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On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:
On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. |
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On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". |
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On 12/3/13, 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". I was being only half sarcastic here. Washington, D.C., is "ripe" with retired bird colonels, a few of whom I know and have worked with over the years. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:32:19 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Hi Squirt! Remember saying this a couple days ago, "Maybe you'll follow my lead, Johnny and drop "the name calling and childish insults". I responded with, "You got it. No more name calling and childish insults. Agreed? Both of us, right? And you learn how to spell...right?" And you responded with - nothing. So, are you ready to 'lead' again? You're the one that said it. I'm ready to jump on the wagon with you - no more name calling and childish insults (caustic and derogatory comments included). Ready to go? Just say the word. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:15:07 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't as 'devoted' to the Army as I could have been. I did have a lot of fun while a soldier though! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:18:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". Harry has to fit his mold. I commented on his post, but only on the pertinent part. I expect the Army was just as concerned with racism as the Navy. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/3/2013 10:24 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". I was being only half sarcastic here. Washington, D.C., is "ripe" with retired bird colonels, a few of whom I know and have worked with over the years. Nope! You were full blown hatefully sarcastic. -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/3/2013 10:54 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:18:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". Harry has to fit his mold. I commented on his post, but only on the pertinent part. I expect the Army was just as concerned with racism as the Navy. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! I thought racist allegations was last year's liberal schtick. -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/3/2013 10:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:15:07 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't as 'devoted' to the Army as I could have been. I did have a lot of fun while a soldier though! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! All work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy. ;-) -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/3/2013 10:39 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:32:19 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Hi Squirt! Remember saying this a couple days ago, "Maybe you'll follow my lead, Johnny and drop "the name calling and childish insults". I responded with, "You got it. No more name calling and childish insults. Agreed? Both of us, right? And you learn how to spell...right?" And you responded with - nothing. So, are you ready to 'lead' again? You're the one that said it. I'm ready to jump on the wagon with you - no more name calling and childish insults (caustic and derogatory comments included). Ready to go? Just say the word. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Be mindfull of Donnie waving the brown finger. It has the essence of Harry on it. ;-) -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/3/2013 1:00 PM, Hank© wrote:
Be mindfull of Donnie waving the brown finger. It has the essence of Harry on it. ;-) ROTFLMAO!!! That is a classic!!! |
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On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. |
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On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left. -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left. There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a commission in the Navy. |
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On 12/3/13, 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left. There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a commission in the Navy. More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine shoes and march in them. :) -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 12/3/2013 4:14 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left. There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a commission in the Navy. More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine shoes and march in them. :) Not quite. Little "marching" is done in the Navy. The ETs aboard ship pretty much had it made and called their own shots most of the time. Usually nobody, including the CO and XO knew what the heck they did or how they did it. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/3/13, 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left. There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a commission in the Navy. More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine shoes and march in them. :) They had actually worked for a living, and knew how to not abuse the workers. Plus they had a better knowledge of how to fix electronic. |
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:51:55 -0500, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:49 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:15:07 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't as 'devoted' to the Army as I could have been. I did have a lot of fun while a soldier though! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! All work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy. ;-) During my last year in Germany, I put over 20,000 miles on my motorcycle attending Moto Guzzi rallies all over Europe! During the summer I was taking leave almost every Friday so I could get an early start to a rally somewhere. The furthest trip was to Stockholm, from Stuttgart. Lots of fun. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:00:12 -0500, Hank© wrote:
On 12/3/2013 10:39 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:32:19 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 09:05:59 UTC-4, John H. wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:32:06 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: On Monday, 2 December 2013 20:18:09 UTC-4, Califbill wrote: True North wrote: Isn't it nice that Uncle Sam keeps you in the lap of luxury with taxpayer dollars. Isn't it nice the taxpayers keep you in luxury? No one keeps me in luxury..I worked for a living. Good Morning, lil' Squirt!! What did you do for your government? In what type 'work' were you engaged? I'll bet your job was to be as caustic and derogatory as possible. How're those gonads coming? You've not displayed any by answering questions on the topics you brought up. Honestly, sitting in your little house talking down to others who are hundreds of miles away is not 'courageous'. Bye, Squirt. John H. -- Hope you're NOT having a great day! You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Hi Squirt! Remember saying this a couple days ago, "Maybe you'll follow my lead, Johnny and drop "the name calling and childish insults". I responded with, "You got it. No more name calling and childish insults. Agreed? Both of us, right? And you learn how to spell...right?" And you responded with - nothing. So, are you ready to 'lead' again? You're the one that said it. I'm ready to jump on the wagon with you - no more name calling and childish insults (caustic and derogatory comments included). Ready to go? Just say the word. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Be mindfull of Donnie waving the brown finger. It has the essence of Harry on it. ;-) You sure you don't mean his ears? John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-) I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education. |
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On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-) I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education. Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a loader driver, and in a factory. My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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On 12/3/2013 8:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-) I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education. Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a loader driver, and in a factory. My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed. Not trying to avoid the question but you would never understand the answer. It's not worth the effort. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/3/2013 8:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-) I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education. Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a loader driver, and in a factory. My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed. Not trying to avoid the question but you would never understand the answer. It's not worth the effort. The military? Ha! |
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On 12/3/2013 8:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote: Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-) I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education. Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a loader driver, and in a factory. My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed. You may not understand ... in fact I am sure you don't ... what I am referring to. I know many Vets. Not as many as non-vets, but still a fairly significant number. Without exception, not a *single one* considers their time in military service as being a "waste of time". This is especially true the older you get and the more distant the military service time becomes. You begin to realize how the military service experience assisted and benefited you in pursuit of civilian goals in ways that are not obvious or can be graded. Some of the Vets I know are (or were) blue-collar work-a-bees in their civilian careers. Some were tradesmen. Many were college educated engineers. Some were business majors. Two are teachers. One is a lawyer. At least one I knew had two PhD's and would make you and I seem to be dunces in terms of intelligence. So, obviously, you missed something in your education. You've obviously done well but you really are not qualified to determine that military service is a "waste of time". |
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On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 19:52:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-) I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education. I took Accounting 1at night in Vietnam. I was able to make two of the ten or so classes. The instructor let me take the final exam, which I somehow passed. Those were the fun days! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 12/3/2013 4:14 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 2:17 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. That sounds about right. My division officer was a mustang Lt. He made Lt.Cdr. and was immediately transferred. He was well liked and respected by his peers and the enlisted. Things went south after he left. There were many Navy LDOs in the electronics fields mainly because the enlisted ET schools that they graduated from were so good. For purposes of the Navy they made better division officers than a university grad with a electronics related degree who then joined and received a commission in the Navy. More malleable, less likely to question authority, know how to spitshine shoes and march in them. :) Funny, coming from a union drone. -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/4/2013 7:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Most of the upper level courses I got to take - the "300" and "400" classes were more contemplative and thought-provoking. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. How do you grade crap like that? -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/4/2013 10:04 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Most of the upper level courses I got to take - the "300" and "400" classes were more contemplative and thought-provoking. I had friends who were studying to become electrical engineers and architects and suchlike, and you hardly saw them from one semester to another, the grind level was so severe for them. See Greg...I told you! John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! True confessions from the head jerk of rec.boats. Snerk -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! In comparison to the fluff schools Harry went to you did much better. Yoy actually learned something valuable whereas Harry learned to contemplate stuff. -- Americans deserve better. |
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On 12/4/2013 10:36 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 12/4/2013 7:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: Most of the upper level courses I got to take - the "300" and "400" classes were more contemplative and thought-provoking. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. How do you grade crap like that? On a curve:) -- On 12/3/2013 1:00 PM, Hank© wrote: Be mindfull of Donnie waving the brown finger. It has the essence of Harry on it. ;-) |
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On 12/3/2013 8:02 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/3/13, 7:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 4:31 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 13:49:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2013 12:45 PM, Hank© wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2013 10:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 12/3/13, 9:32 AM, True North wrote: You are an amusing old fart, Johnny. You are the self assigned leader of talking down to others. I'd bet it was due to your Lt Colonel rank in the army. You still expect everyone to salute you. Well, I will.. but only with one finger. Half the lieutenant colonels in the Army who stayed in got promoted to full colonel. Herring stayed in but got passed over for promotion, probably for insulting one too many "soldier of color." Doubtful. I don't know about the Army but in the Navy any demonstration of overt racism would be cause for immediate dismissal from the service, at least in the years I was "in". You know why Harry is so ignorant of military policy, don't you? My understanding is that John was an Army equivalent of a "Mustanger" meaning he was enlisted, continued school, went to OCS and was commissioned. That could have occurred well into his military career. I don't know. I know that the Navy had several programs whereby an enlisted person could continue school leading to a commission. Often they became "Limited Duty Officers" or "LDOs". An LDO was a specialist in a particular field like electronics or whatever and was not a "Line" officer meaning they were not eligible for command. Most LDOs in the Navy never advanced beyond the rank of Lt. Commander. I was drafted with a high school education. Became an artilleryman. After about a year I applied for and went to OCS - still with a high school education. During the Vietnam era, a college degree wasn't required for OCS. After Vietnam, the Army sent me to college, with the proviso that my degree be 'engineer or engineer related' and that I finish the 84 hours I needed within 21 months. And, I had to find a school which would state that it accepted the hours I had and could complete the program leading to the degree in the time allotted. (Later, the Army paid for an MS at USC. VA picked up the tab for 'almost' another MS at GWU.) The University of Tampa accepted all I had, 30 hours of which was from the College Level Examination Program (CLEP). The rest was night courses. I graduated. The Army then wanted me to get a secondary specialty in operations research/systems analysis (ORSA). This was, partially, to 'utilize' the education provided by the Army. So, I got my first OR/SA job at the Army Concepts Analysis Agency. After some more schooling, I went to Korea, to the Combined Forces Command OR/SA Branch, followed by four years at the Army Personnel Center as the Chief, Programs Management Branch, another OR/SA job. Remember, I was trained to be a Combat Engineer, and wore the castles. But, there were no slots for OR/SA guys in Engineer Battalions, no one wanted a Battalion Commander who'd never been a battalion operations or executive officer, and without a battalion command, one did not make O-6 as an Engineer. As a major, I missed the engineer battalion positions completely. It would be like giving a Navy Commander the command of a ship when he had not been near ship since he was a junior lieutenant. And, obviously, one doesn't make it to Captain in the navy ship arena without having some command time somewhere. Once I made LTC, I knew I would never be promoted to full colonel. There was no way for that to occur. So, I made the best of the situation, did my job, and enjoyed my time. I did not 'sacrifice' myself for my career. There, now everyone knows why I didn't make full Colonel. The Army was good to me. I hold no grudges. A court action found that my last selection board discriminated against a class of us, and we received a settlement in excess of $64,000. Please pass this on to Harry. He can gloat about his much better education, etc. John H. -- Hope you're having a great day! Good going. I share a certain comradeship with those who achieved their education "the hard way". I know what years of night school and scrounging around for every credit you can get is like. :-) I think Harry missed out in some aspects of his education. Really? I worked all sorts of jobs during the college year. In the summers before my junior year, I worked as an apprentice welder, a loader driver, and in a factory. My junior year, I was hired as a full time reporter for a major newspaper...I went to school days and worked five nights a week. Other than wasting time in the military, what do you think I missed. Social skills for one. -- Americans deserve better. |
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