubes of the
women after a couple kids while on welfare and unmarried. Would probably
do more for society than the War on Poverty that has been going since LBJ,
cost more than Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan together, and we have lost
the WOP. What is your cure for poverty? And I see churches doing a lot
more for the poor, than any group of atheists!



Congrats, Bilious, on yet another wonderful right-wing rant, this time
one that ignores the plight of the kids so you can go after their
parents. How very conservatrasher of you. After all, the kids created
their problem by being born, right?





No, we created the problem by making it easy to have a lot of kids and not
care for them! And you reading comprehension still sucks. I pointed out
early on, we need to take care of the kids. But remove the problem parents
from becoming parents over and over.



By what means, Bilious? Involuntary sterilization, like the Germans did
to the Jews and the Gypsies in the late 1930s and 1940s? I don't think
that will go over big here.

Perhaps a better approach might be to destigmatize sexuality, and start
teaching about "the birds and the bees" in our public schools starting
in, say, the 4th grade and continuing through high school, and also, to
sexually active kids and adults, making condoms and other forms of birth
control readily available at little or no charge. It's significantly less
expensive to give a young couple a pack of condoms or a packet of pills
than it is to support yet another baby. And of course, the morning after
pill and abortion on demand will also help keep down the numbers of unsupported kids.




We start teaching sex in schools earlier now than we did in your on my
youth. How has that worked out? Condoms, Norplant, pills are all
available a,lot cheaper and easier than most of the items those 'poor'
acquire. Just one pair of those fancy sneakers would pay for a couple
years birth control even if they had to pay for it. But since those same
poor are on Medicaid, what is their excuse for getting pregnant? Where is
society holding those 'parents' responsible for the child? Maybe we honor
those deadbeats too much!
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/22...t-reality-show
He should have the option of getting snipped, or going to jail for stealing
from society. Society is having to put up the money for his pecker use, so
he is stealing from society. But, you who brags of having sexual relations
as a very young male, are probably jealous of those deadbeats.


Again, Bilious, I think you are drowning in your right-wingedness.

I was lucky enough to enjoy sexual intercourse at a young age, and smart
enough to know how to prevent my swimmers from fertilizing a girl's
eggs. Your comment about jealousy is just another example of your
ignorance.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 12/12/2013 6:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/12/13, 5:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 1:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/12/13, 11:44 AM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 12 December 2013 10:48:30 UTC-4, John H. wrote:

snip...

*Those* are the poor. How many of those are getting food stamps,
welfare checks, free health care,

cell phones, etc.?

snip...

John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day!


Y'all give free cellphones to the poor??
Very generous of you, Johnny Mop.


Like so many conservatives who really don't give a ****, Herring and a
few others here think "poor" people only live in countries other
than the
United States. It's ok with them if little kids in the United
States have
to live in crowded shelters. After all, they say, it's better than
having
to live in a cardboard box. When the Pope calls out for a kinder,
gentler
society, they think he is excluding the United States, or that they
have
no need to pay attention because, after all, they aren't "papists."

We really need to find a cure for "religion."




How come those kids living in shelters and on welfare have parents that
dropped out of school, to lazy to get up in the morning and go
compete with
an illegal that seems to be able to get a job, etc. maybe we ought
to take
care of the kid, and cut the nuts off the dad, and tie the tubes of the
women after a couple kids while on welfare and unmarried. Would
probably
do more for society than the War on Poverty that has been going
since LBJ,
cost more than Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan together, and we have
lost
the WOP. What is your cure for poverty? And I see churches doing a
lot
more for the poor, than any group of atheists!



Congrats, Bilious, on yet another wonderful right-wing rant, this time
one that ignores the plight of the kids so you can go after their
parents. How very conservatrasher of you. After all, the kids created
their problem by being born, right?





No, we created the problem by making it easy to have a lot of kids and
not
care for them! And you reading comprehension still sucks. I pointed out
early on, we need to take care of the kids. But remove the problem
parents
from becoming parents over and over.



By what means, Bilious? Involuntary sterilization, like the Germans did
to the Jews and the Gypsies in the late 1930s and 1940s? I don't think
that will go over big here.

Perhaps a better approach might be to destigmatize sexuality, and start
teaching about "the birds and the bees" in our public schools starting
in, say, the 4th grade and continuing through high school, and also, to
sexually active kids and adults, making condoms and other forms of birth
control readily available at little or no charge. It's significantly
less expensive to give a young couple a pack of condoms or a packet of
pills than it is to support yet another baby. And of course, the morning
after pill and abortion on demand will also help keep down the numbers
of unsupported kids.





I don't think sex education is what Bill is talking about.

States that have traditional welfare payment policies base the amount of
welfare received on the number of children in the household. There's a
financial *incentive* to have more kids in many cases.

About 23 states have implemented "welfare caps" whereby someone
currently receiving welfare benefits for one or more kids will *not*
receive additional amounts for having another one. Welfare caps remove
the financial incentive to have more babies.

These are not young, inexperienced people who need sex education, access
to birth control or morning after pills. They know exactly what they
are doing including knowing where babies and welfare checks come from.

On 12/12/2013 6:52 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

On 12/12/13, 6:41 PM, Califbill wrote:



We start teaching sex in schools earlier now than we did in your on my
youth. How has that worked out? Condoms, Norplant, pills are all
available a,lot cheaper and easier than most of the items those 'poor'
acquire. Just one pair of those fancy sneakers would pay for a couple
years birth control even if they had to pay for it. But since those same
poor are on Medicaid, what is their excuse for getting pregnant? Where is
society holding those 'parents' responsible for the child? Maybe we
honor
those deadbeats too much!
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/22...t-reality-show

He should have the option of getting snipped, or going to jail for
stealing
from society. Society is having to put up the money for his pecker
use, so
he is stealing from society. But, you who brags of having sexual
relations
as a very young male, are probably jealous of those deadbeats.


Again, Bilious, I think you are drowning in your right-wingedness.

I was lucky enough to enjoy sexual intercourse at a young age, and smart
enough to know how to prevent my swimmers from fertilizing a girl's
eggs. Your comment about jealousy is just another example of your
ignorance.


Harry, much of the problem we have is that many welfare recipients are
not interested in *preventing* pregnancies. They are trying hard to
generate them.